Wow.. MSNBC having a field day with Bush's recent Iran lie..

brxndxn

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I just caught the last monologue a few minutes ago (dunno the guy's name) where he was ripping into Bush harder than I've ever seen a pundit rip into him. "You sir, are a liar. You are unfit to be president." He looked really pissed too.. Wow..

And then the very next show.. he's ripping on Bush too..

GO MSNBC!
 

HomerJS

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Someone needs to. If the timelines along with the administration statements about Iran are followed the lies are obvious.
 

Jaskalas

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Great nation, ours, where this man will still be alive tomorrow free to say this again.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Let me guess - it was that worthless POS Olbermann - so pretty much nothing is new. He goes off on those wildeyed rants as often as Harvey does here.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Let me guess - it was that worthless POS Olbermann - so pretty much nothing is new. He goes off on those wildeyed rants as often as Harvey does here.

Yeah jeez, what's his problem. I mean all our president was doing was telling us lies.
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Let me guess - it was that worthless POS Olbermann - so pretty much nothing is new. He goes off on those wildeyed rants as often as Harvey does here.

that'd be my guess too - OP, did he have a vein pulsating on his forehead and was he spitting into the camera as he talked? Did he seem like he longs for the bathtub whenever a negative story about one of his lib heroes comes out?
 

Jhhnn

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Trying to kill the messenger won't change the message , or the truth, but the lame attempts in that direction compliment the lameness of the Prez's position in a sort of twisted harmony...

Raising, once again, the question of our resident fanbois actually believing the horse puckey they're trying to spread, or if they're just trying to sell it...

This is a major faux pas for the admin- any prez who'd actually been so ill-informed as Bush claims would have righteously and publically taken a few heads... but that hasn't happened.

Why not?
 

db

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...but ya know, there's always that 27% of any group that would march off a cliff if their leader told them to.
 

sandorski

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Olberman is right and anyone who isn't as pissed as him is freaking not paying attention.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Let me guess - it was that worthless POS Olbermann - so pretty much nothing is new. He goes off on those wildeyed rants as often as Harvey does here.

How is Keith Olbermann a peice of shit? I think most on this forum think otherwise...
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Let me guess - it was that worthless POS Olbermann - so pretty much nothing is new. He goes off on those wildeyed rants as often as Harvey does here.

How is Keith Olbermann a peice of shit? I think most on this forum think otherwise...

Gee you dont say Capt obvious?
 

First

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Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Let me guess - it was that worthless POS Olbermann - so pretty much nothing is new. He goes off on those wildeyed rants as often as Harvey does here.

How is Keith Olbermann a peice of shit? I think most on this forum think otherwise...

Because he has the depth of a peanut and burns bridges everywhere he goes. He's hypersensitive and generally reactionary instead of calmly resolute with his opinions. He is also a bit too obsessed with Bill O'Reilly, who just isn't that important in the world of politics.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Let me guess - it was that fearless champion of truth, Olbermann - so pretty much nothing is new.

Fixed it for ya! (You're welcome) :laugh:

You're right that the shitload of Bushwhacko lies is old, but you're wrong that nothing's new. The mountain of Bushwhacko known lies, deceit and outright criminality continues to grow, daily.

He goes off on those wildeyed rants as often as Harvey does here.

CAD -- I know you won't believe me, and I'm sure you don't mean to do so, but...

1. Olbermann is very, very right. :thumbsup:

2. You honor me with the comparison. :beer: :thumbsup:
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: brxndxn
I just caught the last monologue a few minutes ago (dunno the guy's name) where he was ripping into Bush harder than I've ever seen a pundit rip into him. "You sir, are a liar. You are unfit to be president." He looked really pissed too.. Wow..

And then the very next show.. he's ripping on Bush too..

GO MSNBC!

Better late then never? YA RIGHT!isgust;Six years late!
 

ProfJohn

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Some of you guys need to get out of the left wing blogs and read some of the stuff coming out from the right on this:
"The last page of the declassified Key Judgments notes significant differences between what the IC believed in 2005 and what it is saying now. In 2005, the IC noted: "[We] assess with high confidence that Iran currently is determined to develop nuclear weapons despite its international obligations and international pressure, but we do not assess that Iran is immovable." Now the IC says, "?we do not know whether (Iran) currently intends to develop nuclear weapons." So, in 2005 the IC was sure that Iran was determined to build a nuclear weapon and now it is not sure at all. "

"And the Robb-Silberman Commission, which investigated what the IC knew about WMD programs around the world, found in 2005: "Across the board, the Intelligence Community knows disturbingly little about the nuclear programs of many of the world's most dangerous actors. In some cases, it knows less now than it did five or ten years ago." "

Or how about this from the New York Times?
OP-Ed
But there?s also a lot of worrisome news in there that must not be overlooked.

