Wow.... My daughter may becoming Islamic

[snarfbot]

This is clearly a troll thread, just baiting people so that the sjw's can call them bigots. That said, the proper response would be to sever the Muslim friendship and homeschool the daughter a year or 2. Maybe move.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Eh, thing is religions are basically group selection institutions where people can form social bonds and from there get stuff done, whether it is from the emotional benefit of being together in a non-commercial space, or from forging commonalities and favor-granting friends.

I argue that on an aesthetic and humanist level, Islam is simply unattractive and uninteresting. Covering the head like that of women is basically the same thing as when the Army forces people to wear their hats and helmets.

So you're ok with your version of indoctrination.

Or getting paid to perform government duties.

Cool

 

[Moonbeam]

I looked up the meaning of Islam on the internet and it says that Islam is the surrender to the Will of God. Have any of you bigots or religion haters ever considered what it would be here that you hate. What would a person be like who has surrendered to the Will of God and also believes that nothing, not one tittle or jot can happen that is not His Will. If you believe those things than you believe that everything that happens happens exactly as as was intended. What a beautiful state of bliss. Everything that happens is perfect and according to divine plan. There is nothing on earth to complain about, Not one thing can be criticized. There is nothing that happens that can make you sad. This is what it means to be a saint. And the other fucking amazing thing is, this is exactly how it is. Islam,, it would seem is a statement of the highest truth because everything happens exactly as it must

 

[boomerang]

Get her a book on FGM and see what she thinks about that. If you can find one that also covers honor killings that would be even better.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I looked up the meaning of Islam on the internet and it says that Islam is the surrender to the Will of God. Have any of you bigots or religion haters ever considered what it would be here that you hate. What would a person be like who has surrendered to the Will of God and also believes that nothing, not one tittle or jot can happen that is not His Will. If you believe those things than you believe that everything that happens happens exactly as as was intended. What a beautiful state of bliss. Everything that happens is perfect and according to divine plan. There is nothing on earth to complain about, Not one thing can be criticized. There is nothing that happens that can make you sad. This is what it means to be a saint. And the other fucking amazing thing is, this is exactly how it is. Islam,, it would seem is a statement of the highest truth because everything happens exactly as it must

We may have this all wrong you know. The girl's friend is a black Muslim. Maybe she doesn't want Islam, but an extra shot of melatonin.

 

[Maxima1]

I looked up the meaning of Islam on the internet and it says that Islam is the surrender to the Will of God. Have any of you bigots or religion haters ever considered what it would be here that you hate. What would a person be like who has surrendered to the Will of God and also believes that nothing, not one tittle or jot can happen that is not His Will. If you believe those things than you believe that everything that happens happens exactly as as was intended. What a beautiful state of bliss. Everything that happens is perfect and according to divine plan. There is nothing on earth to complain about, Not one thing can be criticized. There is nothing that happens that can make you sad. This is what it means to be a saint. And the other fucking amazing thing is, this is exactly how it is. Islam,, it would seem is a statement of the highest truth because everything happens exactly as it must

You should believe that kind of thing regardless of whether you're religious or not. There's obviously no such thing as free will. We are just biological computers. That doesn't mean we just stop doing anything or that it's a free for all.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You should believe that kind of thing regardless of whether you're religious or not. There's obviously no such thing as free will. We are just biological computers. That doesn't mean we just stop doing anything or that it's a free for all.

We are entities which can have some functions duplicated by computers. No one has a demonstrable answer to the age old question of free will. You are not your grandfather's slide rule.

 

[Exterous]

Just found some books she is reading and they are all about Islam. I have mentioned before that her best friend is a black Muslim girl. My daughter is in 8th grade. The question is, should I intervene?

Of course - thats your job as a parent. If she's interested and you don't talk to her she'll likely seek out sources of information and those sources may have a strong bias. I don't have kids but I would be wary of any interest that has a well defined path towards subservience to a man

 

[mrjminer]

Actually, intelligent kids tend to show more interest in understanding the world around them. It's the underdevelopped apes that only want to watch sports and stuff like that.

You assumed that she's 'hiding' the books, that she hasn't read anything about other religions and that she didn't tell him about what she's reading. Did you at that age tell your parents everything you did?

If her friend has another cultural background she might simply want to know more about it. And even if she's interested in the religion itself it doesn't need to be a problem as long as her dad helps educate her regarding the different Islamic groups so she can learn to distinguish the normal people from the extremists. I'd rather have a daughter that is a peaceful Muslim than one that is a Trump supporter.

You obviously didn't read my post and are just spouting bullshit, or are too incompetent to comprehend it. In any event, your post is 100%, grade F bullshit. Go try to convince other people to convert their kids to your preferred religion, whatever that may be. I'll continue to attempt to convince people to responsibly parent their children and take an active role in what they're doing.

 

[Maxima1]

We are entities which can have some functions duplicated by computers. No one has a demonstrable answer to the age old question of free will. You are not your grandfather's slide rule.

There is no causa sui, so it's impossible. Most neuroscientists don't believe it exist and studies suggest that it doesn't happen (e.g. magnetic stimulation makes people choose to use right/left hand more often even though they think they made the decision themselves).

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There is no causa sui, so it's impossible. Most neuroscientists don't believe it exist and studies suggest that it doesn't happen (e.g. magnetic stimulation makes people choose to use right/left hand more often even though they think they made the decision themselves).

