Wow.... My daughter may becoming Islamic

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Maxima1

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No, that rather describes the master race crowd. For example, your own previous link that shows differences to be quite regional, which must surely mean black people in some states evolved more than others LOL.

The score gap is roughly the same even in very different states (Wisconsin being the widest). How many times do I have to repeat this?

 

Maxima1

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This should be another thread.

Yes, it should, but don't care to start one. So I'll quit replying.

Edit: Btw, for the OP, I think it might have more to do with being sympathetic with blacks than thinking about converting to Islam. I see much more advocating better social justice for blacks, etc, so that might be why she showed an interest in those books if it isn't school related.
 

agent00f

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The score gap is roughly the same even in very different states (Wisconsin being the widest). How many times do I have to repeat this?

They certainly were different in literally your link. Repeating yourself isn't going to cure your ability to understand any of this stuff.

This should be another thread.

Rather fitting for master racers to drop everything else to focus on the important things.
 

x26

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Just found some books she is reading and they are all about Islam. I have mentioned before that her best friend is a black Muslim girl. My daughter is in 8th grade. The question is, should I intervene?

It may already be too late. Wow--Nation of Islam-Sorry.
 

1prophet

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You should believe that kind of thing regardless of whether you're religious or not. There's obviously no such thing as free will. We are just biological computers. That doesn't mean we just stop doing anything or that it's a free for all.

Without free will there is no responsibility or accountability, so you can conveniently use that as an excuse to rape, pillage, and plunder,

That "biological computer programming" is what men use to claim she enticed them to sex and they couldn't help themselves, also known as "boys will be boys"that is why women are told by these men that lack any self control they must cover up and it is their fault if something happens.
 

agent00f

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Without free will there is no responsibility or accountability, so you can conveniently use that as an excuse to rape, pillage, and plunder,

That "biological computer programming" is what men use to claim she enticed them to sex and they couldn't help themselves, also known as "boys will be boys"that is why women are told by these men that lack any self control they must cover up and it is their fault if something happens.

"Just biological computers" is something dumbshits who don't know much about biology or computers use to sound smart.
 

Maxima1

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Without free will there is no responsibility or accountability, so you can conveniently use that as an excuse to rape, pillage, and plunder,

That "biological computer programming" is what men use to claim she enticed them to sex and they couldn't help themselves, also known as "boys will be boys"that is why women are told by these men that lack any self control they must cover up and it is their fault if something happens.

So that's what you would do? You act as if it means brains wouldn't be able to reason. The accountability would be from me and others. If you did this, though, you would be fortunate that we wouldn't have much reason to meter out retributive justice. But we would need to keep your creepy and sick *** behind bars. Just a question, are you one of those creepy guys who would suggest on a survey they would rape if they knew they wouldn't be caught?

You realize how stupid what you say sounds? That's like the religious cranks who claim that people who don't believe in god should just murder, rape, etc. It's also like those who claim being gay is just a choice, which is just as easily refuted by asking when they themselves decided to be straight.

"Just biological computers" is something dumbshits who don't know much about biology or computers use to sound smart.

I didn't know Stephen Hawking or neuroscientists were "dumbshits".
 

agent00f

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So that's what you would do? You act as if it means brains wouldn't be able to reason. The accountability would be from me and others. If you did this, though, you would be fortunate that we wouldn't have much reason to meter out retributive justice. But we would need to keep your creepy and sick *** behind bars. Just a question, are you one of those creepy guys who would suggest on a survey they would rape if they knew they wouldn't be caught?

You realize how stupid what you say sounds? That's like the religious cranks who claim that people who don't believe in god should just murder, rape, etc. It's also like those who claim being gay is just a choice, which is just as easily refuted by asking when they themselves decided to be straight.

I didn't know Stephen Hawking or neuroscientists were "dumbshits".

Failing to correctly parrot what smart people posit doesn't make the parrot wannabe any less of a dumbshit.
 

Maxima1

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Failing to correctly parrot what smart people posit doesn't make the parrot wannabe any less of a dumbshit.

"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark" -- Hawking
 

agent00f

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"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark" -- Hawking

You must also believe many things in the world are cars given the amount of analogies containing them. I'd explain how analogies work but the result would be foregone conclusion.
 

agent00f

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What research have you even done on this? Because clearly you haven't done any other than showing you have a defiant personality disorder.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cogs.12012/abstract

I'm familiar enough to read the papers, and thus know that the hurr durr people are just 'puters crowd are too comically stupid to even understand the abstract:

"Then, we defend a weak version of computationalism—neural processes are computations in the generic sense. After that, we reject on empirical grounds the common assimilation of neural computation to either analog or digital computation, concluding that neural computation is sui generis."
 

Maxima1

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I'm familiar enough to read the papers, and thus know that the hurr durr Steven Hawking used some computer analogy crowd are too comically stupid to even understand the abstract:

"Then, we defend a weak version of computationalism—neural processes are computations in the generic sense. After that, we reject on empirical grounds the common assimilation of neural computation to either analog or digital computation, concluding that neural computation is sui generis."

That's not saying it isn't a "computer".This paper was claiming it is unique from analog or digital, while still being computational.

From elsewhere in the paper:

"Claiming that neural systems are analog computers is a strong empirical hypothesis."

That's why you're just an argumentative dolt.
 

agent00f

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That's not saying it isn't a "computer".This paper was claiming it is unique from analog or digital, while still being computational.

From elsewhere in the paper:

"Claiming that neural systems are analog computers is a strong empirical hypothesis."

That's why you're just an argumentative dolt.

The basic reality that neurons have deterministic qualities (like many natural processes) has zero relevance/relation to dumbshits who think a computer/afterlife analogy proves something here.
 

