Wow israel is pwning palestine

[kobymu]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Neither one is a religion of peace.

I would have to disagree with you there buddy... Christianity on its foundation is a religion of peace. Before Constantine and Catholicism mucked it up because of politically corrupt people in power, the early Church was all about peace. You will find very little references to killing or hurting anyone in the New Testament. The Old Testament is a reflection of before redemption when the Jewish nation were the only chosen people.

That is very common misconception because most people dont know about judaism as much as they think they do.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Neither one is a religion of peace.

i'm fine with that.but one must admit theres bad, and then theres worse.... i mean much much worse. its not politically correct to acknowledge as such you can't get around the fact that mohammed setup a horrible system of belief, making his scripture direct from god as it gets, no interpretation really possible to explain away the evil nonsense. his life was also one of poor example, mixing religion state/military power, marrying children etc etc. say what u will about jesus, he didn't do all that sh*t.

 

[saahmed]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: saahmed

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

you clearly need to read about jihads

You clearly dont know what Jihad is. Its acutal translation is something to the effect of 'effort'. This can mean effort in anything from studies to sports. In the context of war, it is putting all your effort toward fighting for the will of God. All of the monotheistic religions discuss fighting for the will of God, its not unique to Islam.

EDIT:

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
ruffilb..

That was unnecessary to quote all of those examples.

I did not say that Christianity was/is a religion of peace - I sugested that Islam is not. Proving one of these does not automatically disprove the other.

However, the fact is thus: today Christians do not detonate themselves and decapitate "infidels" to get into heaven. My point was that Christians have changed in these 700 years, while many muslims still go by the "old ways" of jihad and the ignorant, utterly fvcking stupid idea of killing infidels.

Yeah, they dont blow themselves up, but they do sometimes kill or commit violence. Abortion clinics and stuff like that? The people in Palestine dont really have any other way of fighting for their beliefs than to sneak in and blow themselves up. Its wrong that they are killing innocent civilians, but they cant get to the military bases.

Please quote the part in the New Testament where Jesus preached to commit violence. Thanks.

First of all, I really dont understand how you can consider the New Testament holy. It was written by PEOPLE. The old testament was from God. Muslims also consider it a holy book. Surely implications of violence can be found in any religious book. But seriously find a real translation of the Quran and read it, you wont find anything about blowing yourself up or commiting ruthless acts of violence, some people coud probably translate or interpret things in that way, but its completely wrong. Im not going to look for quotations in the bible because everybody who is not ignorant knows that they are there. They probably dont tell you to be violent, but people can interpret them in that way.

 

[saahmed]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Neither one is a religion of peace.

I would have to disagree with you there buddy... Christianity on its foundation is a religion of peace. Before Constantine and Catholicism mucked it up because of politically corrupt people in power, the early Church was all about peace. You will find very little references to killing or hurting anyone in the New Testament. The Old Testament is a reflection of before redemption when the Jewish nation were the only chosen people.

I could take anything out of the context of which it was written and twist it to say something very different. It is clear that Christianity in its core belief is a peaceful religion.

The Muslim religion on the other hand is not a peaceful religion in its roots and beginnings. You could point to its close ties to tribal living which caused this violence, but scriptures that clearly are not stories but general commands for all Muslim believers are in the Koran. Anyways, most practicers of Islam in America are very nice people and are level headed by Western standards. Middle Eastern standards are polar opposites of Western standards. It will be hard to incorporate them into the same standards as our own. It may happen. Like it happened with Japan, but I doubt it will be quick or easy. Japan only majorly changed after WWII and America had a major part to play in its redevelopment, so I doubt the same thing would happen in the Middle East now even with a war because of the change in dynamics of war (overhanging threat of Nuclear war_

Wow. Youre absolutely ridiculous. Go to your local mosque and pick up a free translation of the Quran. Go find any spot in their that actually commands Muslims to commit acts of violence. There are verses that some people could interpret any way they wanted. Some specific violent verses I can recall from the Quran have to do with the Battle of Badr and other battles. By the way..reread your middle paragraph and think everything through again.

 

[saahmed]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Well I will at least agree that Islam is much more violent and discriminatory.

I agree in practice that people by nature are violent and abusive and they will latch onto anything to further there necessity to create seperation and hurt others.

If you make any group of people latch onto an idea whole-heartedly enough (and that belief doesn't encorporate thinking for yourself), you can basically make them do whatever you want. I remember when I was reading psychology, I read about a Behavioral Psychologist who said, give me a child and I can make them into anything I want. <shudder>

Look at the Germans in WWII. People who believe in something that doesn't encorporate free thought (logic), are like sheep.

Christianity, by its belief alone, (not by the way evil power hungry people twisted it) is a peaceful and free thinking (logical) religion.

Yes, and how is that different from Islam?

