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[loup garou]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

nik, vi, notfred...have any of you ever stated that you'd like to see members of al-Quaeda dead? Honestly...I don't see a difference. Groups such as these only promote hate. I'm not saying that I want to see them dead, I just think that defending them is irrational.

All al-quaeda members are Muslims. Not all Muslims are al-queada members.

All Neo Nazis are white. Not all whites are Neo Nazis.

I fail to see your point.

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
But if someone (and there are LOTS out there) just goes to parties or gatherings and share the neonazi view, they shouldn't be branded as violent.

And you share WHAT view with neonazi's? Their prime choice on 401K? Their benefits plan? Their baking receipies? Do they have a good idea for making chicken? c'mon .. share.... we wanna know what other ideals they have!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
But if someone (and there are LOTS out there) just goes to parties or gatherings and share the neonazi view, they shouldn't be branded as violent.

And you share WHAT view with neonazi's? Their prime choice on 401K? Their benefits plan? Their baking receipies? Do they have a good idea for making chicken? c'mon .. share.... we wanna know what other ideals they have!

Fsck off, bitch.

nik

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Fsck off, bitch.

nik

just as i thought....

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
What does my opinion on the Constitutional rights of others

funny how you believe in the constitutional rights of those who dont believe in constitutional rights for others.... but that's a discussion for ANOTHER thread.

So constitutional rights only belong to those who respect them?

nik

no... those who scream "first amendment" and "i have my rights" are usually the ones who trample all over them when it comes to others...

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
But if someone (and there are LOTS out there) just goes to parties or gatherings and share the neonazi view, they shouldn't be branded as violent.

And you share WHAT view with neonazi's? Their prime choice on 401K? Their benefits plan? Their baking receipies? Do they have a good idea for making chicken? c'mon .. share.... we wanna know what other ideals they have!

Fsck off, bitch.

nik

Come on, that was a good questioin, even if worded comically. And I think I can speak for guyver in saying that the 'you' in it was not personal, simply 2nd person. What do these people talk about? Eradicating those races and faiths that don't jive with their views. How is that nonviolent? Seriously, I want to know what other views these groups hold that could be considered nonviolent.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Just as you thought what? I'm defending a group that I strongly disagree with simply because the people that I agree with most of the time are turning ASSININE on me and saying sh|t that makes them no better than the group that I'm defending for basic constitutional rights!

:|

nik

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
But if someone (and there are LOTS out there) just goes to parties or gatherings and share the neonazi view, they shouldn't be branded as violent.

And you share WHAT view with neonazi's? Their prime choice on 401K? Their benefits plan? Their baking receipies? Do they have a good idea for making chicken? c'mon .. share.... we wanna know what other ideals they have!

Fsck off, bitch.

nik

Come on, that was a good questioin, even if worded comically. And I think I can speak for guyver in saying that the 'you' in it was not personal, simply 2nd person. What do these people talk about? Eradicating those races and faiths that don't jive with their views. How is that nonviolent? Seriously, I want to know what other views these groups hold that could be considered nonviolent.

Viewing themselves better than the rest is their core belief. The erradication is a second-hand belief accepted by certain branches. That's been my whole point this whole time. People immediatly (and ignorantly) jump on the nazis like they do the muslims for things that other members have done in the name of the facist group -regardless of the peaceful views of some of their members, and it pisses me off. :|

nik

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
What does my opinion on the Constitutional rights of others

funny how you believe in the constitutional rights of those who dont believe in constitutional rights for others.... but that's a discussion for ANOTHER thread.

So constitutional rights only belong to those who respect them?

nik

no... those who scream "first amendment" and "i have my rights" are usually the ones who trample all over them when it comes to others...

There we go again... hypocritical stereotyping. :|

nik

 

"Strange it is that men should admit to the validity of the arguments for free discussion, but object to their agruments being pushed to an extreme, not seeing that unless the reasons are good for an extreme case, they are not good for any case. Strange that they should imagine that they are not assuming infallibility when they acknowledge that there should be free discussion on all subjects which can possibly be doubtful, but think that some partiular principle or doctrine should be forbidden to be questioned because it is so certain, that is, because they are certain that it is certain. To call any proposition certain, while there is anyone who would deny its certainty, if permitted, but who is not permitted, is to assume that we ourselves, and those who agree with us, are the judges of certainty, and judges without hearing the other side."
-John Stuart Mill

Replace free discussion with right to assemble.

