Wow. Toyota to continue to sell new vehicles with recall without fix

[StageLeft]

in order for a 'negligence' lawsuit to be filed, something has to actually happen to someone.

Holy crap, you've solved it. Nobody even thought of that until you stated it. Certainly not me with if somebody dies above.

In all fairness, that Tacoma was doing a very rugged maneuver at the time. It was backing up in a parking lot.

I heard it was a collapsible frame they built into that gen of Tacomas to make shipping cheaper.

 

[PricklyPete]

I heard it was a collapsible frame they built into that gen of Tacomas to make shipping cheaper.

Oh man...is this a feature on the new Tacoma...I WANT! I could remove the bed at will. I've heard it is a feature they left off the 2005+ though...so I might be out of luck.

 

[Zenmervolt]

uh, when a new car gets unloaded at the dealer, it gets inspected, driven, and all open recalls and service campaigns get performed.

Sorry, but you're wrong.

A few years ago my father bought a Honda Pilot that had the transmission recall. Based on the VIN, it was affected by the recall when he bought it, but the dealer did not perform the recall service until he brought the vehicle in after purchase and specifically told them to.

While I'll be generous and assume that most dealerships will perform recalls if the recall occurs before the new vehicle comes to their lot (my father's Pilot was a demo that had been on the lot since before the recall was issued), service campaigns are definitely not performed. When I bought my Mustang in 2006, there were a couple of open service campaigns that were only performed after I brought the car back in and complained (in my case, the mal-adjusted LSD that groaned and the fuel pump cavitation issue).

ZV

 

[Gibson486]

uh, when a new car gets unloaded at the dealer, it gets inspected, driven, and all open recalls and service campaigns get performed. maybe don't make smart-ass posts regarding things you clearly know little about.

also, the reason no recall is being performed is because toyota has not yet made a fixed part. all they can do is swap the pedal assembly for a new one that will still eventually (possibly, supposedly) develop the defect. personally, i think toyota's legal team probably knows a little more about risk management than you guys. if they're selling the cars, it's because, surprise, nothing is going to happen.

They get inspected, but they do not have do recalls. 2 different things.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

They get inspected, but they do not have do recalls. 2 different things.

Shrug dealers are different, my VW dealer specifically mentioned they take care of all open recalls and TSBs before letting the cars hit the lot

 

[StageLeft]

Raise your hand if you love internet arguments!

*raises hand*

 

[brblx]

uh, how about 'raise your hand if you've done said PDI's and recalls prior to cars being sold.' and this is not limited to one make- the PDI sheet for every brand i've ever seen includes a tick mark for something along the lines of 'performed all open recalls and/or campaigns.' some cars made outside the US will even have open campaigns done at the port before being shipped to the dealer.

ZV, your condescension despite your apparent complete lack of experience never ceases to amaze.

 

[Zenmervolt]

uh, how about 'raise your hand if you've done said PDI's and recalls prior to cars being sold.' and this is not limited to one make- the PDI sheet for every brand i've ever seen includes a tick mark for something along the lines of 'performed all open recalls and/or campaigns.' some cars made outside the US will even have open campaigns done at the port before being shipped to the dealer.

ZV, your condescension despite your apparent complete lack of experience never ceases to amaze.

Yeah, I can't believe that I'm arrogant enough to provide two separate and verifiable experiences which are clear counterexamples to your blanket statement. What absolute gall to think that my own experiences are in any way as valid as your own.

The PDI sheet can have a line item for "place elephant in back seat" for all I care, the fact is that my own experience provides two concrete and verifiable examples in which cars bought new from dealerships were not made current on all open recalls or service campaigns.

Some dealers undoubtedly do perform all applicable recalls and service campaigns, but it's disingenuous (and flat-out wrong) for you to imply that this is in any way a universal practice.

ZV

 

[PhoKingGuy]

uh, how about 'raise your hand if you've done said PDI's and recalls prior to cars being sold.' and this is not limited to one make- the PDI sheet for every brand i've ever seen includes a tick mark for something along the lines of 'performed all open recalls and/or campaigns.' some cars made outside the US will even have open campaigns done at the port before being shipped to the dealer.

