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ponyo

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Yes, but why do you want it to transition to the new card if it say... has a sign-on bonus? You won't be given the sign-on bonus since it's not a normal application.

Oh and since you already have the card (through AMEX transitioning it), you are no longer eligible for a sign on bonus. Congrats!

That's the only issue I have as well as preserving my credit history.

There's no sign on bonus for Costco branded credit cards. Never was. So if you care about sign on bonus, you're looking at the wrong card.

I generally don't care much about signing bonus. It's not worth the hassle for me to thaw my credit to apply for small peanut rewards bonus. And I don't care about preserving my credit history. One credit history isn't going to make or break me. I have multiple credits with long history. Who cares about losing one. It's getting replaced so you're not really losing anyway.
 

boomerang

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"Will I need to apply for the new Costco Visa Card if I already have the Costco American Express Card?" "It is unlikely that you will need to apply for the new Costco Visa Card. Costco will provide more information as we finalize the details of our new credit card program."
That would be a scenario I would be happy with.

I'm really having a tough time trying to decide how to deal with this transition and I'm not 100% certain why. It must just center around the hard-on I have for insurance companies and the degree to which they use credit scores to determine rates. After being around the 830~840 mark like forever, buying a second home with a mortgage dropped me down to 780. I came up for renewal and the insurance company stuck it in me real deep. No accidents, no points, no claims in the 40+ years I've been driving but they saw the opening and they pounced.

I don't want any hard hits at this point that will drag me back down.

I'm veering off track in the context of the thread but we bought that second home, went down there and started hammering the credit cards buying furniture and stuff for the place. We paid the CC bills in full every month but we exceeded the 20% ratio that the gods of credit scoring like to see a good number of times over the course of three or four months. That's what I think messed up my score.

Anyway, I'm a bit anxious to get my letter from Costco so I can make some decision on what direction I want to go with this. I've had the AmEx card for a looong time. I'd like to have the Costco Citi Visa but would like to cancel the MC we're using right now as our second card and use the Visa in it's place. I can never seem to find any information I consider definitive on how this or that affects a credit score.

First world problems for sure.
 
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There's no sign on bonus for Costco branded credit cards. Never was. So if you care about sign on bonus, you're looking at the wrong card.

I generally don't care much about signing bonus. It's not worth the hassle for me to thaw my credit to apply for small peanut rewards bonus. And I don't care about preserving my credit history. One credit history isn't going to make or break me. I have multiple credits with long history. Who cares about losing one. It's getting replaced so you're not really losing anyway.

Seriously? Sign on bonus is the bread and butter of manipulating credit cards for an advantage for responsible card holders.

This year ALONE on sign-up bonuses I have:
110,000 Southwest Miles (And through that - A Companion Pass that has given me tons of free plane tickets for my wife to travel with me for free)
50,000 Delta miles (Delta Card)
60,000 Marriott points (Marriott Card)
100,000 AMEX Points (AMEX Platinum)
$400+ in cash-back for sign-on bonuses (Chase Freedom, Discover IT)

And through all these I have gotten tons of other goodies.
$400 in gift cards as a "Reimbursable airline fee" reimbursement
$100 Global Entry fee credit
Tons of Cash-back from everyday transactions, looking to cash out ~$1200 at end of year.
 
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That would be a scenario I would be happy with.

I'm really having a tough time trying to decide how to deal with this transition and I'm not 100% certain why. It must just center around the hard-on I have for insurance companies and the degree to which they use credit scores to determine rates. After being around the 830~840 mark like forever, buying a second home with a mortgage dropped me down to 780. I came up for renewal and the insurance company stuck it in me real deep. No accidents, no points, no claims in the 40+ years I've been driving but they saw the opening and they pounced.

I don't want any hard hits at this point that will drag me back down.

I'm veering off track in the context of the thread but we bought that second home, went down there and started hammering the credit cards buying furniture and stuff for the place. We paid the CC bills in full every month but we exceeded the 20% ratio that the gods of credit scoring like to see a good number of times over the course of three or four months. That's what I think messed up my score.

Anyway, I'm a bit anxious to get my letter from Costco so I can make some decision on what direction I want to go with this. I've had the AmEx card for a looong time. I'd like to have the Costco Citi Visa but would like to cancel the MC we're using right now as our second card and use the Visa in it's place. I can never seem to find any information I consider definitive on how this or that affects a credit score.

First world problems for sure.

Why are you worrying so much about your credit score? 780 or 850, you're going to have the same result.

I don't care if you apply for 10 cards and have 10 hard credit checks, your score wont budge 700 unless you have Payment/Debt/Legal issues. If your insurance company is basing your credit score THAT much to more than a $10 adjustment, I would just bail for a better insurance company. I have to do that often anyways regardless of our stagnant credit scores. They just like to up our rates in hopes that we are too lazy to shop around.
 
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Imp

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Best Buy did this with Chase in Canada... Now I have to use my Amazon credit card.
 

boomerang

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Why are you worrying so much about your credit score? 780 or 850, you're going to have the same result.
But I didn't have the same result. And I documented it for everyone to see.

