WTF is up with used mac prices

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Fingolfin269

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I still haven't found a PC touchpad that functions as well as the one on the MBP I bought a few years ago. Is that worth the premium? Probably not. But I like it enough to not want to go back to something worse.
 

Midwayman

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Creative professionals do.

They buy them, but the computer illiterate is why the market price is driven up so high on them. FWIW most creative professionals would be better served with a PC anyways with a few exceptions for the few packages that are still mac only. That is unless they also fall into the computer illiterate category. (I say this as someone animated 15 years and teaches at an art school now.)
 

ControlD

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I still haven't found a PC touchpad that functions as well as the one on the MBP I bought a few years ago. Is that worth the premium? Probably not. But I like it enough to not want to go back to something worse.

Same here. I just wish it had two buttons on it so even the simplest of games could be played without needing an external mouse.
 

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I find it funny that a VW fanatic is slamming Apple. VW is the Apple of cars. They are both premium, botique items that have their advantages and disadvantages.

Anywhoo...as a lifelong PC owner I do really love my Macbook Air. It is a wonderful little device. Lighter than many tablets, has without a doubt the best trackpad of any laptop I've used..and I've used A LOT of laptops. Battery life is great, and I really enjoy browsing the web with Safari on it. The included photo editor and manager is also very nice for a bundled app. Toss in integration with iOS devices and it's a great ecosystem. OSX is a different OS than windows, but it's a reliable, low stress one that has some nice features once you get over the learning curve.

I paid around $1000 for the MBA almost 18 months ago and I could turn around and probably get $650-$700 for it with little effort. It's a great little computer and still highly functional and competitive with current offerings.
 

halik

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They only sell for that much since the computer illiterate buy macs. Nobody who knows anything about computers would pay that much for them.

HA says guy that presumably administrates windows machines for living; mad windows power user bro!

You do realize it's unix underneath right?
fx-70015 ~$ uname -a
Darwin fx-70015 12.2.0 Darwin Kernel Version 12.2.0: Sat Aug 25 00:48:52 PDT 2012; root:xnu-2050.18.24~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
 
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The thing I love about using the Mac is that even as a IT professional, and a guy who made a lot of money over the years cleaning up spyware and crap..it's nice to just be able to browse without stupid shit happening to your machine without a half dozen prevention apps, firewalls, registry lockers, being careful not to click on the wrong part of a popup box, ect.

Browsing on the Mac is just a much more enjoyable and low stress experience than the flury of popups, warnings, intrusions, ect that can affect IE. I never really cared for Firefox so I always stuck with IE.
 

Vdubchaos

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The thing I love about using the Mac is that even as a IT professional, and a guy who made a lot of money over the years cleaning up spyware and crap.

Browsing on the Mac is just a much more enjoyable and low stress experience than the flury of popups, warnings, intrusions, ect that can affect IE. I never really cared for Firefox so I always stuck with IE.

Does not add up

You must be the only IT professional that uses IE and "never really cared for Firefox".

It's like saying Steve Jobs only used Android phones and Windows.

I find it funny that a VW fanatic is slamming Apple. VW is the Apple of cars. They are both premium, botique items that have their advantages and disadvantages.

Is that why VW is priced to compete with Toyota/Honda/Chevy etc?

You have no idea what you are talking about.

BMW or MB is the Apple of car world.

VW might have a lot of hipsters, but at least they are not paying premium for the product (gotta give them some credit).

Now if VW cost as much as a BMW.....you MIGHT have a point....
 

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You must be the only IT professional that uses IE and "never really cared for Firefox".

There's just a lot of stuff that I use/used that either required or worked better under IE. Legacy health care stuff, for years Outlook Web only rendered right in IE, different vendor sites only supported IE, ect. Plus Firefox was a memory hog. I just used IE so much that it was a preference over many years of needing to use it.
 

purbeast0

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Is that why VW is priced to compete with Toyota/Honda/Chevy etc?

You have no idea what you are talking about.

BMW or MB is the Apple of car world.

VW might have a lot of hipsters, but at least they are not paying premium for the product (gotta give them some credit).

Now if VW cost as much as a BMW.....you MIGHT have a point....

i've owned 2 VW cars and they were both more expensive than their counterparts in the honda, toyota, and chevy brands. they were also more expensive to maintain and fix when problems arose.

and as someone who used to be a vw enthusiast and all over vwvortex boards, the majority of vw enthusiasts look down on american/japanese cars and think their euro cars are better.

sounds very similar to how many people perceive the apple brand and users.
 

