Wow israel is pwning palestine

[saahmed]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

you clearly need to read about jihads

You clearly dont know what Jihad is. Its acutal translation is something to the effect of 'effort'. This can mean effort in anything from studies to sports. In the context of war, it is putting all your effort toward fighting for the will of God. All of the monotheistic religions discuss fighting for the will of God, its not unique to Islam.

EDIT:

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
ruffilb..

That was unnecessary to quote all of those examples.

I did not say that Christianity was/is a religion of peace - I sugested that Islam is not. Proving one of these does not automatically disprove the other.

However, the fact is thus: today Christians do not detonate themselves and decapitate "infidels" to get into heaven. My point was that Christians have changed in these 700 years, while many muslims still go by the "old ways" of jihad and the ignorant, utterly fvcking stupid idea of killing infidels.

Yeah, they dont blow themselves up, but they do sometimes kill or commit violence. Abortion clinics and stuff like that? The people in Palestine dont really have any other way of fighting for their beliefs than to sneak in and blow themselves up. Its wrong that they are killing innocent civilians, but they cant get to the military bases.

 

[kobymu]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Aside from the fact that everything you quoted was from the laws of the Jews in the Old Testament, which happens to be older than the new testament, ruffilb, please tell me, how many Christians are running around stoning women who aren't virgins, etc. etc. compared to the jihadists who kill people in the name of Allah?

Congratulation, you just won a free, non limited, membership card to the clueless club where clueless people can enjoy being ignorant without other people constantly telling them they are wrong.

 

[saahmed]

Originally posted by: kobymu

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Aside from the fact that everything you quoted was from the laws of the Jews in the Old Testament, which happens to be older than the new testament, ruffilb, please tell me, how many Christians are running around stoning women who aren't virgins, etc. etc. compared to the jihadists who kill people in the name of Allah?

Congratulation, you just won a free, non limited, membership card to the clueless club where clueless people can enjoy being ignorant without other people constantly telling them they are wrong.

LOL

 

[Dragoon42]

Originally posted by: saymyname
The Palestinians are being really stupid here. Nobody should take their side.

If Mexico came into our country by a tunnel and killed some of our soldiers and took one captive we'd be bombing Mexico City. If Germany did it to France I'd expect Paris to threaten to use the nuke card.

It wouldn't happen so let's not dwell on the examples but my point is that Hamas shouldn't have expected anything less and shouldn't be demanding anything. I only hope they haven't killed that soldier.

lol...i think everyone knows that france wouldn't do anything hahahaha j/k

 

[saymyname]

If it wasn't Germany I might agree....

Hell, I give up, I mean they give up, I mean I admit that they'd surrender.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369

Originally posted by: saymyname

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
http://www.honestreporting.com/articles...ocus_HR_in_Hollywood_and_Pallywood.asp

Unbelievable

I don't remember if it was Frontline or 20/20 or what it was, but there was a documentary about the staged Palestinian videos. They set them up like movie sets and then let the ambulances drive around in circles to all the actors who are making it look like the Israelis are attacking them. Israel had been claiming it for years and I'd recommend everyone see the show. Fascinating.

http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php

Second video

:Q :Q :Q :Q

Thank you...site saved & second vidio was well worth the viewing.

Pallywood indeed :disgust: Why am I not the least bit suprised. Assclowns!!


...Galvanized

 

[futuristicmonkey]

Originally posted by: saahmed

EDIT:

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
ruffilb..

That was unnecessary to quote all of those examples.

I did not say that Christianity was/is a religion of peace - I sugested that Islam is not. Proving one of these does not automatically disprove the other.

However, the fact is thus: today Christians do not detonate themselves and decapitate "infidels" to get into heaven. My point was that Christians have changed in these 700 years, while many muslims still go by the "old ways" of jihad and the ignorant, utterly fvcking stupid idea of killing infidels.

Yeah, they dont blow themselves up, but they do sometimes kill or commit violence. Abortion clinics and stuff like that? The people in Palestine dont really have any other way of fighting for their beliefs than to sneak in and blow themselves up. Its wrong that they are killing innocent civilians, but they cant get to the military bases.

I'm sure that if in one of their large, street-filling protests they dropped all of their weapons and cried for peace instead of shooting them into the air...that'd make some people notice.


Edit:

Originally posted by: saahmed
Are you a Christian? When is the last time you read the bible. There are quotations similar to this in there too. They are in the context of war, not everyday life. This is also a bad translation, making some parts sound very rotten.