First, the report says ?with high confidence? that Iran did have a secret nuclear weapons program and that it stopped only after it got caught and was threatened with international punishment. Even now, Tehran?s scientists are working to master the skills to make nuclear fuel ? the hardest part of building a weapon.

Anyone who wants to give the Iranians the full benefit of the doubt should read the last four years of reports from United Nations? nuclear inspectors about Iran?s 18-year history of hiding and dissembling. Or last month?s report, which criticized Tehran for providing ?diminishing? information and access to its current program. In one of those ironies that would be delicious if it didn?t involve nuclear weapons, an official close to the inspection agency told The Times yesterday that the new American assessment might be too generous to Iran.

Then there is the fact that the guy who wrote the part about Iran was making statements along the lines that Iran WAS working on a nuke back in July (can't find a link to that story)

Finally... remember all the time and attention paid to NIE's from the summer of 2001?? Osama and AQ were putting the last pieces of the biggest terrorist attack in history in to place while our intelligence services totally missed the boat.

Also remember how wrong our intelligence services were when it came to Iraq.

The same people on this board who jump up and down about how much we missed the Iraq WMD estimates have all of a sudden declared the same people to be brilliant analysts. :roll:
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Blah, blah, blah... (can't find a link to that story)

That's because there is no link to YOUR story. That story was all bullshit. That bus has left the station, and the story is that your TRAITOR IN CHIEF and his criminal cabal of murders and liars are UNDER it... too late to stop them from shredding the Constitutional rights of American citizens and FAR too late save the 3,886 Americans who have died in Iraq for their lies as of 12/5/07 11:55 am EDT.


If you're going to stick with the same lies and distractions from the truth, any last shred of credibility you thought you may once have had will be under it with them.

 

Blackjack200

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Also remember how wrong our intelligence services were when it came to Iraq.

Right, let's only listen to (manufacture) intelligence when it tells us what we want to hear.
 

ProfJohn

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Just to show how worthless you are Harvey I googled and found a link for you:
From Deputy Director of Analysis Thomas Fingar who said the follow in front of congress:
Iran and North Korea are the states of most concern to us. The United States? concerns about Iran are shared by many nations, including many of Iran?s neighbors. Iran is continuing to pursue uranium enrichment and has shown more interest in protracting negotiations and working to delay and diminish the impact of UNSC sanctions than in reaching an acceptable diplomatic solution. We assess that Tehran is determined to develop nuclear weapons--despite its international obligations and international pressure. This is a grave concern to the other countries in the region whose security would be threatened should Iran acquire nuclear weapons.
Link to congress site
He is, according to reports, one of the three main authors of the report.
 

Jhhnn

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So, uhh, the intelligence guys grew a spine, started telling the boss the truth instead of what they knew he wanted to hear...

Or just changed their minds after getting over their complex about 9/11...

Used more rigorous analysis than the OSP...

And there's some problem with this?

Even Cheney had to man-up, kinda-sorta, while the keyboard warriors continue to whine about not gettng the war they wanted...

While Dubya claims ignorance, verifying the fact in ways he never intended and can't even imagine...
 

StageLeft

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ProfJohn

I hate to call the strawman, but your post is full of them.

I think the US intelligence community needs a LOT of help. I don't necessarily believe their recent report anymore than a contradictory one from 05. However, if foreign decisions are based on it, as they ostensibly are, and Bush was briefed in AUGUST that there was serious information about Iran "but we're waiting to see what it is", you are a fool if you don't think he pressed for what it could be and waited 3-4 months to hear it. HE KNEW what the report was likely to conclude, just as he KNEW in 03 that there was significant, if minority dissent in the US intelligence community about the Iraq WMD program. He chose to ignore it.

I pity the desperation with which people hold to disproven beliefs, like those who continue to support a terrible man as president of their country that they claim to love.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
So, uhh, the intelligence guys grew a spine, started telling the boss the truth instead of what they knew he wanted to hear...

Or just changed their minds after getting over their complex about 9/11...

Used more rigorous analysis than the OSP...

And there's some problem with this?

Even Cheney had to man-up, kinda-sorta, while the keyboard warriors continue to whine about not gettng the war they wanted...

While Dubya claims ignorance, verifying the fact in ways he never intended and can't even imagine...

Growing a spine = inserting policy opinions into NIE? Uhh...ok :roll:

Anyway, we already have a thread on the NIE - and this thread seems to be about msnbc and their editorial shows. So whoever it was whining about shooting the messenger - guess what!? this IS about the messenger.
 
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