 

[blakeatwork]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
But if someone (and there are LOTS out there) just goes to parties or gatherings and share the neonazi view, they shouldn't be branded as violent.

And you share WHAT view with neonazi's? Their prime choice on 401K? Their benefits plan? Their baking receipies? Do they have a good idea for making chicken? c'mon .. share.... we wanna know what other ideals they have!

Fsck off, bitch.

nik

Wow, that'll show him...

It's amazing when you think about it. My Great Grandfather was a Nazi, but my Grandfather defied him in moving to Canada and fighting with the Allies against his Father. My Uncle was a member of the IRA, before he got caught and thrown in jail. Have I turned out poorly. No. My point?? Association with a group does not automatically mean that you ARE a part of that particular group. The few rotten apples are what people here about. It's the same with any "hate group". You always hear about the bloody societal rejects that enjoy the "fear" that they promote.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
But if someone (and there are LOTS out there) just goes to parties or gatherings and share the neonazi view, they shouldn't be branded as violent.

And you share WHAT view with neonazi's? Their prime choice on 401K? Their benefits plan? Their baking receipies? Do they have a good idea for making chicken? c'mon .. share.... we wanna know what other ideals they have!

Fsck off, bitch.

nik

Wow, that'll show him...

It's amazing when you think about it. My Great Grandfather was a Nazi, but my Grandfather defied him in moving to Canada and fighting with the Allies against his Father. My Uncle was a member of the IRA, before he got caught and thrown in jail. Have I turned out poorly. No. My point?? Association with a group does not automatically mean that you ARE a part of that particular group. The few rotten apples are what people here about. It's the same with any "hate group". You always hear about the bloody societal rejects that enjoy the "fear" that they promote.

EXACTLY MY POINT THE WHOLE GODDAMN TIME.

nik

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
But if someone (and there are LOTS out there) just goes to parties or gatherings and share the neonazi view, they shouldn't be branded as violent.

And you share WHAT view with neonazi's? Their prime choice on 401K? Their benefits plan? Their baking receipies? Do they have a good idea for making chicken? c'mon .. share.... we wanna know what other ideals they have!

Fsck off, bitch.

nik

Wow, that'll show him...

It's amazing when you think about it. My Great Grandfather was a Nazi, but my Grandfather defied him in moving to Canada and fighting with the Allies against his Father. My Uncle was a member of the IRA, before he got caught and thrown in jail. Have I turned out poorly. No. My point?? Association with a group does not automatically mean that you ARE a part of that particular group. The few rotten apples are what people here about. It's the same with any "hate group". You always hear about the bloody societal rejects that enjoy the "fear" that they promote.

EXACTLY MY POINT THE WHOLE GODDAMN TIME.

nik

But yet you make that point with this stunning piece of wit:

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Fsck off, bitch.

nik

- M4H

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
But if someone (and there are LOTS out there) just goes to parties or gatherings and share the neonazi view, they shouldn't be branded as violent.

And you share WHAT view with neonazi's? Their prime choice on 401K? Their benefits plan? Their baking receipies? Do they have a good idea for making chicken? c'mon .. share.... we wanna know what other ideals they have!

Fsck off, bitch.

nik

Wow, that'll show him...

It's amazing when you think about it. My Great Grandfather was a Nazi, but my Grandfather defied him in moving to Canada and fighting with the Allies against his Father. My Uncle was a member of the IRA, before he got caught and thrown in jail. Have I turned out poorly. No. My point?? Association with a group does not automatically mean that you ARE a part of that particular group. The few rotten apples are what people here about. It's the same with any "hate group". You always hear about the bloody societal rejects that enjoy the "fear" that they promote.