There's a problem with completeness or lack thereof. Neuroscientists have a rough form neurologically but the details are not sufficient to make a definite claim to the satisfaction of many.

"Merely biological computers"- Well that raises some questions of which one is whether minds are algorithmic in nature and amenable to coding. Then there's the question of determinism itself. Can a given mind even in principle be duplicated?

At the risk of talking about things in my "cool" category, there is a fellow, David Hoftstadter, who was co-writer of a book in the early '80s, "The Mind's I"

Here is a link to "A conversation with Einstein's brain" which deals with some of what I was referring to. http://themindi.blogspot.com/2007/02/chapter-26-conversation-with-einsteins.html

I'll leave it at that, but I found it an amusing approach.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Heaven forbid the op's daughter reads about the tenets of a religion. Never let education get in the way of hate.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Heaven forbid the op's daughter reads about the tenets of a religion. Never let education get in the way of hate.

Sorry you aren't allowed to voice an opinion. You see, Muslims want to blow people up so the OP is naturally concerned. Following that logic you are a Christian and the box you are put in means you must hate everyone else and your statement breaks expectations. You aren't allowed to confuse people that way.

I mean it just makes sense, right?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Sorry you aren't allowed to voice an opinion. You see, Muslims want to blow people up so the OP is naturally concerned. Following that logic you are a Christian and the box you are put in means you must hate everyone else and your statement breaks expectations. You aren't allowed to confuse people that way.

I mean it just makes sense, right?

Burn the books!
Am I doing it right?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Burn the books!
Am I doing it right?

Yes. Just remember the magic number 451.

 

[Homerboy]

No -- you discuss with her and help her decide what is right for HER. Not what is right for you or the person next door or down the street.
If she is looking for religion, that is her choice. Religion can be fine when applied properly.
Are you scared of the "Muslim" part? or the "Religion" part?



(Trick question -- it shouldn't matter)

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Little disappointed it's taken this long but someone has to do it.

 

[HomerJS]

My advice...

engage.

 

[justoh]

No -- you discuss with her and help her decide what is right for HER. Not what is right for you or the person next door or down the street.
If she is looking for religion, that is her choice. Religion can be fine when applied properly.
Are you scared of the "Muslim" part? or the "Religion" part?



(Trick question -- it shouldn't matter)

True. Good advice. It may be right for an 8-year-old to believe in hell and an invisible fascist who could send her there if she thinks the wrong thing. It may be right for her to believe herself to be an inferior creation. It's right to appeal to her credulity instead of teaching her skepticism. All good stuff. Child abuse may be fine, when applied properly.

 

[bshole]

First off, not a troll thread. Second, she was NOT hiding the books, they were sitting on the kitchen table, I wasn't clear on that. Third the books were on Elijah Mohammed. Apparently he was involved in the Nation of Islam, a black rights movement. She got interested in this person because her best friend's mom gave a presentation about him which my daughter attended.

So this girl is very intelligent and a very highly motivated student (she wants to be a doctor). She does far better in school than my daughter. When my wife was hospitalized for a month in January, she and her mother sent cards and food. Basically they are good decent folks.

 

[Perknose]

I tolerate Muslims and I can appreciate it for what it is.

But it is still the worst religion in the world.

In America, I'm going with either Scientology or Extreme Fundamentalist Christianity. Oh . . . I forgot . . . you're not interested in any dialogue here, you're just a bigot.

 

[Homerboy]

First off, not a troll thread. Second, she was NOT hiding the books, they were sitting on the kitchen table, I wasn't clear on that. Third the books were on Elijah Mohammed. Apparently he was involved in the Nation of Islam, a black rights movement. She got interested in this person because her best friend's mom gave a presentation about him which my daughter attended.

So this girl is very intelligent and a very highly motivated student (she wants to be a doctor). She does far better in school than my daughter. When my wife was hospitalized for a month in January, she and her mother sent cards and food. Basically they are good decent folks.

Of course she's a good kid @bshole she's from the right state

That being said, your best avenue with her is to discuss religion with her - not promoting it and not condemning it. Just an open, free discussion. Kids are amazingly smart if you give them the avenue to express their thoughts and to discuss those thoughts with them honestly and openly.

 

[Perknose]

This is clearly a troll thread, just baiting people so that the sjw's can call them bigots.

Bigot.

 

[desura]

Along the lines of "have you really thought this through?" Spring and summer should be here soon, and if she really is serious about converting, buy her one of these:

And then play strict Muslim with her. Going to the grocery store? Has to wear it. Going to the mall? Wear it. She wears it while hiking or biking outside. Be tolerant and respectful of her at all times of course, but just let her squirm from the discomfort of her own choices.

 

[piasabird]

Well as a parent of a minor, the parent can refuse to let the minor read the material. You could box the materials up and take them all back to your daughter's friend. However, your daughter may take this in a bad way and do the opposite of what you want anyway. Of course you could also gather up some articles of how Muslims rape Christian Women, wear burgas that cover their whole body and they must have a male excort to leave the house and that they can not drive, vote or open a bank account, and that they are not allowed to vote or own property.

Tell your daughter if she wants to be a Muslim to go and buy a Burqa and wear it to school every day.