wow dect collection agency's are ruthless.

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nageov3t

Lifer
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for every legit case like your friends, there are probably a dozen selling the same story as a lie to get out of paying their bills... so I tend to give collection agencies a little leniency on being assholes.

sounds like a crazy situation, though. I hope you're able to get it resolved. :thumbsup:
 

Lalakai

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related to this, many people are being contacted by collection agencies regarding debts from years ago. The agencies get these old "debts" pennies on the dollar then start collecting. Laws vary from state to state but it's very common that if you do not dispute their claim, they can procede with trying to collect. In Michigan there is a time period where the debt can be disputed and then it is up to the agency to verify that it is a valid debt, at which time they drop it rather then try to produce legal documentation. But the individual's response has to be in writing, requesting the verification. If the agency contacts the person, the debt isn't disputed, then it becomes active again, at which point the individual has to provide documentation that the bill was paid or settled. Some of these "debts" can be years old making it difficult to provide documentation, which is what the collection agencies hope for. So don't just throw those letters out; read them and make sure you act within the specified time frame.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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related to this, many people are being contacted by collection agencies regarding debts from years ago. The agencies get these old "debts" pennies on the dollar then start collecting. Laws vary from state to state but it's very common that if you do not dispute their claim, they can procede with trying to collect. In Michigan there is a time period where the debt can be disputed and then it is up to the agency to verify that it is a valid debt, at which time they drop it rather then try to produce legal documentation. But the individual's response has to be in writing, requesting the verification. If the agency contacts the person, the debt isn't disputed, then it becomes active again, at which point the individual has to provide documentation that the bill was paid or settled. Some of these "debts" can be years old making it difficult to provide documentation, which is what the collection agencies hope for. So don't just throw those letters out; read them and make sure you act within the specified time frame.

Correct. Called statute of limitations. There are several. First is reporting, second is collecting. For collecting, most states are between 4-7 years. You are supposed to get an initial letter from the JDB (junk debt buyer) at which point you send a letter back basically saying this debt is beyond statute of militations, therefore you cant pursue legal action against me. Also include a cease and desist so they cannot contact you any more lest they violate the FDCPA.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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at least t here is some good info on stuff.


shit like this is why i pay stuff off in cash when i can.
 

nanette1985

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Congrats for going to bat for this guy. Is his pay SSDI or SSI - unlike SSDI SSI can't be garnished. From your description it's possible his income is SSI as it is based on income and assets.

Best to you. Yup, it's stressing. Try doing this while you're disabled. Yes, it helps if you pay your bills. But collection agencies can still make mistakes. Keep good records!
 

waggy

No Lifer
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Congrats for going to bat for this guy. Is his pay SSDI or SSI - unlike SSDI SSI can't be garnished. From your description it's possible his income is SSI as it is based on income and assets.

Best to you. Yup, it's stressing. Try doing this while you're disabled. Yes, it helps if you pay your bills. But collection agencies can still make mistakes. Keep good records!

It's SSDI. no he does not get SSI he was refused for some fucked up reason. i have tried to talking him into re-trying to gt it. he won't try again.
 

james1701

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Sorry, yes 1099-C.

If they were discharged, and they wrote it off, they should have issued one of those.
 

Squisher

Lifer
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It's SSDI. no he does not get SSI he was refused for some fucked up reason. i have tried to talking him into re-trying to gt it. he won't try again.

Everyone gets turned down for SSI, it is at this time you get a lawyer. Lawyer will work for 1/3 of the lump sum payment your friend will get, retroactive to when the disability occurred minus 5 months IIRC, when he wins the case. Nothing out of pocket.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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Everyone gets turned down for SSI, it is at this time you get a lawyer. Lawyer will work for 1/3 of the lump sum payment your friend will get, retroactive to when the disability occurred minus 5 months IIRC, when he wins the case. Nothing out of pocket.

heh everyone gets turned down for SSDI too.

i have tried to get him to go for SSI. he doesn't want to. i think after the fight to get SSDI he was burned out. took him 2-3 years to get it.
 

Texashiker

Lifer
Dec 18, 2010
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he just called and said a Collection Agency is garnishing his pay! he makes $860 or so and said he will get like $750 after it.

How is a debt collection agency garnishing wages without due process of law?

It seems to me that we have a right to life, liberty and protection of property under the law. Taking something without due process is stealing.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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How is a debt collection agency garnishing wages without due process of law?

i been trying to figure that out myself. I contacted department of ed. and they put off everything.

I still haven't been able to get a hold of anyone that will actually talk to me from the credit agency.

so far i can't get any information on that and i'm more concerned with getting it straight then going after the agency.
 

