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Yeah, I don't even bother to support Androids anymore. I tell Android users to make sure they run weekly updates, run a paid copy of Malwarebytes, and run Glasswire on their phones because of the security issues.
Pretty much my opinion. Complain all you want about apple pricing, they make a secure product that certainly mines you for data less than the competitors. Just think of it like this:
Apples income primarily comes from selling hardware
Googles income primarily comes from selling ads.

Also if buying an android device it must be a flagship model from a known brand all other will work fine for a year then rapidly decay & fail.
 

MrSquished

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Why can't tech departments simply say if you want Android supported, we support these few models? Pick the most updated models, such as Google and some Samsungs. And that's it. Let other vendors step up if they want to be in enterprise solutions.

Or do IT deparments just want the easiest way out no matter what?
 

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Why can't tech departments simply say if you want Android supported, we support these few models? Pick the most updated models, such as Google and some Samsungs. And that's it. Let other vendors step up if they want to be in enterprise solutions.

Or do IT deparments just want the easiest way out no matter what?

Security & longevity issues. For me, it's just easier to manage Apple devices through an MDM due to the volume of devices I support.
 

MrSquished

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Security & longevity issues. For me, it's just easier to manage Apple devices through an MDM due to the volume of devices I support.
Right so it's the easy way out.

So we should further funnel consumers towards a single manufacturer and OS because IT departments just want the easiest way out, rather than saying look we'll support these other phones plus Apple phones and otherwise you're on your own.

Sometimes the solution at work is not always the easy way out.
 
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Pohemi

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Security & longevity issues. For me, it's just easier to manage Apple devices through an MDM due to the volume of devices I support.
It has to be much easier to support a single environment, with far less 'surprises' as far as apps and differing devices. Even with different model iPhones, they'll be very similar and using the same version of iOS.

Buddy of mine works in IT at a UW facility, and they all have iPhones. Most staff get new phones every 2 years, the IT dept. and the executives get new every year or when a new model releases.

Buddy says it's more secure for his own use (accessing the servers remotely, etc.), as well as for the less technically-inclined employees. Same or similar hardware, no need to ban apps on employee's phones, etc.
 

MrSquished

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It has to be much easier to support a single environment, with far less 'surprises' as far as apps and differing devices. Even with different model iPhones, they'll be very similar and using the same version of iOS.

Buddy of mine works in IT at a UW facility, and they all have iPhones. Most staff get new phones every 2 years, the IT dept. and the executives get new every year or when a new model releases.

Buddy says it's more secure for his own use (accessing the servers remotely, etc.), as well as for the less technically-inclined employees. Same or similar hardware, no need to ban apps on employee's phones, etc.

If we always took the easy way out, that would be something right?
 

Kaido

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Right so it's the easy way out.

So we should further funnel consumers towards a single manufacturer and OS because IT departments just want the easiest way out, rather than saying look we'll support these other phones plus Apple phones and otherwise you're on your own.

Sometimes the solution at work is not always the easy way out.

Android for business use is a mess for security & updates. There's no cohesiveness between brands. I make anyone who runs an Android that I support run paid copies of Malwarebytes & Glasswire. For corporate use, I don't support Android at all. I think they've got a lot of cool stuff going on, but professionally, I need things to work & be secure 100% of the time so that I can move on with my day because I have a million things to do. It's not impossible to manage Androids well, especially with a good MDM, but it opens the door to more risk.

A big part of it is also time-related. When I got into IT, I was extremely idealistic. I wanted to bring open-source to the world...I quickly learned that time really IS money, because they print more money every day, but I could only physically work so many hours a week, and being the support person for business equipment that had no paid support contracts with someone you could call to fix equipment ASAP & had to monkey around with a Linux solution for hours meant downtime. Some of the shops I've worked at lose tens of thousands of dollars an hour when things don't work, so wasting time having to fix things & having to figure out security policies across brands, devices, versions, etc. isn't idea.