EXACTLY MY POINT THE WHOLE GODDAMN TIME.

nik

But yet you make that point with this stunning piece of wit:

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Fsck off, bitch.

nik

- M4H

No, you mindless twit, I made my point with the several stunning pieces of wit that I posted prior to it. they weren't listening, and instead took a pot shot. So I took one back.

nik

 

[blakeatwork]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
But if someone (and there are LOTS out there) just goes to parties or gatherings and share the neonazi view, they shouldn't be branded as violent.

And you share WHAT view with neonazi's? Their prime choice on 401K? Their benefits plan? Their baking receipies? Do they have a good idea for making chicken? c'mon .. share.... we wanna know what other ideals they have!

Fsck off, bitch.

nik

Wow, that'll show him...

It's amazing when you think about it. My Great Grandfather was a Nazi, but my Grandfather defied him in moving to Canada and fighting with the Allies against his Father. My Uncle was a member of the IRA, before he got caught and thrown in jail. Have I turned out poorly. No. My point?? Association with a group does not automatically mean that you ARE a part of that particular group. The few rotten apples are what people here about. It's the same with any "hate group". You always hear about the bloody societal rejects that enjoy the "fear" that they promote.

EXACTLY MY POINT THE WHOLE GODDAMN TIME.

nik

True enough, but you lacked the tact to get that point across without looking like an ass. That's the blunt truth.

However, that being said, I don't agree with what the Neo-Nazi's yap about, but at the same time, I don't really care. I care more about my people's fight aginst the English, but that does not automatically equate me with the IRA. Everyone wants a peaceful world to live in, and I can't blame them, it'd be nice to wake up and not have to worry about whether or not this is the day that China or the US drops the nukes, (or any other country you have a beef with), or whether you're going to get shot in a drive-by, or nailed by a suicide bomber. the world really sucks right now, and no government is willing to back down, which will only perpetuate international hatred from all sides.

 

[Kyle]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
But if someone (and there are LOTS out there) just goes to parties or gatherings and share the neonazi view, they shouldn't be branded as violent.

And you share WHAT view with neonazi's? Their prime choice on 401K? Their benefits plan? Their baking receipies? Do they have a good idea for making chicken? c'mon .. share.... we wanna know what other ideals they have!

Fsck off, bitch.

nik

Wow, that'll show him...

It's amazing when you think about it. My Great Grandfather was a Nazi, but my Grandfather defied him in moving to Canada and fighting with the Allies against his Father. My Uncle was a member of the IRA, before he got caught and thrown in jail. Have I turned out poorly. No. My point?? Association with a group does not automatically mean that you ARE a part of that particular group. The few rotten apples are what people here about. It's the same with any "hate group". You always hear about the bloody societal rejects that enjoy the "fear" that they promote.

EXACTLY MY POINT THE WHOLE GODDAMN TIME.

nik

But yet you make that point with this stunning piece of wit:

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Fsck off, bitch.

nik

- M4H

No, you mindless twit, I made my point with the several stunning pieces of wit that I posted prior to it. they weren't listening, and instead took a pot shot. So I took one back.

nik

If ya cant beat them, join them eh? Some of you need to learn how to argue without getting so worked up about it...

 

[eakers]

i read this article in vice magazine written by a producer who worked for an abc news show in the late 80s/ early nineties. they found out the kkk was moving in to some small southern towns and so she joined and spent the summer with them videotaping stuff.
apparently all they did was sit around and talk and have parties, the worst thing they did was drive past black people and yell at them and most of the time the person would look up confused because they couldn't understand what they had said cuz they were driving so fast.

she said that in a way that this wasn't even newsworthy because it was just crazy people getting together to talk about crazy things but never meaning to take any action on them because deep down most of them knew it was crazy.

anyways i will link the article even though it's iffy (there is some swearing in it, i am warning you now) if the mods don't like it can be removed.

linky

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
I don't either. But a few violent ones doesn't mean that they're all violent. You're just as bad as the Nazis because you're a stereotypical hypoctrite.

nik

You know that they are organizing some sort of "gang-bangs" here? They get together and gonna get after each foreigner they see. No, I can't respect that.