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Neither one is a religion of peace.

i'm fine with that.but one must admit theres bad, and then theres worse.... i mean much much worse. its not politically correct to acknowledge as such you can't get around the fact that mohammed setup a horrible system of belief, making his scripture direct from god as it gets, no interpretation really possible to explain away the evil nonsense. his life was also one of poor example, mixing religion state/military power, marrying children etc etc. say what u will about jesus, he didn't do all that sh*t.

Many people dont realize this, but Jesus is also a prophet to Muslims. How did Muhammad marry children? People back then didnt live very long. It was normal for people to marry very young. Especially young women marrying older men. Also if you go and read accounts of Muhammads life, you will realize that everything you said about him living a horrible example of a life are totally false.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: Savij
I just came in to say that most (all) of these problems have roots in Europe. Europe has chosen to meddle in affairs and regions it doesn't understand without so much as a thought to who gets hurt. None of these problems in the middle east started with the Israeli government. These problems go back hundreds and thousands of years ago to Europe and its armies and colonies and rape of native people's rights and livelyhoods. Israel, Palestine, the entire middle east have long lasting scars from the Europeans trampling everyone and everything in the region. Europe has sown the fields with blood, hate, and lies. Europe now stands back and watches the heathens kill each other while claiming moral superiority.

Europe, I'm blaming you.

Umm, no. The Israel/Palestine conflict has nothing to do things that happened thousands of years ago in Europe. The Israel/Palestine conflict is going on because the country of Palestine was basically "parted out" to form a new country... called Israel. Eventually, Palestine basically almost ceased to exist and just about all of it's land was given away to create the nation of Israel. There's a conflict because a whole people lost their home country to create a nation for another group of people. If this happened to your country, I'm sure you would be royally pissed as well.

Umm, no. The Israel/Palestine conflict does have things to do with Europe just 60 years or so ago when it was under the British. Most world conflicts have some roots from European colonialism and meddling.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: saahmed

First of all, I really dont understand how you can consider the New Testament holy. It was written by PEOPLE.

NEWS FLASH: all books are written by people.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: saahmed

First of all, I really dont understand how you can consider the New Testament holy. It was written by PEOPLE.

NEWS FLASH: all books are written by people.

You misunderstood him. He's saying that the New Testament is not the words of god.

*slowly leaves thread.*

 

[skisteven1]

I dont' think any of the 3 are inherently religions of violence -- it's just a matter of interpretation of whoever happens to be in power at the time. If you don't think Christians can be violent, then don't forget the Crusades.

 

[Czar]

why isnt this in p&n?

 

[morkus64]

Well, it just got kicked up a notch... Hezbollah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers, so Israel blew up 5 bridges in Lebanon. BAM!

</Emeril's guide to current events>

Can someone explain to me why, after seeing Israel's response to the Palestinian abduction of a soldier, Hezbollah would think it's a remotely good idea to abduct soldiers? Are they trying to lure them into war? Seems silly considering the strength of the Israeli military. Now Israel is calling up reserves - and keep in mind that Israeli reserves are a bit different than we think here in the US... In the US, the army advertises "one weekend a month". In Israel, a huge portion of the population is militarily trained already from mandatory service.

 

[morkus64]

Originally posted by: Czar
why isnt this in p&n?

Because we want to discuss it logically.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: morkus64
Well, it just got kicked up a notch... Hezbollah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers, so Israel blew up 5 bridges in Lebanon. BAM!

</Emeril's guide to current events>

Can someone explain to me why, after seeing Israel's response to the Palestinian abduction of a soldier, Hezbollah would think it's a remotely good idea to abduct soldiers? Are they trying to lure them into war? Seems silly considering the strength of the Israeli military. Now Israel is calling up reserves - and keep in mind that Israeli reserves are a bit different than we think here in the US... In the US, the army advertises "one weekend a month". In Israel, a huge portion of the population is militarily trained already from mandatory service.

These people are freaking nuts.....Both sides just need to calm the #@*@ down.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: morkus64
Well, it just got kicked up a notch... Hezbollah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers, so Israel blew up 5 bridges in Lebanon. BAM!

</Emeril's guide to current events>

Can someone explain to me why, after seeing Israel's response to the Palestinian abduction of a soldier, Hezbollah would think it's a remotely good idea to abduct soldiers? Are they trying to lure them into war? Seems silly considering the strength of the Israeli military. Now Israel is calling up reserves - and keep in mind that Israeli reserves are a bit different than we think here in the US... In the US, the army advertises "one weekend a month". In Israel, a huge portion of the population is militarily trained already from mandatory service.

These people are freaking nuts.....Both sides just need to calm the #@*@ down.

