Wow.... My daughter may becoming Islamic

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So far no one has really used any rationality here in arguing otherwise. It is all knee-jerk irrationality, PC platitudes.

yea, I know, I just used logic and numbers to disprove your ideology, other than that you have a solid case.

 

[desura]

yea, I know, I just used logic and numbers to disprove your ideology, other than that you have a solid case.

No you did not. It was knee-jerk and two sentences long.

 

[mrjminer]

She's your kid, so the choice is yours, but I think you are an entirely unsalvageable moron if you choose not to confront your child on something like this to find out what exactly is going on. For instance, questions I think you'd probably want to find out the answer to:

Who gave her the books?
Why is she reading the books?
Why is she not telling you she is reading the books / hiding them from you?
What is she doing when she is hanging out at her friend's and who else is there? What influence have they had on her reading the books?
Has she read about any other religions? If so, why not?

Religion is not necessarily a cult, but it is cult-like, especially when you have adults influencing children -- or adults getting their children to influence other children. There is a difference between respecting beliefs and someone trying to convert your child to a religion, which appears to be what is going on. Eighth grade is too young to make a decision like that against your (ie: the parent's) core beliefs without your full knowledge of the circumstances.

Either way, you should talk to your daughter and force some answers out of her. Personally, if it were my daughter, I would get to the bottom of this and expose her to other religions if she actually was interested and help her make a decision, regardless of what that may be. If you are an atheist, she probably doesn't know much about the others, and she should make an informed decision.

Also, I'd probably have some words for whatever dickhead adult was going around pushing religion on my children without my knowledge if that were the case, and possibly result in forcing her to not hang out with her friend if I couldn't trust the people around her / trust that her friend isn't being instructed by her parents to do shit like con her friends.

Frankly, it is NOT normal to start reading religious books at her age just because she knows someone that is religious, especially without you knowing about it, too. Something is amiss. Don't let your daughter be controlled by people other than you in order to satisfy the liberal agenda some of the fuckheads on this forum push. She's your daughter, act like it.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

No you did not. It was knee-jerk and two sentences long.

ok, sorry, I have in a different thread. the number of radicalized muslim extremists is less than 1% of the muslim population.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Secu...im-extremists-are-there-Just-the-facts-please

but then again, you probably believe drumpf had 1.5 million people at his inauguration

 

[desura]

ok, sorry, I have in a different thread. the number of radicalized muslim extremists is less than 1% of the muslim population.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Secu...im-extremists-are-there-Just-the-facts-please

but then again, you probably believe drumpf had 1.5 million people at his inauguration

I'm anti-Trump.

I've gone over this before, but there is a stunning amount of equivocation among "moderate" muslims when you really get into it. Especially regarding Palestinian terrorism. There is commonly deflection to Tim McVeigh or the Westboro Baptist Church but really very little shame or genuflection that their co-religionists are doing what they do.

To the OP, read this:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazin...-american-leader-in-the-islamic-state/510872/

 

[twjr]

I am broadly anti-religious and if that makes me a bigot then so be it. Shame and ridicule won't change my opinion that religion was, and unfortunately still is, one most damaging inventions man has latched onto.

To the OP. Simply talk to your daughter. Personally I think children should be free from proselytisation until say 18. A broad objective education of religion, sure. Ultimately she is your child and you chose how to raise her.

 

[Jaskalas]

Just found some books she is reading and they are all about Islam. I have mentioned before that her best friend is a black Muslim girl. My daughter is in 8th grade. The question is, should I intervene?

You should search for an understanding. And if in that process you come across anything that seems... harmful, you should appeal to any previous moral teachings but tread carefully. At that age the peers are the ones who complete the process of raising a child. You really are just a passenger now in your daughter's life.

Understand the influence and its purpose. For all you know a teacher gave them the assignment and the friend was happy to help.

 

[Maxima1]

Yeah, take advice from our local bigot. Lol

I'd certainly talk to her but not because I would want to discourage her but rather to see what she is learning and what is behind her new found fascination.

Sounds like you've got a child who is curious about the world and that's a good thing.

lmao Islam is trash founded by a **** warlord.

 

[Maxima1]

You're a bigot.

 

[desura]

I am broadly anti-religious and if that makes me a bigot then so be it. Shame and ridicule won't change my opinion that religion was, and unfortunately still is, one most damaging inventions man has latched onto.

To the OP. Simply talk to your daughter. Personally I think children should be free from proselytisation until say 18. A broad objective education of religion, sure. Ultimately she is your child and you chose how to raise her.

I have come to the belief that religion is the glue which made civil society and civilization possible. Otherwise, life would just be a jungle.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/223442/clain-islamist-terror-france

Converts are the worst. Family tradition is good and fine, but converts disproportionately end up in bad places.

 

[Moonbeam]

So far no one has really used any rationality here in arguing otherwise. It is all knee-jerk irrationality, PC platitudes.

Always is to a bigot.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

becoming religious is effectively starting the process of dismissing any and all facts in life.

It's one thing to be like most christians and say "I dun believe in god and Jesus" and that's all they know or do or care about it. It's another thing to live your life studying a book that belongs in the fiction section of every book store, taking the passages literally, and performing acts that are described in them.

