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I thought Ads in live tiles were not allowed? or does that go for everyone but MS?

There are no ads in live tiles. There are a couple of apps that are included by default that have a single ad if you scroll all the way to right (these are the sports and news apps).

Always the MS apologist, I see.

To most normal people, when you install Windows, whatever "comes with Windows" (during an install), IS Windows.

So yes, it would be entirely correct to say, "Windows 8 has ads".

Whatever, I can state my opinion without being an "apologist" (the most over-used word on the internet today).

Windows is exactly what is needed to run. Those apps aren't required, you can uninstall them literally within 5 seconds and never see them again, and your ability to run Windows will not have been altered in the slightest bit. Those apps are not Windows, the OS itself is Windows.

I'm not a Microsoft apologist, I just think you're a typical Microsoft internet hater who looks for any reason to spout off. There's a lot wrong with W8, I don't care for a lot of the apps and the way they are set up. Most of them feel rushed and not well thought out. But you're getting your panties in a bunch because there's a small ad at the very end of a sports and news app that most people are likely to not even use. I'm going to guess you didn't even know they were there until you saw somebody else post about it.
 

Red Storm

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I'm not a Microsoft apologist, I just think you're a typical Microsoft internet hater who looks for any reason to spout off. There's a lot wrong with W8, I don't care for a lot of the apps and the way they are set up. Most of them feel rushed and not well thought out. But you're getting your panties in a bunch because there's a small ad at the very end of a sports and news app that most people are likely to not even use. I'm going to guess you didn't even know they were there until you saw somebody else post about it.

Thing is it does have an effect, because when I'm scrolling through the sports, news, and weather apps I see the scroll bar has only gone halfway so I'm thinking there's more useful info but actually it's just one ad and a giant waste of empty space next to it.

When I installed Windows, I found ads in my OS on a clean, fresh install. That's the simple truth. It's incredibly tacky, especially for a desktop OS that's supposed to surpass Win7.
 

Gooberlx2

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I think it's worth differentiating desktop applications and metro "apps". Built-in applications like notepad, calculator and windows media player do not contain ads. MS's metro music app does contain audio ads between songs. As a 1st party pre-installed item, I find that to be very tacky.
 
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I think it's worth differentiating desktop applications and metro "apps". Built-in applications like notepad, calculator and windows media player do not contain ads. MS's metro music app does contain audio ads between songs. As a 1st party pre-installed item, I find that to be very tacky.

The music app only contains ads between songs if you aren't a Xbox Music Pass subscriber. But let me guess, since the Music app was sitting on the start screen when you installed W8, the entire Xbox Music catalog should be yours to stream ad-free because you paid your $40 for the OS?
 

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Every OS that has come with a web browser has been "bundled with ads" (unless you never use it to go to public web sites or install ad block software , etc.)

Lets face it - that is what apps are becoming these days. Purpose built web browsers pre-configured to display a site's content.

If notepad came with ads, I could really understand complaints about it, but really what is being complained about are apps that are displaying content from MS web properties that would normally display ads (and more of them) if you went to them in a browser.
 

Nothinman

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Every OS that has come with a web browser has been "bundled with ads" (unless you never use it to go to public web sites or install ad block software , etc.)

Lets face it - that is what apps are becoming these days. Purpose built web browsers pre-configured to display a site's content.

If notepad came with ads, I could really understand complaints about it, but really what is being complained about are apps that are displaying content from MS web properties that would normally display ads (and more of them) if you went to them in a browser.

That's extremely disingenuous. IE itself doesn't come with ads and trying to spin the fact that most websites have ads so IE has them too is spin worthy of a White House spokesperson.

I can understand something like the music app playing ads unless you're a paid subscriber because of the cost of music licenses and how f'd up that industry is right now. But even that rings of the crapware that everyone complains about when Dell does the same thing. So why is it ok for MS to include advertisements in their base OS for paid subscription services but it's evil crapware when Dell includes an AOL icon?

Differentiating Metro apps from Windows apps is pointless and shouldn't happen. An app is an app regardless of the framework used, how the content is retrieved and formatted, etc. If we don't bitch now this environment will end up as bad as cable TV where we already get effectively double-billed with subscription fees and ads.
 