Nothing against Android. Their foldable phones are amazing & I love the round watch faces. But for business use, iPhones are locked-down appliances that have a great track record for "just working", which I personally really appreciate!
 
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MrSquished

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Android for business use is a mess for security & updates. There's no cohesiveness between brands. I make anyone who runs an Android that I support run paid copies of Malwarebytes & Glasswire. For corporate use, I don't support Android at all. I think they've got a lot of cool stuff going on, but professionally, I need things to work & be secure 100% of the time so that I can move on with my day because I have a million things to do. It's not impossible to manage Androids well, especially with a good MDM, but it opens the door to more risk.

A big part of it is also time-related. When I got into IT, I was extremely idealistic. I wanted to bring open-source to the world...I quickly learned that time really IS money, because they print more money every day, but I could only physically work so many hours a week, and being the support person for business equipment that had no paid support contracts with someone you could call to fix equipment ASAP & had to monkey around with a Linux solution for hours meant downtime. Some of the shops I've worked at lose tens of thousands of dollars an hour when things don't work, so wasting time having to fix things & having to figure out security policies across brands, devices, versions, etc. isn't idea.

Nothing against Android. Their foldable phones are amazing & I love the round watch faces. But for business use, iPhones are locked-down appliances that have a great track record for "just working", which I personally really appreciate!

I mean I've said it a few times already. I don't expect an IT department to support every Android phone, I have said pick some of the most supported phones, which these days are the Pixel and some Samsung devices, and say you'll support those Android phones, plus Apples offerings, or you are on your own.

I think it's more important that we have TWO viable phone OS's and more than one manufacturer, that would be far worse for consumers. So no it's not the easiest way out, but it's a good compromise. The easiest cheapest way out is definitely not always the best solution. That is actually one of the biggest problems we have in this economy. It's all about quarterly profits, not long-term thinking.
 

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What percentage of customers need to transfer data via a cord at speeds of greater than 400mbs?
That is your answer.

My guess is 0.0001% do this. Literally there are probably fewer than 10 people in the US that MUST be able to do this.
I cannot think of a time in greater than 20 years I had to move a large file to my mobile device with a cord other than the old school contact synch with blackberry
Yeah, but 3 posters here use it. And those 3 users are a perfect representation of most iPhone users.
 
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Yeah, but 3 posters here use it. And those 3 users are a perfect representation of most iPhone users.
and I bet all three who want high resolution awesome pictures & video are also using the entry level iphones.
I know your post is sarcasm but the posters who do transfer large files are likely doing them on a premium flagship model which does indeed support the faster transfer.
 
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I don't care what typical users do. Cheaping out on a cord for $1000+ phone is petty bullshit on Apple's part.
I am confident there is a trivial cost matter just look at it like this if given the choice between faster wired data transfers and lets say 5 minutes more battery life due to some of that saved cost or space going to something else which would you choose?
I know I would choose the battery life, tethered data speed is irrelevant to me.
 

IronWing

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and I bet all three who want high resolution awesome pictures & video are also using the entry level iphones.
I know your post is sarcasm but the posters who do transfer large files are likely doing them on a premium flagship model which does indeed support the faster transfer.
For my use, the camera is the single most important factor in choosing a phone. The phone part is just an added benefit.
 
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IronWing

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and I bet all three who want high resolution awesome pictures & video are also using the entry level iphones.
I know your post is sarcasm but the posters who do transfer large files are likely doing them on a premium flagship model which does indeed support the faster transfer.
The premium flagship model supports the higher speed. The cheap ass cable Apple supplies with the phone doesn't. Hence this thread.
 
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The premium flagship model supports the higher speed. The cheap ass cable Apple supplies with the phone doesn't. Hence this thread.
Meh and I get it, still costs money and I stand by extremely few people even transfer data via a cord.
 

MrSquished

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Meh and I get it, still costs money and I stand by extremely few people even transfer data via a cord.
What we really need are at least two viable competitors in the mobile space.

