WoW Drop Rate Opinions

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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We all hear the stories of felheart and cenarian abounding in MC, but I've just gotta say that I'm getting pretty fed up with BWL these days. I've been sitting at 7/8 Judgement on my Paladin for months now. Why? Do I lose bids on judgement gloves? Nope. My guild isn't even sure they exist. My guild has been farming the drakes in BWL since last August/Early Sept. So lemme think, that's 6 months ago. 3 drakes a week (each with a chance of dropping judgement gloves), roughly 24 weeks, which equals 72 drops, and 0 judgement gloves. It took awhile for a judgement BP to drop, but 0/72 is just disgusting. Also, we haven't gotten a single eye of sulfuras and we've been farming Rag since last April/May. Anyone else have similar loot (un)luck and starting to wonder if the system is in fact broken?

(sure sure, millions of "random" calculations a second, so the odds of this specific item dropping on this specific kill aren't so great .. blah)
 

JRSork

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Sep 18, 2004
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My guild has been having the same bad luck. Our last 3-4 Razorgore kills has gotten us Priest/Hunter bracers and the Hunter Trinket. We've haven't seen a Helm of Wrath drop from Ony in months, yet we continue to get Druid/Warlcock helms all the time.

A while ago there was that rumor going around about "loot seeds" created by the player who starts the raid and is the first to zone in the instance, that would determine which loot would drop in the instance. Not sure if this is in any way true, but it's starting to seem like it as we always use the same person as our Raid leader. Who knows...
 

Anubis

No Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
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Originally posted by: JRSork


A while ago there was that rumor going around about "loot seeds" created by the player who starts the raid and is the first to zone in the instance, that would determine which loot would drop in the instance. Not sure if this is in any way true, but it's starting to seem like it as we always use the same person as our Raid leader. Who knows...

its compleatly fake, the drop has nothing to do with it, many people have horrid luck some have great luck, i have 2 friends on diff srvers whos guilds are farming for NS gear, friend A has been running it sence june not 1 NS drop, friend 2 had 3 NS parts drop in a month
 

torpid

Lifer
Sep 14, 2003
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It's because of MC and BWL that I ultimately quit WoW. Those instances are fun at first but become soooo tedious. Only rarely does a really worthwhile item drop. Then you have to vie with 10 other people for any good item, assuming you are lucky and not in a guild with DKP system (as I was) that is not zero balanced.
 

CKent

Diamond Member
Aug 17, 2005
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My guild gets arcanist's & cenarion by the truckful, and not much of anything else. 3 solid months of MC have gotten us only 12 pieces of nightslayer, of which I have 4 (we only have 3 regular raiding rogues).

Actually the drop rates in this game are rather high... the problem is that not everyone likes to raid. But without anything else to really do in this game, they've had to make raiding rewards extremely obtainable & powerful to retain interest post-60.
 

ubercaffeinated

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Dec 1, 2002
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My ex-guilds DKP system was pretty well damn balanced. We dealt with inflations and such by doing monthly "purges" of x number of points that the guild leaders agreed on, among a bunch of other measures taken to make dkp as fair as possible.

As for drops, yea they are pretty hokey, by the time we got our first eye, we already had 3 windseekers and an ashkandi. It's REALLY REALLY fun when you farm out the top tier stuff of the game and become kings of the server essentially. But at the same time imagine the time it took to do that
 

TGS

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May 3, 2005
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I think wrath dropped from ony the second time I ran it. Might > Cenarion > Felheart is the typical MC loot that when I raided. Which included the random BoEs. I felt bad for the rogues and hunters(more so hunters) as I think I saw maybe 5-6 nightslayer pieces drop total, and 1-2 giantstalker pieces from MC. A dragon stalker helm dropped the same day as the wrath helm from ony, but still...

For me I gave up on WoW when MC and Ony became farming tasks, and it was a forced grind. It was kinda interesting to see rags go down after a few tries though.
 

BigPoppa

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Oct 9, 1999
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Have you tried using a different raid leader in order to "seed" the dungeon differently? Was a topic on fohguild.org a while back about it, was a long time ago though.
 