Vdubchaos

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There's just a lot of stuff that I use/used that either required or worked better under IE. Legacy health care stuff, for years Outlook Web only rendered right in IE, different vendor sites only supported IE, ect. Plus Firefox was a memory hog. I just used IE so much that it was a preference over many years of needing to use it.

I question your IT professionalism, as you are using IE....

:biggrin:
 

Vdubchaos

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i've owned 2 VW cars and they were both more expensive than their counterparts in the honda, toyota, and chevy brands. they were also more expensive to maintain and fix when problems arose.

My Passat (in 1999) was actually cheaper than Toyota/Nissan and was comparable to V6 models that were 5-10k more expensive (in performance).

and as someone who used to be a vw enthusiast and all over vwvortex boards, the majority of vw enthusiasts look down on american/japanese cars and think their euro cars are better.

Yes, most are Euro snobs. One simply has to get past that.

PS.I've been on Vortex SINCE DAY ONE.

sounds very similar to how many people perceive the apple brand and users.

Yes, minus the overly expensive part which makes the Apple products that much more sucky.

You can't compare Hype + normal pricing to Hype + expensive.

You are talking BMW/MB even Audi here.....NOT VW
 

purbeast0

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My Passat (in 1999) was actually cheaper than Toyota/Nissan and was comparable to V6 models that were 5-10k more expensive (in performance).



Yes, most are Euro snobs. One simply has to get past that.

PS.I've been on Vortex SINCE DAY ONE.



Yes, minus the overly expensive part which makes the Apple products that much more sucky.

You can't compare Hype + normal pricing to Hype + expensive.

You are talking BMW/MB even Audi here.....NOT VW

what? the parts for VW are more expensive than the parts for a japanese car. my wife had a honda all the while i had my vw's. to say that the cost of a vw is the same as a honda is just false. i've been going through this the past 10 years of so, with the exception of the past year where i got rid of my vw and will never go back to a european car.

issues to fix in my jetta/gti were always more than the issues to fix in her civic.

bmw and audi's shouldnt even be compared to honda or toyota. they shoudl be compared to infiniti and lexus.
 

Midwayman

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HA says guy that presumably administrates windows machines for living; mad windows power user bro!

You do realize it's unix underneath right?
fx-70015 ~$ uname -a
Darwin fx-70015 12.2.0 Darwin Kernel Version 12.2.0: Sat Aug 25 00:48:52 PDT 2012; root:xnu-2050.18.24~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64

I realize this, but I teach animation, not administrate PCs. What does that have to do with anything anyways? Mac aren't bad. They just are overpriced and the used market is driven by people who don't know why paying that much for outdated hardware is a bad idea.
 

halik

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I realize this, but I teach animation, not administrate PCs. What does that have to do with anything anyways? Mac aren't bad. They just are overpriced and the used market is driven by people who don't know why paying that much for outdated hardware is a bad idea.

Therein lies your problem; people aren't buying "hardware", they're a buying a solution for their computational needs.

I can't tell difference between i5 and i6 macbook air, I couldn't honestly even tell the difference between core 2 or whatever the last one was and the i5 I have... hardware specs is one of the least important criteria when it comes to my usability of a laptop. It's incidental; implementation detail.
 
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natto fire

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A 2 page thread in 14 hours about an obvious topic, wow, going to guess there is more opinion than fact here.
 

Ns1

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There is lies your problem; people aren't buying "hardware", they're a buying a solution for their computational needs.

I can't tell difference between i5 and i6 macbook air, I couldn't honestly even tell the difference between core 2 or whatever the last one was and the i5 I have... hardware specs is one of the least important criteria when it comes to my usability of a laptop. It's incidental; implementation detail.

+1
 

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I can't tell difference between i5 and i6 macbook air, I couldn't honestly even tell the difference between core 2 or whatever the last one was and the i5 I have... hardware specs is one of the least important criteria when it comes to my usability of a laptop. It's incidental; implementation detail.

And that's what really satisfies me with that little Macbook air I have. My work laptop is a beastly HP "elitebook" with an i7 something or other and it weighs like 19 pounds and barely fits into any carrying case you can buy. But it still takes likes 4 minutes for it to go into hibernation, another 2 or so to come out of it and be back up and running. Close the lid on my Air and it's asleep. Open it back up and it's awake and ready to roll in about 4 seconds. The trackpads are so far apart it's not even funny. The scrolling on the HP with the shitty synaptics software is an exercise in futility. It's so bad that I resort back to the rubber nubbin and manually scroll in windows if I don't have a mouse attached. The Mac on the other hand is an absolute pleasure to web browse on. Using a 3rd party utility and programming in different gestures and touch settings I don't even have to take my fingers off the trackpad for a vast majority of web navigation.