No - I am not a Christian. The last time I read parts of the bible was at catechism, the last class of which I took was 4 years ago. The only story I remember is one about rejoicing for finding one silver dollar as if you had found 10.

I am an atheist - although I don't really give two sh*ts what people call, or think of, me. My "religion" is one of logic - I can't understand why the hell these people choose death over peace.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
This thread proves that there's a lot of ignorant people in AT. It's so sad!

Posting what one believes does mean that that belief is what they will carry to their graves

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
My "religion" is one of logic - I can't understand why the hell these people choose death over peace.

Kind of off-topic, but I love statements like this, and they show how superior others think they are when compared to others.

What kind of logic are you using exactly? A logical person would realize that lack of proof of existence does not equal proof of non-existence. A logical person would be agnostic. You, just like theists, have a set of beliefs within you, whether you like to admit it or not.

 

[futuristicmonkey]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
My "religion" is one of logic - I can't understand why the hell these people choose death over peace.

Kind of off-topic, but I love statements like this, and they show how superior others think they are when compared to others.

What kind of logic are you using exactly? A logical person would realize that lack of proof of existence does not equal proof of non-existence. A logical person would be agnostic. You, just like theists, have a set of beliefs within you, whether you like to admit it or not.

You are correct - this is off-topic. I am "using" the logic which I cannot use to either prove or disprove the existence of a higher-being. You're right - I do have a set of beliefs within me; ones which I don't like to admit to being supported by my own interpretation of the world around me as well as the principles of modern physics - however I do admit to it.

What I can't understand about these people (their lack of logic if you feel like being a pr*ck) is that they could just as easily drop their weapons as shoot them off into the air. A simple gesture like this would show something to the Israelis...something other than what is curently going on - it would make them think.

 

[saymyname]

Check out the BBC and the quotes from Palestinians on the ground. They're all convinced that a prisoner exchange is the way to go.

 

[skisteven1]

Originally posted by: saymyname
Check out the BBC and the quotes from Palestinians on the ground. They're all convinced that a prisoner exchange is the way to go.

well sure, but who does that help? what does that do? The Israelis refuse to negotiate on this ground for a simple reason: If they do, then other palestinians will continue to kidnap Israeli soldiers to get what they want. If it works once, then it must work in the future, right?

 

[saymyname]

Their logic and foresight is limited. Like I said above, if this happened anywhere else it would be a major problem leading to a cold war and an all out confrontation if it wasn't resolved very quickly. Anyone remember the tension when China had our flight crew for a few days after they had to make an emergency landing? That wasn't even kidnapping and murder...

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
I'm sure that if in one of their large, street-filling protests they dropped all of their weapons and cried for peace instead of shooting them into the air...that'd make some people notice.

i really wonder why they haven't come up with a ghandi or MLK yet



as for violence... well, it's more fun than farming rocks. same reason the romans devoted way more armies to the west (sparsely populated iberia) than to the east (greece)... people with something to live for will stop fighting, people with nothing better to do...

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: saymyname
Check out the BBC and the quotes from Palestinians on the ground. They're all convinced that a prisoner exchange is the way to go.

Just curious.... not directed at you, per say, just the thought of those who think that prisoner exchange is the way to go.

What is to stop one side from continuing the violence then taking one innocent bystander and holding them captive so they can demand a prisioner exchange whenever they want their own terrorists back?

Dunno... seems to me that in order for prisoner exchange to work, BOTH sides need to have an honest intent at keeping the peace. That does not seem to be the case.

Without taking sides... I can fully believe that one side or another would continue to attack the other side then use prisoner exchange programs to retrieve the same ppl who will go back and do it again.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: saahmed

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

you clearly need to read about jihads

You clearly dont know what Jihad is. Its acutal translation is something to the effect of 'effort'. This can mean effort in anything from studies to sports. In the context of war, it is putting all your effort toward fighting for the will of God. All of the monotheistic religions discuss fighting for the will of God, its not unique to Islam.

EDIT:

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
ruffilb..

That was unnecessary to quote all of those examples.

I did not say that Christianity was/is a religion of peace - I sugested that Islam is not. Proving one of these does not automatically disprove the other.

However, the fact is thus: today Christians do not detonate themselves and decapitate "infidels" to get into heaven. My point was that Christians have changed in these 700 years, while many muslims still go by the "old ways" of jihad and the ignorant, utterly fvcking stupid idea of killing infidels.

Yeah, they dont blow themselves up, but they do sometimes kill or commit violence. Abortion clinics and stuff like that? The people in Palestine dont really have any other way of fighting for their beliefs than to sneak in and blow themselves up. Its wrong that they are killing innocent civilians, but they cant get to the military bases.