I don't care if you apply for 10 cards and have 10 hard credit checks, your score wont budge 700 unless you have Payment/Debt/Legal issues. If your insurance company is basing your credit score THAT much to more than a $10 adjustment, I would just bail for a better insurance company. I have to do that often anyways regardless of our stagnant credit scores. They just like to up our rates in hopes that we are too lazy to shop around.
I've been around the block a few times. I shop throughout the year. When I ask why I'm being quoted the rate given, I hear credit score, credit score, credit score. My state has the highest car insurance rates in the nation. The purchase of the second home is the first step in leaving this state. In fact, I am researching now the steps I need to take to make that state my primary residence while also retaining my home here for now. Without shopping around or fine tuning, I already know I'll have at minimum a 25% reduction in my auto rates there. The additional bonus is no state taxes, greatly reduced car registration rates (about 1/10th as much) and far, far lower property taxes.

I consider myself very savvy when it comes to money. If my credit score is affecting how much goods and services cost me, I will take the steps necessary to correct it.

I'm not going to be concerned in the slightest about $10. But $500, $600, $700, that gets my attention and in a big way.

Enough of this. The thread is totally off track and I'm probably the reason.
 

Yossarian

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I had a US Airways credit card (issued by Barclay). After their merger with American, I received a new American Airlines credit card (from Citi) without applying for it...

US Airways was replaced with AAdvantage Aviator, which is still a Barclays card.
 

ponyo

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Costco Canada changed to Capital One Mastercard. I would actually prefer Capital One to Citibank card. Capital One charges no foreign transaction fees. I always use Costco Vacation if I'm vacationing in the areas served by them. It would be convenient to use one card for my vacations. Right now I carry separate Capital One card strictly for international use.
 

Elixer

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Costco isn't the only one doing that, I remember when Wards closed down, my parents got a Walmart branded visa credit card. They never requested it, and it said in the letter it was from the Ward's closing.
 

RossMAN

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What about those of us who already have an existing Citi credit card and another Amex (such as BCE or BCP)?
 

boomerang

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What about those of us who already have an existing Citi credit card and another Amex (such as BCE or BCP)?
This is pretty much what I'm wondering. I have a Citi card also that I haven't used in nearly three years. But it's a MC.

Costco AmEx that is in use, and is our primary card.

Capital One rewards card that is our secondary that I use primarily for ongoing monthly bills and also where AmEx is not accepted

US Bank Visa that used to be a Northwest Airlines reward card. Haven't used it in two years and I'd like to just kill it.

Citi MC that we got for the business but is in our names. Business has been sold and card hasn't been used in 2 1/2 years. I'd like to kill it or convert it to Costco Visa if possible.
 

edro

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I got the same letter in the mail, and I assume millions of others are getting them too.

Amex obviously didn't want the business anymore, or they would have renewed the contract.
I personally ONLY had a Costco Amex because it was mandatory to use credit there.
I very rarely used that card anywhere else. I assume there were many more people like me.

I'm glad Costco will be using Visa now. I should be able to use my standard cards and it may end up generating Costco more business in general.
 
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I got the same letter in the mail, and I assume millions of others are getting them too.

Amex obviously didn't want the business anymore, or they would have renewed the contract.

Wrong. They didn't renew the contract because contract renewals aren't as simple as signing the same piece of paper. It's very likely given how good Costco has been doing lately that they were pushing for lower rates.

Vendors have to pay their credit card vendors a certain percentage. But in the case of things like warehouse clubs, they negotiate for a lower rate with a particular card company because they are on RAZOR THIN margins, thus lowering their fees - and the card company gets exclusive use at that retail location. Both sides win.

I personally ONLY had a Costco Amex because it was mandatory to use credit there.
I very rarely used that card anywhere else. I assume there were many more people like me.

Incorrect. You could have gone with ANY other American Express. Blue Cash Everyday is an excellent choice.
 
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Genx87

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That was in the back of my mind. I thought I was wrong, but apparently I'm not the only one that remembered Capital One and not Citi...

I have heard they were using Mastercard. So weird how there is so much misinformation about which card Costco is moving to.
 

edro

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Wrong. They didn't renew the contract because contract renewals aren't as simple as signing the same piece of paper. It's very likely given how good Costco has been doing lately that they were pushing for lower rates.

Vendors have to pay their credit card vendors a certain percentage. But in the case of things like warehouse clubs, they negotiate for a lower rate with a particular card company because they are on RAZOR THIN margins, thus lowering their fees - and the card company gets exclusive use at that retail location. Both sides win.
Sooo... the new contract obviously wasn't worth it to AMEX.
That's what I said.

Incorrect. You could have gone with ANY other American Express. Blue Cash Everyday is an excellent choice.
I meant AMEX was mandatory, not the Costco brand Amex.
Again, AMEX is worthless to me now that it's not mandatory for Costco credit.
I do not foresee me ever using AMEX again because their elevated fees do not justify their benefits to me.
To me, they are a hassle because some vendors do not accept them.
 

sontakke

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n 2014, Amex members spent an average $144 per purchase, compared with $84 for Visa users and $90 for MasterCard holders, according to the Nilson Report, a publication that tracks the card industry.
Really? These numbers don't sound right. Besides, what does average purchase price has to do with anything? Total purchase per customer or total purchase period would make a reasonable matrix.
 
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