WTF is wrong with kids these days?

[ViRGE]

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<< A student in the class passed the teacher an anonymous note naming the students who were responsible, Lamons said. >>

damn narc >>


You can't be serious!?:Q Glass cleaner isn't the most dangerous thing in the world, but it's a strong poision none the less.

 

[HOWITIS]

<< WTF is wrong with kids these days? >>





what i think is funny is that you can go back a thousand years and people are saying the exact same things, such as whats wrong with the younger generation, and people who think the world is out of control. i've come accross some of this in readings given from some of my classes in college. usually these are religous types saying it was a sign of the end of the world.


as a generation gets older, and a new one emergers mass culture has to change, leaving those still clinging to the last wandering, whats wrong with the kids today?


but this story doesn't really have much to do with that, i don't think this is the first time a stupid 14yr old put something in their teachers drink. and more beatings aren't the answer, thats probably why these kids are so screwed up.

 

[gopunk]

but this story doesn't really have much to do with that, i don't think this is the first time a stupid 14yr old put something in their teachers drink. and more beatings aren't the answer, thats probably why these kids are so screwed up.

i completely agree... it is completely possible to raise healthy children without violence.

 

[shiner]

<< it is completely possible to raise healthy children without violence >>


Violence yes, but a good swat on the ass is needed now and then. Nothing gets a kids attention like a nice case of the red ass now and then. Tell me, which is more of a deterrent sitting a kid down for a timeout or a belt across the pooper?

 

[NetworkDad]

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Agreed. >>

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Another vote for the parents.

 

[gopunk]

<< it is completely possible to raise healthy children without violence >>


Violence yes, but a good swat on the ass is needed now and then. Nothing gets a kids attention like a nice case of the red ass now and then. Tell me, which is more of a deterrent sitting a kid down for a timeout or a belt across the pooper?

in the short term, probably the latter. however that doesn't make it a better punishment.

good resource

It is ineffective: Spanking a child will stop the child from misbehaving for the moment, but studies have shown that the child's compliance will only last for a short time; corporal punishment actually increases the child's non-compliant behavior in the future.

It trains a child to use violence: Spanking can teach children that it is acceptable for the strong to use force against the weak -- the concept "Might makes right" is regularly reinforced. They have an increased likelihood of becoming more aggressive towards their siblings, their fellow students, and (later in life) against their spouses and their own children. Violence as a way of behaving is a learned response.

Spanking creates fear in the child: "The message a toddler gets from a slap or spanking is that a parent or other loved and trusted adult is prepared to induce pain and even do physical harm to force unquestioning obedience. That's terrifying to a little kid...However well-intentioned, a slap registers as the shattering of the whole deal between parent and child. Young children are left awash in feelings of fear, shame, rage, hostility, self-destructiveness and betrayal that they can't yet resolve or manage."

 

[shiner]

Don't buy it.....spanking was my primary form of punishment as a child and I didn't turn out to be some screwed up violent person. In fact I think that's what kept me in line. I was far more afraid of a spanking from my Dad than I was my Mom's poor excuses for punishment. She subscribed to the same school of thought that brought about the whole timeout method. She would do the whole "you need to sit in the corner and think about what you did" thing and that never bothered me. Now a spanking put the fear of God into me and kept me from repeating a dumbass thing that I shouldn't have done in the first place.

 

[gopunk]

<< Don't buy it.....spanking was my primary form of punishment as a child and I didn't turn out to be some screwed up violent person. In fact I think that's what kept me in line. I was far more afraid of a spanking from my Dad than I was my Mom's poor excuses for punishment. She subscribed to the same school of thought that brought about the whole timeout method. She would do the whole "you need to sit in the corner and think about what you did" thing and that never bothered me. Now a spanking put the fear of God into me and kept me from repeating a dumbass thing that I shouldn't have done in the first place. >>



you do realize, that there are other forms of non-violent punishment that do not involve simply sitting in a corner, right? just because your mom's non-violent methods were not effective, does not mean that all non-violent methods will be ineffective. i refuse to accept the notion that it there is no alternative to putting "the fear of God" into a small child.

btw: http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/spanked.html

 

[shiner]

Yes there are other methods but I've never seen one of them work. I have several friends and relatives with young to teenage children and all of the ones that try to discipline them without ever using some form of corporal punishment have terribly behaved children. They run wild, tell their parents to shut up frequently, and have no fear of punishment whatsoever. The friends and family that don't spare the rod have MUCH better behaved children. You may disagree but I'm just telling you what I have observed with my own eyes.

 

[Swanny]

Well, they're dumb. What you I say.

Personally I think kids like that should be either shot or taken in by the government and deported to Mexico to do slave labor.

And, yes, I'm 15 years old too.

 

[ScottyB]

My mom used to tell me every time I was bad Santa took oneof my toys of his sled. She always used no violent means, except for the occassional hair tug/ear pull, and I never have gotten in trouble outside of home.

 

[Elita1]

My method is: do what works, without traumatizing the kid. Better than no discipline at all, or worse, half-assed attempts that seem so common nowadays.
And it's the last part of the method that's the trickiest. But I work hard at it.

 

[Cyberian]

<< WTF is wrong with kids these days? >>

"Youth today love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority, no respect for older people, and talk nonsense when they should be working. Young people do not stand up any longer when adults enter the room. They contradict their parents, talk too much in company, guzzle their food, lay their legs on the table and tyrannize their elders."



















Socrates (470 BC - 399 BC)

 

[gopunk]

<< Yes there are other methods but I've never seen one of them work. I have several friends and relatives with young to teenage children and all of the ones that try to discipline them without ever using some form of corporal punishment have terribly behaved children. They run wild, tell their parents to shut up frequently, and have no fear of punishment whatsoever. The friends and family that don't spare the rod have MUCH better behaved children. You may disagree but I'm just telling you what I have observed with my own eyes. >>



granted, it is what you have seen with your own eyes, but i would maintain that what you witness is not non-violent punishment, it is a lack of effective punishment. the two are not one and the same. effective non-violent punishment takes a lot more work and effort to implement, which is why you will often see failed attempts at it. when done right however, there is no doubt in my mind it is a more beneficial form of punishment.

 

[apoppin]

<< << WTF is wrong with kids these days? >>

"Youth today love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority, no respect for older people, and talk nonsense when they should be working. Young people do not stand up any longer when adults enter the room. They contradict their parents, talk too much in company, guzzle their food, lay their legs on the table and tyrannize their elders."


Socrates (470 BC - 399 BC) >>



Let'ssee, it was hemlock, not glass cleaner they slipped into his drink.

 

[HOWITIS]

anyone who is still spanking their kid when they are 14-18 have some serious problems. you're nuts if you think spanking a teenager could help anything.

 

[rpc64]

<< True. I blame it on a lack of beatings. Back when I was younger if I had done something to end up in an "Alternative School" my parents would have taken turns taking a belt to my ass. These days parents let their kids run wild and walk all over them but don't do a damn thing about it. Well I take that back, Johnny may get a time out to think about things occasionally. There just seems to be zero discipline of kids these days. >>



I agree with this.



<< what i think is funny is that you can go back a thousand years and people are saying the exact same things, such as whats wrong with the younger generation, and people who think the world is out of control. >>



But I also agree with this somewhat. What I do know is that I see a heck of a lot of parents screwing up really bad with their children. Oh yeah and:



<< Maybe the teacher gave them detentions because they wouldn't touch his weewee. >>



ROFLMAO