Litchfield285

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Sep 4, 2004
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Originally posted by: BigPoppa
Have you tried using a different raid leader in order to "seed" the dungeon differently? Was a topic on fohguild.org a while back about it, was a long time ago though.

That theory was disproved by a blue post some time ago. I'm at work so I cannot get a link, but they did in fact say it has nothing to do with the RL or ML. It's all random, whether people want to believe it or not.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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Loot systems for WoW blow. Plus the fact that an item gets soulbound. I'd rather have items be more rare, and tradeable.
 

fs5

Lifer
Jun 10, 2000
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Loot systems for WoW blow. Plus the fact that an item gets soulbound. I'd rather have items be more rare, and tradeable.
soulbound items were intended to stop people from buying/selling stuff on eBay. (now they just buy and sell gold)
 

ggnl

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Jul 2, 2004
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Originally posted by: fs5
Originally posted by: TallBill
Loot systems for WoW blow. Plus the fact that an item gets soulbound. I'd rather have items be more rare, and tradeable.
soulbound items were intended to stop people from buying/selling stuff on eBay. (now they just buy and sell gold)

It works to an extent. There's only so much you can buy with gold.
 

Celstar

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Oct 16, 1999
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haven't seen cenarion or stormrage in ages, you guys are just imagining what you want to think is true. it all evens out over time.
 

Noema

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Feb 15, 2005
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Originally posted by: ggnl
Originally posted by: fs5
Originally posted by: TallBill
Loot systems for WoW blow. Plus the fact that an item gets soulbound. I'd rather have items be more rare, and tradeable.
soulbound items were intended to stop people from buying/selling stuff on eBay. (now they just buy and sell gold)

It works to an extent. There's only so much you can buy with gold.


Agreed. Without the soulbinding system everyone could be in full epics with some ebayed gold. For the most part, BoE epics are nowhere near as good as 'real' (MC/BWL/AQ) epics.

Also, if you see someone running around with 2 or more BoE epics you can be pretty sure they buy gold on line.
 

Noema

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Originally posted by: Celstar
haven't seen cenarion or stormrage in ages, you guys are just imagining what you want to think is true. it all evens out over time.


Heh...I've always found it ironic that the two sets that 'supposedly' drop the most are the ones that belong to the least played classes: Warlocks and Druids...I think it has more to do with the fact that, since those classes are underplayed, the few Warlocks / druids in raids get geared very quickly, thus leading to a lot of wasted loot and disenchants, which lead people to believe they drop substantially more than other sets.

 

CKent

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Aug 17, 2005
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Originally posted by: Noema
Originally posted by: ggnl
Originally posted by: fs5
Originally posted by: TallBill
Loot systems for WoW blow. Plus the fact that an item gets soulbound. I'd rather have items be more rare, and tradeable.
soulbound items were intended to stop people from buying/selling stuff on eBay. (now they just buy and sell gold)

It works to an extent. There's only so much you can buy with gold.


Agreed. Without the soulbinding system everyone could be in full epics with some ebayed gold. For the most part, BoE epics are nowhere near as good as 'real' (MC/BWL/AQ) epics.

Also, if you see someone running around with 2 or more BoE epics you can be pretty sure they buy gold on line.

Not necessarily, a lot of people do a lot of solo grinding and play the AH, purchasing the two BoE parts of the tier 1 set is well within many legitimate players' reach.

I agree fully with TallBill. Sure having most upper-end stuff be BoP is fine, but having tradeables would really help give the economy more depth as it did in EQ. But the additional rarity items would need for this to work wouldn't go over well with the average player ("u meen i hav 2 pla all day n mite not get a blu??/?/ wtf!11!").
 

Litchfield285

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Yeah also people get BoE's crafted all the time, they also could get them to drop as well... no way someone having 2 or more BoE epics automatically signifies they buy gold.
 

ubercaffeinated

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High end guilds who are about to phase out MC completely are "selling" spots in the MC runs. It's quite common these days. My ex guild used to make enough gold monthly to ebay to take care of guild maintenance costs and even subsidize some of the core players subscription costs.