That's easy to say for all the people over here.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: Savij
I just came in to say that most (all) of these problems have roots in Europe. Europe has chosen to meddle in affairs and regions it doesn't understand without so much as a thought to who gets hurt. None of these problems in the middle east started with the Israeli government. These problems go back hundreds and thousands of years ago to Europe and its armies and colonies and rape of native people's rights and livelyhoods. Israel, Palestine, the entire middle east have long lasting scars from the Europeans trampling everyone and everything in the region. Europe has sown the fields with blood, hate, and lies. Europe now stands back and watches the heathens kill each other while claiming moral superiority.

Europe, I'm blaming you.

Umm, no. The Israel/Palestine conflict has nothing to do things that happened thousands of years ago in Europe. The Israel/Palestine conflict is going on because the country of Palestine was basically "parted out" to form a new country... called Israel. Eventually, Palestine basically almost ceased to exist and just about all of it's land was given away to create the nation of Israel. There's a conflict because a whole people lost their home country to create a nation for another group of people. If this happened to your country, I'm sure you would be royally pissed as well.

If you want to blame someone, blame the Ottoman Empire for getting involved and then beat in WWI. They had taken control of the land (most of what is now the Middle East) centuries ago. The British divided up that land and had put what is now Jordan and Israel/Palestine together into something called the "British Mandate of Palestine". A UN Resolution eventually created Israel. The Arabs and Egyptians could have taken it back but had their butts handed to them by a smaller Israeli army.

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: morkus64

Originally posted by: Czar
why isnt this in p&n?

Because we want to discuss it logically.

moron.

you think that because it's not in p&n that people who post here have any idea what logic is and are commited to using it?

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: skisteven1
I dont' think any of the 3 are inherently religions of violence -- it's just a matter of interpretation of whoever happens to be in power at the time. If you don't think Christians can be violent, then don't forget the Crusades.

Can't you cite something just a BIT more current then the Crusades....the First Crusade was over 900 years ago.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: skisteven1
I dont' think any of the 3 are inherently religions of violence -- it's just a matter of interpretation of whoever happens to be in power at the time. If you don't think Christians can be violent, then don't forget the Crusades.

Can't you cite something just a BIT more current then the Crusades....the First Crusade was over 900 years ago.

Not only that it was clearly not what Jesus taught. On the other hand Mohamed taught to kill the infidels.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: morkus64

Originally posted by: Czar
why isnt this in p&n?

Because we want to discuss it logically.

what I'm seeing is the same shít as in p&n only different people

 

[morkus64]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: morkus64

Originally posted by: Czar
why isnt this in p&n?

Because we want to discuss it logically.

what I'm seeing is the same shít as in p&n only different people

I said want. For a few posts we managed to do it.

 

[morkus64]

Originally posted by: fitzov

Originally posted by: morkus64

Originally posted by: Czar
why isnt this in p&n?

Because we want to discuss it logically.

moron.

you think that because it's not in p&n that people who post here have any idea what logic is and are commited to using it?

Thank you for your eloquence. You have shown me the light. Obviously my feeble understanding of the world is inferior to you and your vast intellect. Indeed, only a moron would make a joke such as mine, wheras an incredible mind such as yours would have the understanding that an uninspired personal attack is so clearly the appropriate response.

You have changed my life.

 

[SP33Demon]

If you want my honest opinion, the whole ME should be turned into a parking lot, including Israel. There won't be peace until they are both blown off the map or one is displaced halfway around the world (Israel should move since they are small).

Realistically, Israel should just take a humongous loan from the World Bank (financed by that sucker country called the United States of America just like every other loan we give out and will never be repaid) and buy some land from Mexico and settle there. Arabs would now be happy that they got their land back. Israel would have more room, better weather, and ocean access. Plus it's closer to the US so we can revise NAFTA to include them.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

I don't think Israel is entirely in the right here, but I think it says a lot in the way prisoners are handled. When one or two Israelies are captured, the country/terrorist organization (both Lebanon and Palestine are deeply involved/run by the groups) uses them as hostages, not combatants.

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: morkus64

Originally posted by: fitzov

Originally posted by: morkus64

Originally posted by: Czar
why isnt this in p&n?

Because we want to discuss it logically.

moron.

you think that because it's not in p&n that people who post here have any idea what logic is and are commited to using it?

Thank you for your eloquence. You have shown me the light. Obviously my feeble understanding of the world is inferior to you and your vast intellect. Indeed, only a moron would make a joke such as mine, wheras an incredible mind such as yours would have the understanding that an uninspired personal attack is so clearly the appropriate response.

You have changed my life.

You're welcome. If you're interested in tutoring on informal fallacies pm me.

 

[slackerinabox]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
life is about growing as a person, growing as a people, growing as a nation.


life is about prosperity, peace, discourse, philosophisizing, love, coping with death, all that good jumbluous stuff....


not this sh!t....

i love ya, man!