ZV, your condescension despite your apparent complete lack of experience never ceases to amaze.

Dealers are different, some more conscious than others. I noticed a guy at the Honda dealer near my house do a PDI and just mark everything off with just looking in the car for 5 minutes. lol

 

[zerocool84]

This should come as no surprise as Toyota's quality has gone down dramatically once they've gotten so huge.

 

[fleabag]

This should come as no surprise as Toyota's quality has gone down dramatically once they've gotten so huge.

I can agree with this... Honda is worse though as they've seem to have fallen almost with urgency.

 

[LTC8K6]

Vehicles and items of motor vehicle equipment that are subject to a recall, but not as yet sold to consumers, should be removed from sale as quickly as possible. As specified in 49 U.S.C. § 30112, 30116, and 30120, the recalled product cannot be sold until remedied.

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/documents/recompendium.pdf

 

[Vette73]

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/documents/recompendium.pdf

I think this is a voluntary recall. Not a Fed Gov forced recall.

 

[LTC8K6]

True, but I think the thread was concerning recalls in general.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Do you want to know what the recall is? Do you? I can tell you, but only if you ask.

 

[DonaldC]

Speaking of dealers inspecting new cars prior to selling them:
I bought a new '93 SC400 and on the way home, once I got on familiar roads, it seemed to ride a little too harshly. Checked the tire pressures and found all 4 were over 50psi. Don't know how much over as 50 was the top reading on the gauge. So much for the check list dealers use on new arrivals.

 

[PricklyPete]

Speaking of dealers inspecting new cars prior to selling them:
I bought a new '93 SC400 and on the way home, once I got on familiar roads, it seemed to ride a little too harshly. Checked the tire pressures and found all 4 were over 50psi. Don't know how much over as 50 was the top reading on the gauge. So much for the check list dealers use on new arrivals.

Maybe fleabag worked as a janitor there and "modded" all the cars for maximum cornering ability.

 

[spidey07]

AP breaking alert - Toyota tells US dealers to suspend selling of 8 models with accelerators that stick.

This is serious.

That should also put to rest the little spat that said the dealers had to repair them.

Press Release
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ends-sales-of-selected-vehicles-82724272.html

 

[vi edit]

AP breaking alert - Toyota tells US dealers to suspend selling of 8 models with accelerators that stick.

This is serious.

That should also put to rest the little spat that said the dealers had to repair them.

Press Release
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ends-sales-of-selected-vehicles-82724272.html

Just saw that on the news. That has to be some kind of precident unseen before. They haulted sales on almost half their product line.

Dealers must be crapping their pants.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Maybe fleabag worked as a janitor there and "modded" all the cars for maximum cornering ability.

<snicker>

 

[spidey07]

It hurts both sales and manufacturing. If there was a fix to be done at the dealership, if there is even a fix, they would do that instead.

 

[Iron Woode]

AP breaking alert - Toyota tells US dealers to suspend selling of 8 models with accelerators that stick.

This is serious.

That should also put to rest the little spat that said the dealers had to repair them.

Press Release
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ends-sales-of-selected-vehicles-82724272.html

saw that on our news here in Canada.

16 people have been killed because of these defects.

 

[vi edit]

The interesting part about this is that Audi had it's reputation marred for years after some old bat drove through a garage door blaming it on a stuck accellerator. There's been 16 deaths attributed to this problem with Toyota. The power of perception is huge.

I'm curious what the long term damage is to the brand with this ordeal.

 

[SparkyJJO]

The interesting part about this is that Audi had it's reputation marred for years after some old bat drove through a garage door blaming it on a stuck accellerator. There's been 16 deaths attributed to this problem with Toyota. The power of perception is huge.

I'm curious what the long term damage is to the brand with this ordeal.

Maybe it will at least wake people up to realize that no car maker is perfect.

 

[spidey07]

Maybe it will at least wake people up to realize that no car maker is perfect.

Nonsense! This is a supplier problem, toyota didn't do anything wrong and are merely taking care of their customers because they care about them so much.