Maxima1

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The basic reality that neurons have deterministic qualities (like many natural processes) has zero relevance/relation to dumbshits who think a computer/afterlife analogy proves something here.

Put this one up your pipe and smoke it.

Harris: Let’s bring this into the domain of biology, because I’ve been hearing with increasing frequency the idea that biological systems and even brains do not process information, and that the analogy of the brain to a computer is no more valid than the analogy of it to a system of hydraulic pumps, or wheelworks powered by springs and gears, or a telegraph. As you know, these were all old analogies to the most current technology of the time. But there was an article in Aion magazine that probably a dozen people sent to me, which made this case very badly. And you and I spoke about this briefly when we first met. No one, to my knowledge, thinks that the brain is a computer in exactly the way our current computers are computers. We are not talking about Von Neumann architecture in our brains.

But the idea that the brain doesn’t process information at all, and that to claim that it does is just as crazy as claiming that it’s a mechanism of gears and springs, strikes me as fairly delusional. However, I keep meeting people who will argue this, and some of them have careers in science. So I was hoping we could talk a little bit about the ways in which biological systems, in particular brains, encode and transmit information.
 

agent00f

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Put this one up your pipe and smoke it.

Harris: Let’s bring this into the domain of biology, because I’ve been hearing with increasing frequency the idea that biological systems and even brains do not process information, and that the analogy of the brain to a computer is no more valid than the analogy of it to a system of hydraulic pumps, or wheelworks powered by springs and gears, or a telegraph. As you know, these were all old analogies to the most current technology of the time. But there was an article in Aion magazine that probably a dozen people sent to me, which made this case very badly. And you and I spoke about this briefly when we first met. No one, to my knowledge, thinks that the brain is a computer in exactly the way our current computers are computers. We are not talking about Von Neumann architecture in our brains.

But the idea that the brain doesn’t process information at all, and that to claim that it does is just as crazy as claiming that it’s a mechanism of gears and springs, strikes me as fairly delusional. However, I keep meeting people who will argue this, and some of them have careers in science. So I was hoping we could talk a little bit about the ways in which biological systems, in particular brains, encode and transmit information.

Are you arguing you don't know that mechanical computing is equivalent to electrical or that Sam Harris doesn't? That's a rhetorical question, because Sam Harris parrots are too stupid to know anyway.

You seem willing to go to great lengths to pretend at some intelligence when it's evidently only ever been a lifelong exercise in failure.
 

Maxima1

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Are you arguing that you don't know that mechanical computing is equivalent to electrical or that Sam Harris doesn't? That's a rhetorical question, because Sam Harris parrots are likely too stupid to know anyway.

You seem willing to go to great lengths to pretend at some intelligence when it's evidently only ever been a lifelong exercise in failure.

You ask an irrelevant question and expect me to take you seriously? Good day sir. Your brain certainly is made of ****, so you may be partially correct that some people have brains that don't do any computation and have any memory capacity.
 

agent00f

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You ask an irrelevant question and expect me to take you seriously? Good day sir. Your brain certainly is made of ****, so you may be partially correct that some people have brains that don't do any computation and have any memory capacity.

Just because you'll never understand what the question gets at doesn't mean much, that's entirely expected as mentioned from some dunning kruger stereotype. You're just content enough to find some reference to brain and computer in the same paragraph.
 

Maxima1

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Just because you'll never understand what the question gets at doesn't mean much, that's entirely expected as mentioned from some dunning kruger stereotype. You're just content enough to find some reference to brain and computer in the same paragraph.

lol Using Dunning-Kruger when you haven't replied with anything technical at all.. No one thinks it's exactly like a digital computer of today when it's said that the brain is a "computer". Some brilliant people think the brain can be simulated in a computer. With your **** for brains, they're "dumbshits" too, right? lmao

http://www.businessinsider.com/is-your-brain-just-a-meat-computer-2016-6
 

agent00f

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lol Using Dunning-Kruger when you haven't replied with anything technical at all.. No one thinks it's exactly like a digital computer of today when it's said that the brain is a "computer". Some brilliant people think the brain can be simulated in a computer. With your **** for brains, they're "dumbshits" too, right? lmao

http://www.businessinsider.com/is-your-brain-just-a-meat-computer-2016-6

As mentioned, only the tards parroting things they can't possibly understand are the dumbshits. The CS guy in the link is arguing that in some theoretical sense it should be possible to simulate all the atoms in a brain, presumably incl the wavefunctions, which is a pretty trivial statement that has zero bearing on neuroscience or the brain as he acknowledges himself.

what was this thread about?

The thread as many are is about just how reliably dumb conservatives are.
 

SNC

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The Koran is just a book rather similar to the Bible. The smart people are well aware of the limitations of archaic texts.

Hmmm So who is it again that is in charge of changing the text or meaning of the text? Is there a general consensus required or is everyone permitted to make up shit as they go? Religion is not an all you can eat buffet where you can pick and choose what you like.
 

agent00f

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Hmmm So who is it again that is in charge of changing the text or meaning of the text? Is there a general consensus required or is everyone permitted to make up shit as they go? Religion is not an all you can eat buffet where you can pick and choose what you like.

The koran is by definition not changed if his daughter is reading that. It's unclear what that analogy is supposed to accomplish except an homage to Ted Stevens.
 
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Hmmm So who is it again that is in charge of changing the text or meaning of the text? Is there a general consensus required or is everyone permitted to make up shit as they go? Religion is not an all you can eat buffet where you can pick and choose what you like.
Sure it is. Religion has functioned in a pick and choose fashion throughout history. It still does today.
 
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