wow Penryn benchy

[Hulk]

I like it when the manufacturers let their processor performance do the talking for them

Upon release Conroe did indeed show the massive performance gains over P4 that were indicated in the pre-release benches.

If Penryn can show 10% improvement clock-for-clock over Conroe while using less electricity, clocking higher, and having native quad core then I would think it to be a very good evolution of the Core line.

If Barcelona can beat Penryn then that will be fantastic.

There really is no down side to Penryn coming out as a great chip.

If Barcelona can't compete then we are all eventually going to be in trouble as Intel prices will climb and progress will begin to stall as long as Intel doesn't have any serious competition.

I for one am not looking forward to $500 entry level cpu-after-Penryn processors. If there is minimal competition for Intel's latest and greatest then they can continue to sell what is a little faster than AMD at the time at competitive prices and keep the really good stuff way to expensive. Like how the quad core is priced currently. Do you think there would be a $266 quad core on the way if there was no quad core Barcelona on the way?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: sayNOtoFSB
At least I am not operating incognito to fool ordinary consumer who seek info in forums like this. Another word, I am not like the Intel marketer thugs who hide under the enthusiast's veil spreading FUD on AMD. My alias proove it.

So mr troll.

Lets hear about AMDs superior products?

Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Quad currently dominate every market segment (hence $50 X2s), they overclock better, and they have better drivers for vista on Intel chipsets.

These are facts.

Penryn has been benchmarked pretty extensively and we know from these that Intel is garnering large IPC gains through a die shrink which increases the FSB and the cache size. On top of this IPC increase is a clock speed increase that will further widen the gap between Penryn and the current Core 2 line.

Another fact: The only reliable benches on Barcelona show it not even topping Conroe, let alone Penryn.

It's not the enthusiasts fault that AMD is dropping the ball both fiscally and technologically, and its not some big Intel consiracy to convince people that AMD sucks or Intel rules.

Another fact: Im posting this from an Athlon X-2.

 

[Comdrpopnfresh]

will we ever see a native quad-core conroe? Just thinking part of the increase in efficiency betwen PD and C2D was because of the native dual. So will native quad pop up (besides in barcelona?)

 

[HopJokey]

Originally posted by: Comdrpopnfresh
will we ever see a native quad-core conroe? Just thinking part of the increase in efficiency betwen PD and C2D was because of the native dual. So will native quad pop up (besides in barcelona?)

Next-gen Intel CPUs (Nehalem) will have non-MCM quad-cores.

 

[RampantAndroid]

if I may interject here to ask the question which may get me flamed....

I'd seen Q3 for Penryn (Yorkfield and Wolfdale) and I've seen July mentioned....can anyone clarify when Penryn will be available to custom builders (as opposed to system builders)?

Thanks.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Isnt it Q1 08?

Q3 and Q4 of 07 is the release timeframe of the 1333FSB Core 2 Duos (e.g E6850).

This is what im looking forward to from the penryn. (From ATs article.)

Intel EDAT: the End of the Multi-core Clock Speed Disadvantage?

Intel also talked about its "Enhanced Dynamic Acceleration Technology" which is effectively integrated overclocking based on load. If you are running a single threaded application (or a multi-threaded application that's predominantly using a single thread), Intel's EDAT can power down the second core and increase the frequency of the working core to maintain the same thermal envelope at all times.

Intel's EDAT could spell the end of the clock speed differential between single and multi-core processors. With all cores running workloads, the multi-core system would be clocked lower, but when some cores are idle the chip could potentially run at the same speed as a single core solution would. Single core designs have pretty much disappeared from roadmaps already, but considering there are still applications that are single threaded in nature and benefit more from clock speed improvements, future processors will offer both options in a single package.

and

With regards to power, Intel will be introducing what it is calling "Deep Power Down Technology", or a new lower power state, C6. The new C6 state reduces core voltage down to the absolute minimum for the given process technology, shuts down the core clock as well as turns off all of the caches. It is the absolute lowest power state that can be attained and will be introduced on Mobile Penryn family processors.

 

[RampantAndroid]

No, I do know they moved it up to some time in 2007....it USED to be 2008 a long time ago. I know some other ATers had pointed to Q3 2007, and had advised me to hold off on my system upgrade until Penryn.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
No, I do know they moved it up to some time in 2007....it USED to be 2008 a long time ago. I know some other ATers had pointed to Q3 2007, and had advised me to hold off on my system upgrade until Penryn.

Well what we do know is that the 1.33GHZ FSB Conroe are coming in July, Pneryn derivatives for the desktops are still not likely to be out till Q4 2007 and that is likely for XE parts. Expect mainstream cores to be coming out Q1 2008.

Though it is very likely possible that they could have moved it up to Q4 2007 if they so do desire.

Harpertown for sure is coming in H2 2007 which is the Quad Core Dual Processor segment.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Oh....well, then some people misled me a while back...I'd posted on a possible system upgrade - and i was looking at a 6700 I think....they told me to wait for Penryn in Q3 2007...is it worth waiting that long to upgrade, or should I just wait for the FSB bump to buy? (Current Motherboards won't run Penryn, will they?)

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
Oh....well, then some people misled me a while back...I'd posted on a possible system upgrade - and i was looking at a 6700 I think....they told me to wait for Penryn in Q3 2007...is it worth waiting that long to upgrade, or should I just wait for the FSB bump to buy? (Current Motherboards won't run Penryn, will they?)

If you want definite Penryn derivative upgradability you just need to get a P35 Express motherboard as those have 45nm support. You can get a E6750 in July and then buy Core 2 Quad 45nm in Q1 2008.

At least that is something like what I will be doing I current have a Via mobo with Core 2 and want to jump to P35 Express so I can be ready for 45nm Quad Core.

 

[formulav8]

Man oh man, I hope AMD takes back the crown so all of these Intel faniots will go back in the closet where they were the past few years. You Intel fannys are worse than Any AMD fanny. Most are even worse than the ATI/nVidia fannys. Its like you people have 3x years of being a loser to catch up on or something. Get a life, Intel doesn't have a single care for you. Intel is only a corporation and Penryn is only a cpu.

The anandtech forus are so cluttered with the fannys and makes people like me (who could care less about Intel/AMD and try to contribute to the good of the forums) not want to visit.

Just my opinion as usual :/


Jason

 

[RampantAndroid]

forumulav8, I'm not a intel fanboy. You however are an AMD fanboy it seems. How about you take this idea into consideration, if your pea sized brain can comprehend it: buy what is the best deal and serves your purposes. I have no problems buying AMD or Intel, ATi or nVidia - I buy what is best for my needs. At this point, nothing AMD has out, in either videocards or CPUs is of any interest to me.

I don't hate AMD at all, rather, I find I hate you. How about you go back into a closet?

 

[Amaroque]

Originally posted by: formulav8
Man oh man, I hope AMD takes back the crown so all of these Intel faniots will go back in the closet where they were the past few years. You Intel fannys are worse than Any AMD fanny. Most are even worse than the ATI/nVidia fannys. Its like you people have 3x years of being a loser to catch up on or something. Get a life, Intel doesn't have a single care for you. Intel is only a corporation and Penryn is only a cpu.

The anandtech forus are so cluttered with the fannys and makes people like me (who could care less about Intel/AMD and try to contribute to the good of the forums) not want to visit.

Just my opinion as usual :/


Jason

QFT!

My Conroe @ 2.8 GHz is faster than my Toledo @ 2.8 GHz... OK, and I can't "feel" a difference anyway.