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Munky

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According to that site, we don't have paid paternity leave either. So "equality", and all that crap. Or are only females entitled to spend time with their kids?
 

Newbian

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According to that site, we don't have paid paternity leave either. So "equality", and all that crap. Or are only females entitled to spend time with their kids?

Equal pay should mean equal vacation time but it doesn't thus why women get paid less.

Also it needs to be given for both people with and without kids or again you are screwing out a group.
 

Whiskey16

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Equal pay should mean equal vacation time but it doesn't thus why women get paid less.

Also it needs to be given for both people with and without kids or again you are screwing out a group.
Maternity/Paternity is not a 'vacation' nor classified and regulated as such in any of the jurisdictions presented in this thread.

No infant adoption nor birth? Then no need for parental leave for the necessary care and particularly physical recuperation and breast feeding care by the mother.. To relegate it as simply a scam for 'vacation' and therefore such leave to be available to anyone, is a truly idiotic and dishonest argument.

The above is yet another example of silly semantics born out of ignorance and disinterest upon the accurate practice of the specific topic.

Newbian, thank you for playing and continuing the P&N's common trend of stupefying discussion to ideological and nonsensical soundbites.

In an effort to negate the trend of simple and inaccurate posts, I repeat:

The Globe and Mail

Maternity leave basics: Canada vs. the U.S.

Maternity and parental benefits provided for the birth or adoption of a baby varies wildly from country to country. The United States is part of a very exclusive group – but not for the reasons you might suspect. It shares the spotlight with Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, Liberia and Lesotho as one of the only countries in the world that doesn’t mandate some type of paid maternity leave for new mothers according to a study done by McGill University’s Institute for Health and Social Policy. In fact, when compared to its northern neighbour, the U.S. maternity leave policy is embarrassingly sparse.

Here are some of the big differences between the two countries.

Canada

The Canadian government mandates both a leave and a benefits component, the latter being administered by provincial employment insurance plans. Depending on the length of employment history and the hours worked, new mothers can take between 17 and 52 weeks of leave from their jobs. Their employers are required to accept the employees back into their jobs, or the equivalent, at the end of the mandated leave at the same rate of pay with the same employment benefits.

On top of mandating maternity leave, the government offers paid leave for
one or both parents through Canada’s employment insurance plan. A pregnant employee or new mother can take a paid maternity leave of up to 15 weeks. Either the mother or father can take 35 weeks of parental leave after the baby is born or adopted. The parents can share the leave however they choose. If eligible for the program, the benefits equal 55 per cent of the parent’s average weekly insurable wage, up to a maximum of $485 per week. For low-income families, the rate of benefits can increase to up to 80 per cent, with the same maximum of $485 per week. Employment insurance benefits are taxable in the same way as wages.

United States

In the U.S., the picture for families-to-be is very different. The federal Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) signed into law in 1993 requires employers to provide up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave for several medical conditions, as well as the birth of a baby. If the mother has pre-birth complications, she may be able to take part of the leave under the medical component. Before the law was enacted, the U.S. had no laws requiring that employers provide any leave. There are still gaping holes in the FMLA, however. It exempts small employers, defined as those having fewer than 50 employees. Some states have their own version of the FMLA and have an even lower threshold for employer exemption.

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The Bottom Line

The U.S. has one of the poorest support systems for pregnant women and new mothers in the world. The Canadian system, on the other hand, provides at least a partial ongoing income for almost a year to give families time to adjust to the new addition, as well as a guarantee of re-employment after a lengthy leave.
The USA is a relatively undeveloped and uncivilised regressive -- an outlier in this world of for more numerous civilised states. Yet most here are so ideologically uptight and ideologically dismissive to the costs for lacking paid leave that they destructively uphold an unsupportable pride in keeping their state down to the levels of Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, Liberia and Lesotho...
 
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J-Money

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Read first half of thread and realized many retards who don't understand how maternity works in Canada.

So not sure if in last half any of the people complaining against maternity leave (in Canada) figure out yet that you only get maternity leave AFTER YOU PAY INTO IT FOR A SPECIFIED TIME (EI).

It is not paid by the company. It is not paid by you supporting other people. It is paid by them paying into EI as they work.

Someone with no children pays into EI in case they get laid off and need to collect it while looking for a job. Someone who is going to have children pays into it to get maternity leave.

If you don't work enough hours, you don't get it.

Women get the first 15 weeks after birth to care for child. The next 35 can be taken by either Mom or Dad equally, but not both at the same time.
 

mikeymikec

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I have a disdain for feminists who expect me to pay for their ideology.

Women wanted to be independent. And now they are throwing a fit about the consequences.

1 - a woman who wants to have (or has) a child is a feminist?

2 - Bringing up a child reasonably decently is actually a benefit to society. Helping people do that up to a point obviously increases the chance of that benefit to society.

You pay for other people's choices and misfortunes all the time, in most forms of insurance and in taxes. When you need help, others do the same for you. Get over it, or perhaps you should research methods of becoming even more selfish than you already are; you know, really embrace your meaner side.