I know exactly what they do. My half-sister lives in Spokane Washington, which has a huge NeoNazi underground. I've seen people curbed and beaten. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen. What I AM saying is that these people have the right to their opinion. They have the right to get together and dance to music or something. They have the right to get together and talk about their opinions.

You people are running around wanting to kill them all because you can't see that some of them are simple, peaceful, good people - with a twisted view of other races.

Who knows if most of them are violent or not. Who cares. If they're violent, prosecute them for their crimes. But until they commit a crime, individually, like our court system works, LEAVE THEM THE FSCK ALONE.

nik

I totally agree with you! We should leave Al Qaida members alone until one proves himself violent, and only then should we go after just that one! They should be allowed to voice their opinions, to plan to kill lots of Americans, but until they do so, we shouldn't even arrest one, and after a few do so, we should not do anything against the others until they have done the same!

And before you start whining that you cannot compare the two, neo-nazism sees non-whites as non-human, and wants to rid the earth of 'that filth'. A lot of them get really violent, and I don't feel like waiting for the rest to get violent too, or for the smarter ones to play the public opinion.

If you know your neighbour will rape your kid in the near future, you don't sit there waiting for it to happen, as 'he has not yet done anything wrong', you take steps to prevent it. Yet you do not want to do anything against these f*ckheads until they kill yet another person?

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
I don't either. But a few violent ones doesn't mean that they're all violent. You're just as bad as the Nazis because you're a stereotypical hypoctrite.

nik

Wtf are you talking about? Yes they have the right to assemble. Yes they can believe what they want to believe. But that doesn't mean they aren't violent. They are about/i] violence.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
I don't either. But a few violent ones doesn't mean that they're all violent. You're just as bad as the Nazis because you're a stereotypical hypoctrite.

nik

You know that they are organizing some sort of "gang-bangs" here? They get together and gonna get after each foreigner they see. No, I can't respect that.

I know exactly what they do. My half-sister lives in Spokane Washington, which has a huge NeoNazi underground. I've seen people curbed and beaten. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen. What I AM saying is that these people have the right to their opinion. They have the right to get together and dance to music or something. They have the right to get together and talk about their opinions.

You people are running around wanting to kill them all because you can't see that some of them are simple, peaceful, good people - with a twisted view of other races.

Who knows if most of them are violent or not. Who cares. If they're violent, prosecute them for their crimes. But until they commit a crime, individually, like our court system works, LEAVE THEM THE FSCK ALONE.

nik

I totally agree with you! We should leave Al Qaida members alone until one proves himself violent, and only then should we go after just that one! They should be allowed to voice their opinions, to plan to kill lots of Americans, but until they do so, we shouldn't even arrest one, and after a few do so, we should not do anything against the others until they have done the same!

And before you start whining that you cannot compare the two, neo-nazism sees non-whites as non-human, and wants to rid the earth of 'that filth'. A lot of them get really violent, and I don't feel like waiting for the rest to get violent too, or for the smarter ones to play the public opinion.

If you know your neighbour will rape your kid in the near future, you don't sit there waiting for it to happen, as 'he has not yet done anything wrong', you take steps to prevent it. Yet you do not want to do anything against these f*ckheads until they kill yet another person?

Actually, your first paragraph, although it is sarcastic, I agree with. They can spout off about hating us and wanting to kill us all they want. That's not a crime. And, in case you didn't notice, this country works on "innocent until proven guilty" which means until they do something that breaks the law, there isn't anything that we can do about it other than watch them.

You can stand on the sidewalk in front of a police station and shout "I'M GONNA KILL ALL OF YOU PIGS!" and they can't do jack crap about it -as they shouldn't be. It's an opinion that is guarded by the constitution, just like the Nazis. Now, the police might start following you and watching what you do to make sure that they can intercept you, but still... you have to take action toward violence before they can do anything.

nik

nik

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
But if someone (and there are LOTS out there) just goes to parties or gatherings and share the neonazi view, they shouldn't be branded as violent.

And you share WHAT view with neonazi's? Their prime choice on 401K? Their benefits plan? Their baking receipies? Do they have a good idea for making chicken? c'mon .. share.... we wanna know what other ideals they have!