The apple cultists who just want the easy way out for everything are not the way
 

manly

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The premium flagship model supports the higher speed. The cheap ass cable Apple supplies with the phone doesn't. Hence this thread.
Oops, I and some others missed that detail. Typical Apple nonsense. But some people here are AAPL shareholders and are quick to defend the brazen profiteering.

What we really need are at least two viable competitors in the mobile space.

The apple cultists who just want the easy way out for everything are not the way
Android has 80% global market share. I think they'll be okay, although Samsung's long-held #2 position feels somewhat shaky.
 

MrSquished

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Oops, I and some others missed that detail. Typical Apple nonsense. But some people here are AAPL shareholders and are quick to defend the brazen profiteering.


Android has 80% global market share. I think they'll be okay, although Samsung's long-held #2 position feels somewhat shaky.
I'm speaking of the country I live in, the United States.

The RCS implementation due to the threat of the EU forcing Apple to do the right thing will definitely help, as it's a big reason many people won't make the switch. Though keeping the green bubbles will keep kids bullying those with an Android phone, and Apple is fine with that, they are their future customers.
 
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If we always took the easy way out, that would be something right?

You really are just the most asinine jackass you can be about this. Listen to what people are telling you. For IT departments, getting most users to be as secure as reasonable, the way has been Apple. It making it easier for IT departments to manage also does matter. It can also save money.

You either are a moron that has never worked in enterprise IT supporting a large entity, or you're just trying to be a fucking moron.

But hey, let's shoot our dicks off to do things the hard way just because it'd appease MrSquishedDick.

What's even fucking dumber is you ignoring how Android has 80% marketshare while you bitch that too many people are using Apple.

FYI, if you think bullying over app use will stop if Apple and Google suddenly create a unified messaging protocol, you're delusional. Kids are gonna bully other kids over dumb shit. Hell it used to happen with regards to Snapchat, Facebook Messenger, and other.
 
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I'm speaking of the country I live in, the United States.

The RCS implementation due to the threat of the EU forcing Apple to do the right thing will definitely help, as it's a big reason many people won't make the switch. Though keeping the green bubbles will keep kids bullying those with an Android phone, and Apple is fine with that, they are their future customers.

It won't actually change shit because it'll still be unencrypted (because the US carriers and intelligence services prefer it that way), which will still lead to being shown in the color it currently is.

Maybe Google should pay Apple to make an Android version of iMessage? It really is that simple. You want this shit to stop, you should be bitching at Google since they're in control of messaging on Android. And we know Google has no qualms about paying Apple for such things.
 

MrSquished

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You are so dumb it hurts my brain.

Yes I specifically said this would solve all child bullying. Also in case you missed it Apple is now unifying the texting features between RCS and iMessage. And the reason is because the EU was looking into it and it was going to be an inevitable regulation on them.

You seem to think this is just my little pipe dream and I'm stupid for wanting this. No, this organization called the EU was actually on top of it. Maybe you heard of them?
 

[DHT]Osiris

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For IT departments, getting most users to be as secure as reasonable, the way has been Apple. It making it easier for IT departments to manage also does matter. It can also save money.
Uh what. It's easy to secure windows, very very easy. Microsoft actually provides enterprise grade tools to manage and secure their software with.

Now there's lots of insecure software, but that's on the software vendors, not Microsoft.

Edit: It occurs to be we may still be talking about phones. I wasn't accounting for people attempting to secure the insecurable. Carry on.
 
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Per my experience selling corporate mobile solutions and it’s sort of old experience. Big IT doesn’t like android simply due to the update schedules, sure Samsung does critical updates fast but does ZTE or some cheap ass white box android from China ever update? That is the core problem. Updates are unknown with the small vendors and many people go cheap on their devices not as many as in the past but still plenty of cheap. Also android allows manufacturer apps which god knows what vulnerabilities a cheap android phones pre installed apps will have on day one, how many more on day 6 or 700?
This is the problem.
 
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