 

[justoh]

Do you care about your daughter, OP? You must do. So, troll thread? You obviously already know what to do.

 

[Jaskalas]

Do you care about your daughter, OP? You must do. So, troll thread? You obviously already know what to do.

Please, how to approach complex relationship situations hardly deserves the neanderthalic black and white response.
Hulk smash is not the answer. If you care enough to post a reply, then care enough to provide a real response for him.

 

[justoh]

Please, how to approach complex relationship situations hardly deserves the neanderthalic black and white response.
Hulk smash is not the answer. If you care enough to post a reply, then care enough to provide a real response for him.

Maybe if it didn't seem so much like a troll thread. His last thread was ostensibly about the democratic party being less favorable than trump and pence, but turned out to be youtube promotion, featuring some guy talking about an obscure, isolated poll from suffolk university, incidentally also answering his question posted about "how [it] could be."

Maybe also if the answer didn't seem so blatantly obvious. Of course you protect your children from harm.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You forgot to call me a SJW. You fail.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I have come to the belief that religion is the glue which made civil society and civilization possible. Otherwise, life would just be a jungle.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/223442/clain-islamist-terror-france

Converts are the worst. Family tradition is good and fine, but converts disproportionately end up in bad places.

And still a bigot.

 

[Moonbeam]

Just found some books she is reading and they are all about Islam. I have mentioned before that her best friend is a black Muslim girl. My daughter is in 8th grade. The question is, should I intervene?

I can see your quandary and it strikes me as a difficult but very important one to get right, so much so in fact that given my distance from any personal relationship with her, I could not in good conscience presume to advise you. I hope you will always love her whatever road she takes.

 

[Moonbeam]

And still a bigot.

Bigotry is asshole insurance. It allows you to be an asshole without knowing it. Everybody else can tell a bigot but you can't tell them much.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Yeah, Islam is the worst religion in the world. That isn't really that tough a statement to make. Even if it had a golden age or whatever way back when, today it is increasingly Saudi-centric and extremist. And converts to Islam have gone on to be the worst people because converts to any religion tend to be the most fanatical and literal. So no, conversion to Islam is not something that is normal or good or whatever.

Even if it's true that conversion to Islam has the worst life outcomes of any religious conversion among Westerners, it's still far less risky behavior than, say, school sports, crossing streets, or going swimming.

 

[justoh]

Even if it's true that conversion to Islam has the worst life outcomes of any religious conversion among Westerners, it's still far less risky behavior than, say, school sports, crossing streets, or going swimming.

Absolutely. Every time I cross the street I'm overwhelmed by messaging that women are inferior to men. That's why i go the long way around. I started using boats when I realized that swimming instructs us to love someone whom we fear.

 

[cytg111]

Just found some books she is reading and they are all about Islam. I have mentioned before that her best friend is a black Muslim girl. My daughter is in 8th grade. The question is, should I intervene?

YES. Any trap of the mind is a trap of the mind. And look up. Someone is pushing this, she may be the instigator but someone is guiding her. Get up.

 

[agent00f]

I have come to the belief that religion is the glue which made civil society and civilization possible. Otherwise, life would just be a jungle.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/223442/clain-islamist-terror-france

Converts are the worst. Family tradition is good and fine, but converts disproportionately end up in bad places.

Absolutely. Every time I cross the street I'm overwhelmed by messaging that women are inferior to men. That's why i go the long way around. I started using boats when I realized that swimming instructs us to love someone whom we fear.

The most backwards white people loves to brag out how much better they are than the most backwards brown counterparts, and vice versa. Pretty clear pattern to be observed here to all but that lot.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Frankly, it is NOT normal to start reading religious books at her age just because she knows someone that is religious, especially without you knowing about it, too. Something is amiss. Don't let your daughter be controlled by people other than you in order to satisfy the liberal agenda some of the fuckheads on this forum push. She's your daughter, act like it.

Actually, intelligent kids tend to show more interest in understanding the world around them. It's the underdevelopped apes that only want to watch sports and stuff like that.

You assumed that she's 'hiding' the books, that she hasn't read anything about other religions and that she didn't tell him about what she's reading. Did you at that age tell your parents everything you did?

If her friend has another cultural background she might simply want to know more about it. And even if she's interested in the religion itself it doesn't need to be a problem as long as her dad helps educate her regarding the different Islamic groups so she can learn to distinguish the normal people from the extremists. I'd rather have a daughter that is a peaceful Muslim than one that is a Trump supporter.

 

[Maxima1]

The most backwards white people loves to brag out how much better they are than the most backwards brown counterparts, and vice versa. Pretty clear pattern to be observed here to all but that lot.

Why do you always say "white people", but not "brown people"? Also, anyone can be Muslim, so that accusation is idiotic. Islam is ****** than Christianity with even more ridiculous verses on eternal damnation, stupid comments on women, and just simply more barbaric ****. Anyone who follows Islam is complicit is spreading ****..Funny how the same dolts will say Ivanka is complicit in enabling Trump, though. .