Originally posted by: cheezy321
I own a dell xps M1330. I bought it back in March, and just 2 weeks ago it crapped out on me. Nothing would show up on the monitor and I couldnt get to windows at all. I had to get an entirely new motherboard replaced on the 1330, and the technician told me it was the Nvidia GPU on the computer that gets too hot then burns out.
That was 2 weeks ago, and my 1330 is still running SO DAMN HOT. I have a feeling its going to burn out again pretty quickly.
Then today I read this:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2332325,00.asp
What is wrong with NVIDIA? Why are all of their chips so defective?
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Considering this is a "video" issue, I'm moving it to the Video Cards & Graphics forum.
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Originally posted by: Zebo
"Why are all of their chips so defective"
I think nVidia's janitors..err I mean sanitation specialists, are more successful than you'll be judging by your deductive reasoning abilities. I've never had a nV chip go out all highly overclocked and sometimes vmoded and thats all I buy.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Yeah right .. So one vendor, Apple , a megalomaniac personality BTW, wants to push their problems off on a vendor. Who happens to sell the most cards by far and with very deep pockets. Sure when you're in every other lappy that doesnt have I965 you're bound to come up with issues. Laptops were not made for these hot beasts they make today.
I would also question before jumping to conclusions is who designed the board for apple's (especially apple knowing little Stevie) and dells laptops? Then my next question is who commissioned construction of said PCBs? The part nV delievers, the chip - has no problems and they oversee it's design to delivery. I noticed the article left that part out.
We previously reported that the GPU packaging problem, widely believed to be caused by a cracking solder bumps, may be much more extensive than was admitted by Nvidia. High lead was used in more than 70 million Nvidia GPUs overall and more than 15 million mobile GPUs. However, the problem of fatigue cracking appears to be limited to a relatively low percentage of notebook GPUs ? and only Nvidia knows how high that percentage is. Nvidia recently put aside $200 million to cover notebook repairs, which suggests that somewhere between 500,000 and 1 million notebooks were affected ? if the general estimate of $200-$300 repair cost estimate is right.
Two lawsuits (here and here) alleging that Nvidia has not been truthful about the packaging issue have been filed so far. Both lawsuits are seeking class action status.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Zebo
Yeah right .. So one vendor, Apple , a megalomaniac personality BTW, wants to push their problems off on a vendor. Who happens to sell the most cards by far and with very deep pockets. Sure when you're in every other lappy that doesnt have I965 you're bound to come up with issues. Laptops were not made for these hot beasts they make today.
I would also question before jumping to conclusions is who designed the board for apple's (especially apple knowing little Stevie) and dells laptops? Then my next question is who commissioned construction of said PCBs? The part nV delievers, the chip - has no problems and they oversee it's design to delivery. I noticed the article left that part out.
Zebo .. it is way beyond Apple; it is widespread. My partner Dave McOwen has one of these overheating defective chipsets in a Toshiba notebook [i believe] - and he is a nvidia fanboy to the max
Nvidia screwed up; they *admitted* it and took the blame - $200 million dollars worth [so far] even though TSMC may also be partly to blame
read the whole article or google it
We previously reported that the GPU packaging problem, widely believed to be caused by a cracking solder bumps, may be much more extensive than was admitted by Nvidia. High lead was used in more than 70 million Nvidia GPUs overall and more than 15 million mobile GPUs. However, the problem of fatigue cracking appears to be limited to a relatively low percentage of notebook GPUs ? and only Nvidia knows how high that percentage is. Nvidia recently put aside $200 million to cover notebook repairs, which suggests that somewhere between 500,000 and 1 million notebooks were affected ? if the general estimate of $200-$300 repair cost estimate is right.
Two lawsuits (here and here) alleging that Nvidia has not been truthful about the packaging issue have been filed so far. Both lawsuits are seeking class action status.
Where have you been?
Originally posted by: Zebo
Yeah right .. So one vendor, Apple , a megalomaniac personality BTW, wants to push their problems off on a vendor. Who happens to sell the most cards by far and with very deep pockets. Sure when you're in every other lappy that doesnt have I965 you're bound to come up with issues. Laptops were not made for these hot beasts they make today.
I would also question before jumping to conclusions is who designed the board for apple's (especially apple knowing little Stevie) and dells laptops? Then my next question is who commissioned construction of said PCBs? The part nV delievers, the chip - has no problems and they oversee it's design to delivery. I noticed the article left that part out.
Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
Originally posted by: Zebo
Yeah right .. So one vendor, Apple , a megalomaniac personality BTW, wants to push their problems off on a vendor. Who happens to sell the most cards by far and with very deep pockets. Sure when you're in every other lappy that doesnt have I965 you're bound to come up with issues. Laptops were not made for these hot beasts they make today.
I would also question before jumping to conclusions is who designed the board for apple's (especially apple knowing little Stevie) and dells laptops? Then my next question is who commissioned construction of said PCBs? The part nV delievers, the chip - has no problems and they oversee it's design to delivery. I noticed the article left that part out.
what do u mean? if a laptop was sold in the market with that specific gpu, it was clearly made for it. i'm sure that the design of the pcb for the gpu was made to meet or exceed nvidia's specifications.
This is clearly a very large problem with the nvidia mobile gpu's (are the problems limited only to mobile gpu's?)
Originally posted by: thescreensavers
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: effowe
Why don't you throw some AS5 / new heatsink on that chip? Not defending their chips, and I know you shouldn't have to do this, but it would probably solve your problem in the meantime.