Fsck off, bitch.

nik

Wow, that'll show him...

It's amazing when you think about it. My Great Grandfather was a Nazi, but my Grandfather defied him in moving to Canada and fighting with the Allies against his Father. My Uncle was a member of the IRA, before he got caught and thrown in jail. Have I turned out poorly. No. My point?? Association with a group does not automatically mean that you ARE a part of that particular group. The few rotten apples are what people here about. It's the same with any "hate group". You always hear about the bloody societal rejects that enjoy the "fear" that they promote.

The difference is this: Your great grandfather was a Nazi. Not your grandfather. Your uncle was an IRA member, not you. The people in that picture are neo-nazis.
Their kids may turn out fine, their grandparents may be communists, but they are clearly showing their neo-nazi believes.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Does anyone ever hear of peaceful nazis? Do you ever see on the news, "Breaking news! This just in! Nazis in your neighborhood sitting in their own living room watching TV! BE AFRAID! BE VERY AFRAID!"

No.

You only hear about the violent ones. If you always see the negative sides to a group, acknowledging the positive (neutral?) sides of the group is going to be harder to do. Now, I'm not defending these somewhat lower forms of life. But, for Christ's sake, there are NeoNazis out there who are peaceful. There are branches of this group who do nothing but assemble, talk, and go have fun bowling just like your local old folks home or 4H club.

nik

They're goal is to wipe-out all foreigners from Switzerland. No believe me, they are NOT peaceful. If one of their ground principles is hate, how can they be peaceful?

off to do some shopping, will be back in an hour.... I really wanna discuss that with you(nik)

That's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Oh yes, we know that the primary goal of neo nazis is to destroy the SWISS. You can tell by how much bombing Hitler did in Switzerland in WWII.
The primary targets of nazi groups are not blacks, jews, and gays... They're the Swiss.

He is Swiss, and claims the neo-nazis in Switzerland want to kill all non-Swiss in Switzerland. What part of that is so hard to understand?

 

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

You can stand on the sidewalk in front of a police station and shout "I'M GONNA KILL ALL OF YOU PIGS!" and they can't do jack crap about it -as they shouldn't be. It's an opinion that is guarded by the constitution, just like the Nazis. Now, the police might start following you and watching what you do to make sure that they can intercept you, but still... you have to take action toward violence before they can do anything.

nik

That would be considered assault and harassment of a police officer, so they cant do that. I do however, see the point you are trying to make.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Looks like the mosh pit at a Slayer concert.

Rock on, man. I've seen Slayer twice. Don't really remember much about the first time.... It kicked my ass...or somebody kicked my ass....either way, my ass got kicked. Had fun though.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
But if someone (and there are LOTS out there) just goes to parties or gatherings and share the neonazi view, they shouldn't be branded as violent.

And you share WHAT view with neonazi's? Their prime choice on 401K? Their benefits plan? Their baking receipies? Do they have a good idea for making chicken? c'mon .. share.... we wanna know what other ideals they have!

Fsck off, bitch.

nik

Wow, that'll show him...

It's amazing when you think about it. My Great Grandfather was a Nazi, but my Grandfather defied him in moving to Canada and fighting with the Allies against his Father. My Uncle was a member of the IRA, before he got caught and thrown in jail. Have I turned out poorly. No. My point?? Association with a group does not automatically mean that you ARE a part of that particular group. The few rotten apples are what people here about. It's the same with any "hate group". You always hear about the bloody societal rejects that enjoy the "fear" that they promote.

The difference is this: Your great grandfather was a Nazi. Not your grandfather. Your uncle was an IRA member, not you. The people in that picture are neo-nazis.
Their kids may turn out fine, their grandparents may be communists, but they are clearly showing their neo-nazi believes.

And who is to say that the belief system REQUIRES violence in order to believe it? You? :disgust: I can believe that the U.S. needs to be defended, just like our armed forces, but not do anything about it -like not join up and fight. That means that I'm a peaceable supporter. What's so hard to believe that those exist for a group so extreme as the NeoNazis?

nik