WTF Apple?

IronWing

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The new iPhone 15 models make the switch from lightning to USB-C. The port supports USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10Gbps). The included USB-C cord, however, is rated to USB 2 (480 Mbps). On a $1000+ phone!
 

Shmee

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Overall this is a good change, just buy a decent cable. Simple.
 

manly

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If I recall from what I read somewhere else, only the 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max support the higher speeds. The regular 15 and the 15 Plus don't have the right chip to handle USB 3.1 speeds, so they're stuck at the old USB 2.0 standard.
It's not a discrete chip. The USB controller is on the SoC and Apple doesn't want the peons to get USB 3 just yet unless they pay more.

This is no different from the new 14" MacBook Pro coming with 8GB of RAM.
 

Exterous

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It's not a discrete chip. The USB controller is on the SoC and Apple doesn't want the peons to get USB 3 just yet unless they pay more.

This is no different from the new 14" MacBook Pro coming with 8GB of RAM.

Honestly, outside of a few use cases, most Mac users are fine with 8GB of RAM. We've helped deploy many thousands of Macs and the vast majority of people have no issues with 8GB.

Why the hell is any of this unexpected when you shop with Apple. I mean this is exactly how it works.
Well, and I say this as a long time Android user, it's still better than Google erasing your Pixel data or Samsung's bloated phones with terrible update support
 
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Well, and I say this as a long time Android user, it's still better than Google erasing your Pixel data or Samsung's bloated phones with terrible update support
They all suck. It's a competition to fuck over consumers just enough to maximize profit without having the customer tell them to go fuck themselves, and just do without. The devices are artificially shitified. For the same, or not much more money, they could make devices that work for the users, and have good long lifespans.
 
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KMFJD

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Honestly, outside of a few use cases, most Mac users are fine with 8GB of RAM. We've helped deploy many thousands of Macs and the vast majority of people have no issues with 8GB.


Well, and I say this as a long time Android user, it's still better than Google erasing your Pixel data or Samsung's bloated phones with terrible update support
From a corporate environment , i greatly appreciated the switch to IOS devices and the total ban of all android devices on our intune mdm . I was a huge android user before that and was plenty apprehensive about having to support them, turns out it was the biggest positive change i've seen in a long time, the shit just works for what we needed it to do, and i'm talking about having to support truck drivers that absolutely hated technology but with the ipads/phones it was simple and quick to fix, not perfect mind you but way easier than having to support Android tablets/phones.

/i did eventually buy an iphone/macbook air
//probably shouldn't have bought the macbook but it works well
 

MrSquished

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Honestly, outside of a few use cases, most Mac users are fine with 8GB of RAM. We've helped deploy many thousands of Macs and the vast majority of people have no issues with 8GB.


Well, and I say this as a long time Android user, it's still better than Google erasing your Pixel data or Samsung's bloated phones with terrible update support

Honestly, outside of a few use cases, most Mac users are fine with 8GB of RAM. We've helped deploy many thousands of Macs and the vast majority of people have no issues with 8GB.


Well, and I say this as a long time Android user, it's still better than Google erasing your Pixel data or Samsung's bloated phones with terrible update support
That was a bug that was terrible and they fixed it. It's not purposely trying to rip people off and put them in a walled garden.

Everybody has bugs out design flaws that are terrible. Apple was telling you how to hold your phone to get reception.

Anyways bugs are not comparable to purposely creating an insane wall garden and charging up the wazoo for everything. I mean keeping texting hostage which is one of the main ways we communicate today is just a horrific abuse of monopoly power. In addition to the price points. It's not the same as a mistake which is a bug.

Also by the way Samsung has created a much better update system. It's much faster and it lasts for more years. Maybe you're talking about Samsung from some years back.

I haven't used a Samsung phone in years but I do hear from a lot of x Samsung critics their newer one UI is actually much better.

They all suck for one reason or another but at least get the comparisons right. You missed the mark here.
 