Gooberlx2

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The music app only contains ads between songs if you aren't a Xbox Music Pass subscriber. But let me guess, since the Music app was sitting on the start screen when you installed W8, the entire Xbox Music catalog should be yours to stream ad-free because you paid your $40 for the OS?

Uh...way to make assumptions. Playing ads in between my own local, not streaming, content is tacky. iTunes doesn't do this. Zune software never did this.
 
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Uh...way to make assumptions. Playing ads in between my own local, not streaming, content is tacky. iTunes doesn't do this. Zune software never did this.

I'm not getting that on my machine, just other Music app annoyances. All W8 machines are getting (I think) 6 months of free ad-supported music streaming. It's possible it is streaming the music you are listening to instead of playing it from your local machine.

Sorry to make assumptions, I'm just trying to help. If it's any consolation, I absolutely hate the Music app and am considering canceling my 6-year Zune pass/Xbox Music pass sub because of it.
 

cmdrdredd

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The music app is really poorly laid out. It's a nice idea but just doesnt work well for me. I still use itunes for most of my stuff anyway and always have access to pandora for streaming.
 

cmdrdredd

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Tapatalk wouldnt let me edit my last post so forgive the double posting here.

Maybe we will get lucky and google play music will show up, but with microsoft's restrictions in the app store I am not hopeful.
 

Gooberlx2

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I'm not getting that on my machine, just other Music app annoyances. All W8 machines are getting (I think) 6 months of free ad-supported music streaming. It's possible it is streaming the music you are listening to instead of playing it from your local machine.

Sorry to make assumptions, I'm just trying to help. If it's any consolation, I absolutely hate the Music app and am considering canceling my 6-year Zune pass/Xbox Music pass sub because of it.

No worries. I've since found the Music app's "matching" is spotty. Some albums are mixed with local content and 30 second previews, despite me having 100% complete and consistently tagged content. I believe this is my problem, and reviews for the app are saying much the same.

I didn't know about the 6 months free streaming. So maybe the albums where they have streaming agreements are getting the ads, and I can't tell what's local and what's not within the app.

I mean, I'll stick with iTunes (since I use the matching service), but I would definitely choose an alternative music app from the store until MS improves theirs.
 
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No worries. I've since found the Music app's "matching" is spotty. Some albums are mixed with local content and 30 second previews, despite me having 100% complete and consistently tagged content. I believe this is my problem, and reviews for the app are saying much the same.

I didn't know about the 6 months free streaming. So maybe the albums where they have streaming agreements are getting the ads, and I can't tell what's local and what's not within the app.

I mean, I'll stick with iTunes (since I use the matching service), but I would definitely choose an alternative music app from the store until MS improves theirs.

To see if a song is streaming or local, you have to drill down all the way to the song and right click, then you should see "Information" (or properties, can't remember) on the bottom bar. If it is streaming, it will specifically state as such (can't remember the exact verbage). If it's local, it doesn't say anything but the general info like artist, song, album, etc.

The Music has so many problems, I could literally write about 5 or 6 meaty paragraphs on why it sucks. But I won't get off topic.
 

mobly99

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That's extremely disingenuous. IE itself doesn't come with ads and trying to spin the fact that most websites have ads so IE has them too is spin worthy of a White House spokesperson.

I can understand something like the music app playing ads unless you're a paid subscriber because of the cost of music licenses and how f'd up that industry is right now. But even that rings of the crapware that everyone complains about when Dell does the same thing. So why is it ok for MS to include advertisements in their base OS for paid subscription services but it's evil crapware when Dell includes an AOL icon?

Differentiating Metro apps from Windows apps is pointless and shouldn't happen. An app is an app regardless of the framework used, how the content is retrieved and formatted, etc. If we don't bitch now this environment will end up as bad as cable TV where we already get effectively double-billed with subscription fees and ads.

I don't think it is disingenuous when you look at my whole statement. If an app that is essentially scraping a web site to present optimized content to you, and the original web site normally contains ads, why complain when that app includes ads as well? Are we expecting that just because something is called an app, the original content provider should be out their normal ad revenue?

I get ad content if I view anandtech forums in a browser. If anandtech creates a forum app for iOS, Android or WinRT, should they not include ads?

Is it different for you somehow when the content provider is also the maker of the OS? Because you buy a device with an OS and app provided by the same parent company, when you view that content that normally has ads when you view it in a browser, they should provide it for free?
 
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