I'm reading "A Christmas Carol" at the moment (something you probably consider to be liberal/communist propaganda), and this passage reminded me of people like you. On Christmas Eve:

"You'll want all day to-morrow, I suppose?", said Scrooge.
"If quite convenient, sir."
"It's not convenient," said Scrooge, "and it's not fair. If I was to stop a half-a-crown for it, you'd think yourself ill-used, I'll be bound?"
The clerk smiled faintly.
"And yet," said Scrooge, "you don't think me ill-used, when I pay a day's wages for no work."
The clerk observed that it was only once a year.
"A poor excuse for picking a man's pocket every twenty-fifth of December!"
 
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Sea Ray

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Pretty sure that had nothing to do with it.
How are you coming to that conclusion?

It's not a controversial statement. Check your American history textbooks. The colonists didn't want to be like any country in Europe. They wanted to try what George Washington called the grand experiment
 

Veliko

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It's not a controversial statement. Check your American history textbooks. The colonists didn't want to be like any country in Europe. They wanted to try what George Washington called the grand experiment

This is just bizarre. The way some people talk about the original colonists to the US, anyone would think that no mass-migrations had ever happened before in the history of mankind.

"Hmmm, I'm hungry - maybe I should have something to eat."
"No, it's what those bastards in Europe do! We should pray and masturbate instead."
 

Sea Ray

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The USA is a relatively undeveloped and uncivilised regressive -- an outlier in this world of for more numerous civilised states. Yet most here are so ideologically uptight and ideologically dismissive to the costs for lacking paid leave that they destructively uphold an unsupportable pride in keeping their state down to the levels of Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, Liberia and Lesotho...

America is one of the few developed nations that still believe in limited gov't, although I must say that concept has taken a hit since Jan 20, 2009. America is very hesitant to give its gov't the power to tell its privately owned businesses how to pay its employees. I don't want my gov't to tell me how much I have to pay my employee when she has a baby. That sounds great for the employee but it's a burden for the business
 

Sea Ray

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Pretty sure that had nothing to do with it.
How are you coming to that conclusion?

I don't know. It might have had something to do with the comments they directed at King George. They didn't want to be ruled by any European country. That's why they wrote their own Constitution
 

Matt1970

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This is just bizarre. The way some people talk about the original colonists to the US, anyone would think that no mass-migrations had ever happened before in the history of mankind.

"Hmmm, I'm hungry - why isn't the government feeding me?"

Fixed that for you
 

Sea Ray

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This is just bizarre. The way some people talk about the original colonists to the US, anyone would think that no mass-migrations had ever happened before in the history of mankind.

"Hmmm, I'm hungry - maybe I should have something to eat."
"No, it's what those bastards in Europe do! We should pray and masturbate instead."

I guess I need to dumb it down for you:

We as Americans have never been too swayed by "this is how Europe does it". Other European ideas like Communism and socialism haven't gone over too well here either
 

Orignal Earl

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It's not a controversial statement. Check your American history textbooks. The colonists didn't want to be like any country in Europe. They wanted to try what George Washington called the grand experiment

My history book starts a hundred years before GW was born.

Yes, the US was the first country to be formed "by the people, for the people"
But France for instance, was already leaning that way too

Also very interesting-

How Indians Influenced Modern America

In 1987, Cornell University held a conference on the link between the Iroquois' government and the U.S. Constitution. It was noted that the Iroquois Great Law of Peace "includes 'freedom of speech, freedom of religion ... separation of power in government and checks and balances."
Wow, checks and balances, freedom of speech and religion. Sounds awfully familiar.

http://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america_p2.html
 

Matt1970

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I guess I need to dumb it down for you:

We as Americans have never been too swayed by "this is how Europe does it". Other European ideas like Communism and socialism haven't gone over too well here either

The left want to re-write history because they don't like the fact America was founded by poeople fleeing the very government they now want to be more like.
 

Veliko

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I guess I need to dumb it down for you:

We as Americans have never been too swayed by "this is how Europe does it". Other European ideas like Communism and socialism haven't gone over too well here either

This is even more bizarre.
 

Orignal Earl

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The left want to re-write history because they don't like the fact America was founded by poeople fleeing the very government they now want to be more like.

The first settlers came to America to be able to practice their religion in peace.
The right wingers nowadays want everyone to follow their Christian ways
Talk about baloney...
 

Matt1970

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The first settlers came to America to be able to practice their religion in peace.
The right wingers nowadays want everyone to follow their Christian ways
Talk about baloney...

Put a sock in it, nobody is forcing you to go to church.
 

Whiskey16

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America is very hesitant to give its gov't the power to tell its privately owned businesses how to pay its employees. I don't want my gov't to tell me how much I have to pay my employee when she has a baby. That sounds great for the employee but it's a burden for the business
Do enjoy making garbage up to be argumentative?

Support this line of reasoning or retract crap. Quite an easy an honourable thing to do in a discussion.

Only a few posts above did J-Money a myself rail against this thread's retained and long disproved ideological fantasy. We provided clear and concise examples of a state with legislated maternity/paternity leave that also provides partial income support from government employment services as funded by WORKERS' payment from earned wages into an employment insurance fund.

Not businesses paying the employees wages while on leave. That is a embarrassing falsehood that you and many more stubbornly perpetuate. Is the P&N an example of insane ideology gone extreme? When knowledge and accurate perspective too often gets trumped in the noise of false and dumb soundbites? Is this a reflection of the USA and why it is such a regular laggard upon social rights and development?
 
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