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That was a bug that was terrible and they fixed it. It's not purposely trying to rip people off and put them in a walled garden.

Everybody has bugs out design flaws that are terrible. Apple was telling you how to hold your phone to get reception.

Anyways bugs are not comparable to purposely creating an insane wall garden and charging up the wazoo for everything. I mean keeping texting hostage which is one of the main ways we communicate today is just a horrific abuse of monopoly power. In addition to the price points. It's not the same as a mistake which is a bug.

Also by the way Samsung has created a much better update system. It's much faster and it lasts for more years. Maybe you're talking about Samsung from some years back.

I haven't used a Samsung phone in years but I do hear from a lot of x Samsung critics their newer one UI is actually much better.

They all suck for one reason or another but at least get the comparisons right. You missed the mark here.
The “hold your phone this way” was also like 10+ years ago. To be fair.
 

MrSquished

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The “hold your phone this way” was also like 10+ years ago. To be fair.
Batterygate was 2017

I see threads like this all over the tech interwebs and iPhone users complaining about bugs and also the insanely expensive and restrictive walled garden, all that exist today
but hey if you want to think Apple's shit don't stink, that's your call. in regards to this topic, Apple ripping people off with their walled garden hardware and software system is very very real. of course it would get deflected to Samsung and Google, who all have their flaws and shit too. But this accessory and walled garden shit is an Apple special, and some people don't like when it's pointed out, and then try to change the subject.
 

purbeast0

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the fact that any new MBP is coming with 8gb of RAM is insanity

my MBP is 10 years old and has double that amount
Mine is 10 years old and has 8gb of ram and it is more than enough for a 10 year old macbook pro and I do development on here running Xcode, web servers, db servers, etc, all at the same time, and it doesn't really chug. I'd think current hardware would make use of the 8gb of ram even more efficiently. 8gb of ram is MORE than enough for people who are using it to basically just browse the web and look at Facebook and Instagram.

And people do realize, if you want more ram, you can get it, right?

Also not sure what this "walled garden" is that has been referred to multiple times in this thread. I've been on iPhone since I got a smart phone back when the iPhone 4 was new and came to Verizon and have no clue what that means.
 
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It's not a discrete chip. The USB controller is on the SoC and Apple doesn't want the peons to get USB 3 just yet unless they pay more.

This is no different from the new 14" MacBook Pro coming with 8GB of RAM.
Yes, that's what I meant. The controller on the SOC didn't support it, and they didn't want to roll in support by changing it out for the 15/15 Plus. My brain was not working at that hour.
 
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Mine is 10 years old and has 8gb of ram and it is more than enough for a 10 year old macbook pro and I do development on here running Xcode, web servers, db servers, etc, all at the same time, and it doesn't really chug. I'd think current hardware would make use of the 8gb of ram even more efficiently. 8gb of ram is MORE than enough for people who are using it to basically just browse the web and look at Facebook and Instagram.

And people do realize, if you want more ram, you can get it, right?

Also not sure what this "walled garden" is that has been referred to multiple times in this thread. I've been on iPhone since I got a smart phone back when the iPhone 4 was new and came to Verizon and have no clue what that means.
You can certainly upgrade RAM in many cases when you find out you need more, but many laptops are soldering in the RAM, or the ability to self-upgrade is limited by substantial disassembly requirements, so people may not fully understand their RAM requirements until it is too late.
 
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Captante

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Apples vaunted "security" and "support" are both complete jokes.... the DEVICES themselves are pretty good BUT the system they use completely sucks and leaves your a$$ hanging in the wind.

Additionally ANYTHING compromises your "icloud" account and you are 100% screwed with little chance of contacting any competent help/tech-support that will actually DO anything about it. (and it's a HUGE PITA to create a new/clean account)

Despite how "hip" and "trendy" it is to knock Google, Android 13 is already very secure compared to IOS (provided you set it up correctly watching "permissions") and 14 is looking to be substantially tighter with authenticator app integration.
 