Please quote the part in the New Testament where Jesus preached to commit violence. Thanks.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: BigJ
You can only piss off people with superior weapons so much before the sh!t hits the fan.

QFT...

Serves the Fatah party right for not upholding its side of the agreement

 

[EKKC]

world war iii is upon us

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: EKKC
world war iii is upon us

World war tripple-I? I don't get it, the war between Iraq, Israel and Ireland?

 

[Miramonti]

Two eyes for an eye, and the saga goes on. A bilateral perspective very deserving of unrest, yet very unfortunate to all those involved.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: skisteven1

Originally posted by: saymyname
Check out the BBC and the quotes from Palestinians on the ground. They're all convinced that a prisoner exchange is the way to go.

well sure, but who does that help? what does that do? The Israelis refuse to negotiate on this ground for a simple reason: If they do, then other palestinians will continue to kidnap Israeli soldiers to get what they want. If it works once, then it must work in the future, right?

BLING BLING BLING

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: saahmed

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
education isn't always the answer either. oddly literacy enough it exposes them to even more islamic hate propaganda from sources all over the world. you don't have to rely on an imam anymore, you can self radicalize

islam is a religion of peace

Is this a joke?

Check 8.12

Are you a Christian? When is the last time you read the bible. There are quotations similar to this in there too. They are in the context of war, not everyday life. This is also a bad translation, making some parts sound very rotten.

Neither one is a religion of peace.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Neither one is a religion of peace.

I would have to disagree with you there buddy... Christianity on its foundation is a religion of peace. Before Constantine and Catholicism mucked it up because of politically corrupt people in power, the early Church was all about peace. You will find very little references to killing or hurting anyone in the New Testament. The Old Testament is a reflection of before redemption when the Jewish nation were the only chosen people.

I could take anything out of the context of which it was written and twist it to say something very different. It is clear that Christianity in its core belief is a peaceful religion.

The Muslim religion on the other hand is not a peaceful religion in its roots and beginnings. You could point to its close ties to tribal living which caused this violence, but scriptures that clearly are not stories but general commands for all Muslim believers are in the Koran. Anyways, most practicers of Islam in America are very nice people and are level headed by Western standards. Middle Eastern standards are polar opposites of Western standards. It will be hard to incorporate them into the same standards as our own. It may happen. Like it happened with Japan, but I doubt it will be quick or easy. Japan only majorly changed after WWII and America had a major part to play in its redevelopment, so I doubt the same thing would happen in the Middle East now even with a war because of the change in dynamics of war (overhanging threat of Nuclear war_

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Neither one is a religion of peace.

I would have to disagree with you there buddy... Christianity on its foundation is a religion of peace. Before Constantine and Catholicism mucked it up because of politically corrupt people in power, the early Church was all about peace. You will find very little references to killing or hurting anyone in the New Testament. The Old Testament is a reflection of before redemption when the Jewish nation were the only chosen people.

I could take anything out of the context of which it was written and twist it to say something very different. It is clear that Christianity in its core belief is a peaceful religion.

The Muslim religion on the other hand is not a peaceful religion in its roots and beginnings. You could point to its close ties to tribal living which caused this violence, but scriptures that clearly are not stories but general commands for all Muslim believers are in the Koran. Anyways, most practicers of Islam in America are very nice people and are level headed by Western standards. Middle Eastern standards are polar opposites of Western standards. It will be hard to incorporate them into the same standards as our own. It may happen. Like it happened with Japan, but I doubt it will be quick or easy. Japan only majorly changed after WWII and America had a major part to play in its redevelopment, so I doubt the same thing would happen in the Middle East now even with a war because of the change in dynamics of war (overhanging threat of Nuclear war_

Well I will at least agree that Islam is much more violent and discriminatory.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Well I will at least agree that Islam is much more violent and discriminatory.

I agree in practice that people by nature are violent and abusive and they will latch onto anything to further there necessity to create seperation and hurt others.

If you make any group of people latch onto an idea whole-heartedly enough (and that belief doesn't encorporate thinking for yourself), you can basically make them do whatever you want. I remember when I was reading psychology, I read about a Behavioral Psychologist who said, give me a child and I can make them into anything I want. <shudder>

Look at the Germans in WWII. People who believe in something that doesn't encorporate free thought (logic), are like sheep.

Christianity, by its belief alone, (not by the way evil power hungry people twisted it) is a peaceful and free thinking (logical) religion.