Texashiker

Lifer
Dec 18, 2010
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i been trying to figure that out myself. I contacted department of ed. and they put off everything.

Sounds like social security is giving the debt collection agencies free reign to make their own rules.
 

nanette1985

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heh everyone gets turned down for SSDI too.

i have tried to get him to go for SSI. he doesn't want to. i think after the fight to get SSDI he was burned out. took him 2-3 years to get it.

FWIW, I got approved for SSDI and SSI both - but this being NJ, I actually get $7/month in SSI. So he might not be missing out much - not worth the stress.

Good luck with everything - did you try creditboards? They can be helpful for odd things like this.
 

mike2fix

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Feb 1, 2001
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Ruthless, no way, below from an article about them:

Threatening to dig up dead bodies: Another collection agency, Rumson, Bolling & Associates, was fined more than $700,000 last month for taking harassment to a whole new level. One of the worst offenses listed in the FTC's lawsuit: collectors allegedly threatened to dig up the bodies of debtors' deceased children and hang them from a tree or drop them outside their door if they failed to pay their funeral bills. The defendant's attorney, Christopher Pitet, said the company's owners did their best to ensure collectors complied with the law -- so if any wrongdoing was done, it was done by employees and was against company policy.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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Ruthless, no way, below from an article about them:

Threatening to dig up dead bodies: Another collection agency, Rumson, Bolling & Associates, was fined more than $700,000 last month for taking harassment to a whole new level. One of the worst offenses listed in the FTC's lawsuit: collectors allegedly threatened to dig up the bodies of debtors' deceased children and hang them from a tree or drop them outside their door if they failed to pay their funeral bills. The defendant's attorney, Christopher Pitet, said the company's owners did their best to ensure collectors complied with the law -- so if any wrongdoing was done, it was done by employees and was against company policy.

I just read that this morning (err maybe last night). i was shocked.

dig up the bodies. who the fuck thinks of something like that. wow
 
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I just read that this morning (err maybe last night). i was shocked.

dig up the bodies. who the fuck thinks of something like that. wow

A former loan shark trying to go straight? "Yeah, I got experience with debt collection. You want I should dig up his kids or what?"
 

Ashenor

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He was a normal deadbeat that ignored his bills prior to be disabled. Now there is a demand being made (shocker) and good news for him we will get out of them because you can sue/garnish a disabled or SSI only person. I am sure he knew about these he just ignored them and never payed.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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Jesus effing christ.

I finally talked with the place doing the garnishment. they said they sent notice of it and court to his last known address. considering the guy has lived in the same place 12 years. i asked what the address was and guess what? a address he lived in about 14 years ago.

they had knows his current address years ago. but they still sent it to a old one?

WTF

they are also garnishing his tax's. i guess he was getting back $1200 and he just got the letter on garnishment on that today.

the more i help the more i get disgusted by debt collectors.


edit: ok forgot to mention. I also finally got into contact with legal agency. We have a meeting to see if they will do anything. I would be rather surprised if they don't. but who the hell knows. hope they do so i can be done lol
 
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EagleKeeper

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If he was never served, the garnishment should not be valid.
They need to show he was served for the court hearing; get a copy of the service; someone committed fraud.
Document and present it to the court that allowed the garnishment.

If he has not filed his taxes; hold off until the mess is cleared up.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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If he was never served, the garnishment should not be valid.
They need to show he was served for the court hearing; get a copy of the service; someone committed fraud.
Document and present it to the court that allowed the garnishment.

If he has not filed his taxes; hold off until the mess is cleared up.

THIS. This all hooks on whether or not he was served correctly. One of two things happened: He was, ignored the court date, and agency got the judgement by default; or he was NOT properly served, went to court anyway, judge assumed service was legit, and ruled in the plaintiff's favor.

If the second scenario happened, this can EASILY get tossed out (dont mistake easily with fast lol), as the collection agency will have racked up 3 violations just of the FDCPA that I can think of, who knows what else.

Either your friend needs a crash course on debt collection (www.creditboards.com) and counter-file pro-se, or he needs to talk to an attorney.
 

NetWareHead

THAT guy
Aug 10, 2002
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How is a debt collection agency garnishing wages without due process of law?

It seems to me that we have a right to life, liberty and protection of property under the law. Taking something without due process is stealing.

I have experience with debt collection practices and worked IT for an agency. This only applies to NJ law but could be useful for other states as well.

Actions such as wage garnishment, bank levy etc... can only happen after a judge signs off on a judgement in court. If you dispute the debt, you can go to court and explain it to a judge. if you throw away the notice, they will still go to court and when you don't appear you have a default judgement entered against you. Armed with the judgement, the agency begins processes on how to collect the debt.
 
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