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mikeymikec

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The new iPhone 15 models make the switch from lightning to USB-C. The port supports USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10Gbps). The included USB-C cord, however, is rated to USB 2 (480 Mbps). On a $1000+ phone!

Why do you need USB-C's full throughput anyway? All your phone data should either come from Apple or be uploaded straight to Apple iCloud. /s
 

Captante

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Why do you need USB-C's full throughput anyway? All your phone data should either come from Apple or be uploaded straight to Apple iCloud. /s

True .... the vast majority of Apple "Pro" (lol) users will never use it or even understand what it means to have it available.

*(obviously I hate Apple/IOS)
 

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That was a bug that was terrible and they fixed it. It's not purposely trying to rip people off and put them in a walled garden.

Everybody has bugs out design flaws that are terrible. Apple was telling you how to hold your phone to get reception.

Anyways bugs are not comparable to purposely creating an insane wall garden and charging up the wazoo for everything. I mean keeping texting hostage which is one of the main ways we communicate today is just a horrific abuse of monopoly power. In addition to the price points. It's not the same as a mistake which is a bug.

Also by the way Samsung has created a much better update system. It's much faster and it lasts for more years. Maybe you're talking about Samsung from some years back.

I haven't used a Samsung phone in years but I do hear from a lot of x Samsung critics their newer one UI is actually much better.

They all suck for one reason or another but at least get the comparisons right. You missed the mark here.
Ah yes the ol "Your argument is about something that happened a little bit back and I will prove it by dredging up something even more out of date!" counter. Well played

They'll need to do a bit more work for me to consider them again granted a chunk of that has to do with my declining opinion of Google. For Samsung, I realize others may feel differently but they have a recent (last ~2 years) history of things like undisclosed app throttling, undisclosed SSD component swapping etc. You don't typically change corporate culture all that quickly and that isn't nearly enough positive to counteract the direction Google appears to be heading. Fortunately we have an amazingly completive environment where people can endlessly debate and flame war as to which of our 2 entire options are the slightly lesser evil option
 

MrSquished

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Ah yes the ol "Your argument is about something that happened a little bit back and I will prove it by dredging up something even more out of date!" counter. Well played

They'll need to do a bit more work for me to consider them again granted a chunk of that has to do with my declining opinion of Google. For Samsung, I realize others may feel differently but they have a recent (last ~2 years) history of things like undisclosed app throttling, undisclosed SSD component swapping etc. You don't typically change corporate culture all that quickly and that isn't nearly enough positive to counteract the direction Google appears to be heading. Fortunately we have an amazingly completive environment where people can endlessly debate and flame war as to which of our 2 entire options are the slightly lesser evil option


I posted other more recent examples. It doesn't change the fact that you're comparing bugs of which Apple has had plenty, and this pixel bug affected a small minority of users, though it was still terrible of course.

The fact is you're comparing bugs which all phone manufacturers have to a specific wall garden overpriced hardware and walled basic functionality like texting system that Apple purposely implements.

You got nothing so you deflected the argument. As I admitted Google and Samsung have their issues, but of course as an apple fanboy you can't admit a damn thing about apple, stuff which is pretty common knowledge these days. I mean Google sucks in many ways. But from your statement above you just can't acknowledge damn shit about apple.

I asked a couple of my friends on Apple if they were going to upgrade to the new 15 series. With USBC. And both said oh it's all the same and you know Apple's going to fuck with something and gimp or overcharge us with usbc anyway. I mean this is a pretty well known fact and maybe one day you'll figure it out. If Apple didn't have the walled iMessage and Facetime, they would lose hordes of users. That's why they keep probably the most popular form of communication in America hostage, texting/messaging.
 
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KMFJD

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Am i missing something here or wtf is going on, since when can you not text android phones from an iphone?
 
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