WTF is up with used mac prices

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Ichinisan

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Macs really aren't all that expensive when you consider the resale value they retain years later.
 

halik

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pretty easy concept.

if macs weren't worth that much, people wouldn't pay that much for them.

Pretty much this. You'd have to come up with a very compelling argument why the used mac market isn't efficient; stuff along the lines of "mac people are stupid" isn't compelling and make you sound like a 14 year old nerdy highschool kid.
 

MaxPayne63

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Pretty much this. You'd have to come up with a very compelling argument why the used mac market isn't efficient; stuff along the lines of "mac people are stupid" isn't compelling and make you sound like a 14 year old nerdy highschool kid.

People who pay more for the same components packaged in shinier plastic are idiots.
However, an idiot's money spends just as well as a wise man's.
Therefore, mac people are stupid and the market is efficient.
It isn't an either-or thing.
 

grrl

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pretty easy concept.

if macs weren't worth that much, people wouldn't pay that much for them.

Wrong, markets don't determine the true value of any object, just what people are willing pay for it.
 

Destiny

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I could understand the hate... but I bet you everyone on this planet wished THEY were owners of Apple, designing and selling beautiful products at high profit margins that are in high demand...
 

ViRGE

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One thing in particular that has been holding up the resell value of MacbBooks is their build quality.

MacBooks are far from invulnerable, but they're immensely better built than the average craptop. A MacBook that is even decently cared is usually a few dents and a wash worse for wear after a few years, i.e. serviceable and usable. Whereas most craptops are going to be barely holding together by the end of 3 years unless they're very well cared for due to degradation of their plastic housing and hinges. It also helps that with such few models sold in such high volumes, replacement parts are easy to find (albeit not cheap) even after support for a MacBook has ended, so if one has been damaged there's a good chance it can be repaired.

You can still (validly) argue that they're overpriced due to the desirability factor and Apple brand name, but nevertheless the fact that so many are still in good shape after a few years greatly props up their value relative to most other laptops.
 
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T_Yamamoto

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Either people pay for the logo


Or people who actually know what theyre doing get it for its build quality, OS (since some programs only support OSX), and for their battery life.
 

Mixolydian

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People who pay more for the same components packaged in shinier plastic are idiots.
However, an idiot's money spends just as well as a wise man's.
Therefore, mac people are stupid and the market is efficient.
It isn't an either-or thing.

Eh that's kind of like saying someone is an idiot because they buy a BMW instead of a Honda.
 

randomrogue

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One thing in particular that has been holding up the resell value of MacbBooks is their build quality.

MacBooks are far from invulnerable, but they're immensely better built than the average craptop. A MacBook that is even decently cared is usually a few dents and a wash worse for wear after a few years, i.e. serviceable and usable. Whereas most craptops are going to be barely holding together by the end of 3 years unless they're very well cared for due to degradation of their plastic housing and hinges. It also helps that with such few models sold in such high volumes, replacement parts are easy to find (albeit not cheap) even after support for a MacBook has ended, so if one has been damaged there's a good chance it can be repaired.

You can still (validly) argue that they're overpriced due to the desirability factor and Apple brand name, but nevertheless the fact that so many are still in good shape after a few years greatly props up their value relative to most other laptops.

I'm not knocking a macbook since the ones my family have are nice but I disagree with your assessment on their superior build quality. I have used a $300 netbook for over 3 years, dragged it across 4 continents in my backpack, plugged it into every shoddy electrical system that some of these countries has, etc and the only thing that has worn out on it is the battery which I could replace for $50 if I wanted to.

These things last. The real issue is that the technology gets outdated. With that said it makes no sense for a macbook to not depreciate quickly. Supply and demand is one thing but there should, theoretically, be more demand for newer technology. Not old technology that has an Apple logo on it.

I think the issue is that the high prices of a new macbook lead a lot of people to buy them used and refurbished. The ones my family have were all bought refurbished and even if they're still a bit high priced they're considered a bargain since a new one is so much more money.
 

dud

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With Apple products (especially their computer line) the "A fool and his money are soon parted" adage holds true.
 

ViRGE

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I'm not knocking a macbook since the ones my family have are nice but I disagree with your assessment on their superior build quality. I have used a $300 netbook for over 3 years, dragged it across 4 continents in my backpack, plugged it into every shoddy electrical system that some of these countries has, etc and the only thing that has worn out on it is the battery which I could replace for $50 if I wanted to.
I'm not surprised your netbook survived, and in fact I would really put netbooks in their own category. They're super cheap, but more importantly they're small and light, which means they put far less stress on their chassis.

I'm mostly comparing MacBook build quality to things like the 15" craptop of the week that so many people buy. With those you're getting the same low quality plastic casing, but now it has to support a much bigger and heavier device. Unfortunately this kind of build quality persists until you get to luxury laptops, since most of the extra revenue is invested in higher performance electronics rather than the chassis.
 
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shortylickens

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Yeah my netbook is sturdy but that is owed mostly to being small and light with a stiff body.
The laptop I'm typing on now is too wide and thin to take the same abuse. But I got it specifically because its wide and thin. That makes it ideal for school use.
 

randomrogue

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Yeah I guess I do agree with that. However I would never take one of those laptops let alone a macbook out in the field with me like I would a netbook. I guess it's a tough comparison. I've dropped my netbook a fair amount of times and I doubt these heavier laptops would be able to handle it. Would an ultrabook though? Everyone I know that has these heavier 15" laptops use them so that they can take them between the office and home or between the study and the living room. That's it.
 

shortylickens

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It depends on your needs. If your job requires taking a laptop outside and into dangerous situations, I'd recommend a Panasonic toughbook.
 

Vdubchaos

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pretty easy concept.

if macs weren't worth that much, people wouldn't pay that much for them.

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

You realize Macs are overpriced PCs with limited hardware right?

Equivalent PC will probably cost you half the price (if not 3rd of the price) on the used market.

If people are willing to pay that, more power to sellers/Apple. Good for them!
 

purbeast0

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Sep 13, 2001
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:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

You realize Macs are overpriced PCs with limited hardware right?

Equivalent PC will probably cost you half the price (if not 3rd of the price) on the used market.

If people are willing to pay that, more power to sellers/Apple. Good for them!

if they were overpriced, people would not buy them.

and yes i'm aware of the hardware inside of macs and their pc counterparts.
 

lxskllr

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Nov 30, 2004
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I'm mostly comparing MacBook build quality to things like the 15" craptop of the week that so many people buy. With those you're getting the same low quality plastic casing, but now it has to support a much bigger and heavier device. Unfortunately this kind of build quality persists until you get to luxury laptops, since most of the extra revenue is invested in higher performance electronics rather than the chassis.

At 1/3 the price. I like disposable laptops. A portable computer is an accident waiting to happen. Stolen, broken, wet... When my $300 machine goes tits up, I can buy a new machine with better specs than the old one, and only slightly more money than repairing my obsolete Apple.
 

purbeast0

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Every apple product is overpriced, people still buy them like crazy.

People = not the smartest bunch. Take a good look around.....



So why would you pay premium and limit yourself with Apple crap?

something that is "overpriced" does not set records for sales and sell millions on millions of items. juts a simple fact.

as far as the "limit yourself to apple crap" comment, that is just a stupid comment to make. that is like owning an xbox360 and telling someone who bought a ps3 "why limit yourself with the sony crap".

why limit yourself? get both osx and windows and have the best of both worlds. so glad i don't have any company allegiance like so many people on this forum seem to have. if there is something i like and want, regardless of platform, i will get it.

oh and good luck developing iOS apps on a non-apple product (excluding a hackintosh which is against the TOS however).
 
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