I can see AS5 but replacing a notebook heatsink (+ whatever else they have attached to it) seems to be a whole lot of work.
yea, like they make aftermarket heatsinks for laptops , correct me if I am wrong
Originally posted by: Zebo
Louissssssssssssssssssss I saw that and also read the real original quote where Mr Jensen seemed to indicate thermal cracking was also attributable to poor software and encloser design as well. I'm not saying Apple is responsible. What I'm saying is this claim about ALL nV card are defective is BS. I've owned every gen since TNT and never had an issue. How could they stay in business with a huge failure rate let alone lead the industry with all their cards being defective?
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
As far as the overall issue with the 7xxx and 8xxx series of mobile chips, it was an issue with the strained silicon. A defect in the process results in the chips running hotter than they should.
Normal failure rates for notebooks are quite a bit higher than 0.5%, the data is a couple of years old but have a look at this linkOriginally posted by: nRollo
Not like we'll ever know, but I'm guessing "normal" failure rates are in tenths of a percent. So if it was .5% for example, 3X the failure rate would be 1.5%. If you're Dell and sold 2m laptops, the difference in 10,000 expected laptop returns and 30,000 "higher then average" laptop returns would be huge, perhaps even require additional staffing as presumably you don't have people sitting idle.
Point being "higher than average" failures could mean very different things to a vendor and a buyer. To the vendor, the cost of dealing with 20,000 extra laptop failures might eat a big chunk of your profit for those products, to the buyer, you'd still have a 98.5% chance of never having a problem.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Louissssssssssssssssssss I saw that and also read the real original quote where Mr Jensen seemed to indicate thermal cracking was also attributable to poor software and encloser design as well. I'm not saying Apple is responsible. What I'm saying is this claim about ALL nV card are defective is BS. I've owned every gen since TNT and never had an issue. How could they stay in business with a huge failure rate let alone lead the industry with all their cards being defective?
Originally posted by: Zebo
Louissssssssssssssssssss I saw that and also read the real original quote where Mr Jensen seemed to indicate thermal cracking was also attributable to poor software and encloser design as well. I'm not saying Apple is responsible. What I'm saying is this claim about ALL nV card are defective is BS. I've owned every gen since TNT and never had an issue. How could they stay in business with a huge failure rate let alone lead the industry with all their cards being defective?
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Zebo
Louissssssssssssssssssss I saw that and also read the real original quote where Mr Jensen seemed to indicate thermal cracking was also attributable to poor software and encloser design as well. I'm not saying Apple is responsible. What I'm saying is this claim about ALL nV card are defective is BS. I've owned every gen since TNT and never had an issue. How could they stay in business with a huge failure rate let alone lead the industry with all their cards being defective?
No, not *all* Nvidia GPUs .. just part of the 7xxx/8xxx series of their GPUs; enough to cost Nvidia at least $200 million - they have already taken responsibility for those defectively manufactured.
Fact is we don't know the true extent of the problem and probably never will.
IF i had one of those laptops - i would definitely [try to sell it; but besides that ], i'd make sure the BIOS was updated to run the fan annoyingly all the time and get a laptop cooler for it
Actually we don't know if it cost "at least $200m", w just know they set aside $200m. Could be more, could be less.
Originally posted by: nRollo
EDIT: It should be noted I'm not checking the model numbers of work laptop GPUs either- so it could be we're not getting the affected series.
Come on guys, a little proofreading here and there wouldn't kill you. It would kill us, but you guys have the pretence of professionalism.
Originally posted by: Zap
Originally posted by: nRollo
EDIT: It should be noted I'm not checking the model numbers of work laptop GPUs either- so it could be we're not getting the affected series.
Of course you are. According to Charlie, ALL of NVIDIA's products are affected.
All Nvidia G84 and G86s are bad
Nvidia G92s and G94 reportedly failing
Nvidia chipsets are defective too
That covers just about everything except the GT200 chips... until Charlie pens his next masterpiece. :roll:
Where I used to work, we had notebooks using NVIDIA GPUs. AFAIK those notebooks as a whole did not fail any more frequently than notebooks using Intel IGP. Indeed, they probably failed less. Then again, they were Dell Precision notebooks, so may have been better built. Anyways, out of... don't know how many but maybe 40-60 units... only know of one who's user complained of instability. So, that's less than 2%. Most other problems weren't problems with the notebook, such as users trying to use 65W AC adaptors instead of the 90W models they needed.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
Originally posted by: Zebo
Yeah right .. So one vendor, Apple , a megalomaniac personality BTW, wants to push their problems off on a vendor. Who happens to sell the most cards by far and with very deep pockets. Sure when you're in every other lappy that doesnt have I965 you're bound to come up with issues. Laptops were not made for these hot beasts they make today.
I would also question before jumping to conclusions is who designed the board for apple's (especially apple knowing little Stevie) and dells laptops? Then my next question is who commissioned construction of said PCBs? The part nV delievers, the chip - has no problems and they oversee it's design to delivery. I noticed the article left that part out.
what do u mean? if a laptop was sold in the market with that specific gpu, it was clearly made for it. i'm sure that the design of the pcb for the gpu was made to meet or exceed nvidia's specifications.
This is clearly a very large problem with the nvidia mobile gpu's (are the problems limited only to mobile gpu's?)
I mean nV sure didn't design the constricted case it sets in. Was dells/apples designs ok with nV or not? Or were they even asked? I mean typically laptop makers design thier own mobos in conjunction with PCB makers. What part, if any, did nV play? These are all important questions I have not seen answered in links I've read. If I throw my 280GTX in a shuttle and cut off the fan I'm sure it will burn up too. Likewise so will a 4870 burn up. It's only a matter of scale.