As for tradability and depth of economy, I think that's all coming with the expansion. Gems? Socketable weapons? New professions? I'm sure it'll breathe back atleast a little life right?
 

CKent

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Aug 17, 2005
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Originally posted by: makoto00
High end guilds who are about to phase out MC completely are "selling" spots in the MC runs. It's quite common these days. My ex guild used to make enough gold monthly to ebay to take care of guild maintenance costs and even subsidize some of the core players subscription costs.

As for tradability and depth of economy, I think that's all coming with the expansion. Gems? Socketable weapons? New professions? I'm sure it'll breathe back atleast a little life right?
As much as the current content and tradeskills do?
 

Vortex22

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At least the new instances like AQ fix this, with quest items for multiple classes that you use to get your sets from quests.
 

TheVrolok

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Originally posted by: Celstar
haven't seen cenarion or stormrage in ages, you guys are just imagining what you want to think is true. it all evens out over time.


It's going to take quite a bit of time to even out a current 0/72 drop rate
 

spunkz

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Jul 16, 2003
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Originally posted by: Vortex22
At least the new instances like AQ fix this, with quest items for multiple classes that you use to get your sets from quests.

yeah but they usually have a reputation requirement which means 50+ runs. i usually can't stand to do the raid bosses more than once, so i guess i'm just outta luck. waiting for pvp-only
 

Vortex22

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Originally posted by: spunkz
Originally posted by: Vortex22
At least the new instances like AQ fix this, with quest items for multiple classes that you use to get your sets from quests.

yeah but they usually have a reputation requirement which means 50+ runs. i usually can't stand to do the raid bosses more than once, so i guess i'm just outta luck. waiting for pvp-only

Well it's kind of more fair that way, since the items you get are directly proportional to the time you spend, instead of just getting lucky and cleaning up on your first run or having a really long streak with no loot.
 

TGS

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Whether or not people like it the best tradeskill for getting gold is clearly enchanting. Even the lowbie player is going to take a +2-3 damage enchant or save up for a fiery later down the line. Not mentioning that most twinked players have combinations of fiery/agility/crusader making the very high-end market spill over into their alts.

As for BoE epics, there is a good amount of BoEs that come out of MC at least. I didn't spend much time in BWL myself to notice. When we ran through MC, we would farm out the trash for BoEs and cores. Which made it easier to fill OML spots and gear people up with crafted epics. For the most part once you hit around 50-55 gold really has no purpose other than repairs. Typically you will have lots of gear runs in scholo/strat/lbrs/brd/ubrs, along with the quest items that can be had from those areas. Which makes for some pretty blue gear. Of which I also like DM but thats "considered" caster, although north and west have some nice melee items.

Though once you get a group together to run ZG/MC regularly, the epics as easily had. The only problem is it takes 20-40 players so the distribution of drops is the biggest problem. I've mentioned it before but this is basically how my old guild did it. We have runs every night, and if we can't field 20 or 40 players respectively, we spam in IF for people to fill slots. If we have to get "PUG" raids, we always roll on loot to make it fair to the people joining. Normally those people if they get an epic will join the guild anyway, and get dkp credit from the runs they did. An all guild run is done strictly on dkp with no limits. Sets are done with a single person on the order of merit list, which is a person is placed at the top until they get 3/8 of their set pieces and they move down. They get the set pieces for the minimum dkp(5), though they can not bid on *any* other non-set pieces. I was in two "pugs" and got an epic each time, I was defaulted to the top of OML when the number one priest spot was not there for a run when prophecy dropped. I was also able to outbid a new priest for the eve of divinity for almost nothing(20).

The thing is though in wow, if you have a group of people that can raid for a few hours a couple times a week, you will have people get epics in a short order. I think our MT got a new job and he was totally loaded out with full might, dark iron, and quel. So they started to outfit our new tank with gear and before I left he was nearly all epic, with an epic sword from ZG. So yes people do roll for epics, though it's still ML and the guild leader picks the classes per item that can roll. So it's restricted, but done so that the items give the best boost to the guild.
 
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