All apps on it open nearly instantly, scrolling through thousands of pictures in iPhoto is a breeze and incredibly easy to edit. Much better and faster than any basic & free photo app I've used in windows.

The Air is just a great little device and simply is *not* overpriced when compared to other Windows ultrabooks. Macbook pros are more expensive, but you still have to compare things like screen quality and resolution, build strength, and overall usability and experience instead of simple box score stats like RAM and CPU speed.

I wouldn't trade a Mac in for a Windows device if it was my only workstation. Simply because I have far too many work based things and other legacy stuff that I either don't want to, or can't do in an emulator in OSX. But for a huge percentage of my casual use and couch surfing it's great system.
 

Ns1

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And that's what really satisfies me with that little Macbook air I have. My work laptop is a beastly HP "elitebook" with an i7 something or other and it weighs like 19 pounds and barely fits into any carrying case you can buy. But it still takes likes 4 minutes for it to go into hibernation, another 2 or so to come out of it and be back up and running. Close the lid on my Air and it's asleep. Open it back up and it's awake and ready to roll in about 4 seconds. The trackpads are so far apart it's not even funny. The scrolling on the HP with the shitty synaptics software is an exercise in futility. It's so bad that I resort back to the rubber nubbin and manually scroll in windows if I don't have a mouse attached. The Mac on the other hand is an absolute pleasure to web browse on. Using a 3rd party utility and programming in different gestures and touch settings I don't even have to take my fingers off the trackpad for a vast majority of web navigation.

holy shit you just described my i5 elitebook. This thing is a fucking dog.
 

Eug

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There is lies your problem; people aren't buying "hardware", they're a buying a solution for their computational needs.

I can't tell difference between i5 and i6 macbook air, I couldn't honestly even tell the difference between core 2 or whatever the last one was and the i5 I have... hardware specs is one of the least important criteria when it comes to my usability of a laptop. It's incidental; implementation detail.
Well, for the MacBooks, a Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz isn't a Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz.

The GeForce 9400M in one makes a huge difference over the X3100 in the other. You can't even install 10.8 Mountain Lion on the latter.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2313067
 

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holy shit you just described my i5 elitebook. This thing is a fucking dog.

Heh.

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Don't get me started on the arrow key arrangement on that turd. Full size number pad but they put the arrow key into some impossible to use Tie Fighter kind of shape.

EDIT: or the pathetic 1366x768 resolution on a 15" screen. The 13" Air at least has 1440x900.
 
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Vdubchaos

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what? the parts for VW are more expensive than the parts for a japanese car. my wife had a honda all the while i had my vw's. to say that the cost of a vw is the same as a honda is just false. i've been going through this the past 10 years of so, with the exception of the past year where i got rid of my vw and will never go back to a european car.

issues to fix in my jetta/gti were always more than the issues to fix in her civic.

bmw and audi's shouldnt even be compared to honda or toyota. they shoudl be compared to infiniti and lexus.

I was talking purchase price....and back in the 90s.

My new 99 Passat cost me $21500, at the time 4 cylinder Accords/Camry was priced about the same.

I know things have changed, and Vws are a bit more expensive than Honda/Toyota to purchase, but it's not THAT big of a gap.

I can't really disagree with you about the reliability and unnecessary complexity of German car. They are overly complex and overpriced for no apparent reason (mostly BMW, AUdi, MB)....it does apply to VW as well.
 

purbeast0

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Heh.

https://whmcqq.bay.livefilestore.co...5F5twHqfo30tryz4kZ5lGCeYG/IMG_1365.JPG?psid=1

https://whmcqq.bay.livefilestore.co...jt1URcepy49OhAcs95VxzLudU/IMG_1362.JPG?psid=1

Don't get me started on the arrow key arrangement on that turd. Full size number pad but they put the arrow key into some impossible to use Tie Fighter kind of shape.

EDIT: or the pathetic 1366x768 resolution on a 15" screen. The 13" Air at least has 1440x900.

i don't own any apple computers but my next laptop is 100% going to be some sort of macbook pro. no clue when that will happen though as i don't need one any time soon. i'll run my windows pc and osx laptop and have the best of both worlds.
 

Broheim

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i've owned 2 VW cars and they were both more expensive than their counterparts in the honda, toyota, and chevy brands. they were also more expensive to maintain and fix when problems arose.

and as someone who used to be a vw enthusiast and all over vwvortex boards, the majority of vw enthusiasts look down on american/japanese cars and think their euro cars are better.

sounds very similar to how many people perceive the apple brand and users.

 
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