WTF: local dealer advertising Nissan Altima @38MPG

RU482

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I was looking through the car adds in the paper, and the full page Nissan/Subaru caught my eye. They were advertising a Nissan Altima (no hybrids here in Iowa) as getting 38MPG.

This is incorrect, right?

If yes, is this legal?
 

Zenmervolt

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I was looking through the car adds in the paper, and the full page Nissan/Subaru caught my eye. They were advertising a Nissan Altima (no hybrids here in Iowa) as getting 38MPG.

This is incorrect, right?

If yes, is this legal?

Even the hybrid isn't rated at 38 mpg, so no, it's not right.

However, this is likely a printer's error and not an intentional deception on the dealer's part.

ZV
 

SearchMaster

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FWIW, my dad regularly gets 38MPG in his '10 Altima on long highway trips and generally averages 32-33 overall. He is an older man and drives like one but I am fairly impressed with the mileage that car gets for its relative size.
 

LTC8K6

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FWIW, my dad regularly gets 38MPG in his '10 Altima on long highway trips and generally averages 32-33 overall. He is an older man and drives like one but I am fairly impressed with the mileage that car gets for its relative size.

Is that based on the mileage display?

Both numbers are way above the ratings and reports and pretty unlikely, imo.
 

chin311

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my altima mpg gauge is usually pretty accurate, within a .5 or 1 of the real number...which for me is only like 23-24mpg but thats mostly city driving and not light footing
 

Vetterin

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Probably should have said 28 mpg as they are rated at 23/32. Even the hybrid is only rated at 35/33 so I don't see 38 mpg being reached anywhere.
 

TraumaRN

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We have a local Hyundai dealer that advertises on the radio the the Sonata GLS(non hybrid) get 42MPG...which it definitely DOES NOT.
 

LTC8K6

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It is possible to get above EPA ratings. Just ask hypermilers.

On the highway, yes. Not overall...

Both numbers are way higher than expected.

Also, the EPA now lists reports from car owners, so you can get an idea of what people claim.

I can get 23mpg on the hwy out of my 2008 Grand Cherokee 4X4 with the 5.7L hemi V8/V4, if I try very hard to get good mileage.
 

dainthomas

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I was looking through the car adds in the paper, and the full page Nissan/Subaru caught my eye. They were advertising a Nissan Altima (no hybrids here in Iowa) as getting 38MPG.

This is incorrect, right?

If yes, is this legal?

Why are there no Altima hybrids in Iowa?
 

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Welp I definitely just saw this commercial, it's Jim Miller Nissan in Cedar Rapids. I just sent them this e-mail:

"Hello, I just saw your television commercial regarding the 38MPG Altima. Can you please tell me which Altima trim or model gets 33mpg? The reason I ask is because Nissan rates them from the factory at no higher than 33mpg."

Doubt it will get a response.
 

RU482

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I didn't even notice that. OP is quite wrong.

OP, where you located? I've seen a couple dealers in Cedar Rapids advertising them.

I work in Cedar Rapids...yep, Jim Miller Nissan. They must be taking advertising advice from the crooked fux down the road at Chevyland. I have yet to see a NEW Hybrid Altima advertised here. In fact, my understanding is that it is that they are only offered in IL, CA, NY, and maybe a few other metros.

They are advertising the Altima at "up to 38MPG" and the smaller model (I forget what it is) at up to 40MPG. So I doubt it's a typo, but rather a stretch of the truth.
 
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JulesMaximus

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I was looking through the car adds in the paper, and the full page Nissan/Subaru caught my eye. They were advertising a Nissan Altima (no hybrids here in Iowa) as getting 38MPG.

This is incorrect, right?

If yes, is this legal?

No hybrids in Iowa? WTF???
 

KentState

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If I recall the window sticker, the give a range for both city and highway mileage with the average being the large bold number. Maybe the are just pulling the fine print number and advertising that.
 

bryanW1995

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No Altima hybrids - they are only sold in a few states.

Typically with specialty cars like that, the dealer is required to buy $10,000 + worth of special tools and spend thousands more on training for 1 or 2 techs so that they're certified to work on them. After all of that, THEN he can sell the car. the big benfit of hybrids is significantly improved city mpg, and since there are few large urban areas in iowa, most/all of their nissan dealers probably just decided it wasn't worth the expense to be able to sell them.

Probably this.


Ha, that's funny that they're using that, but it's perfectly legit when they say things like "up to 36 mpg" or whatever. The older window stickers used to say "80% of vehicles will get between 25 and 35 mpg city" in the fine print instead of "the majority". The reasons are many, not just driving habits/maintenance/tire pressure/age of vehicle/etc, but there are also significant differences between 2 brand new cars sitting side by side. You can have sequentially vin-number vehicles get 10 mpg difference in some extreme cases. The EPA guideline is simply an average, and it's a rough average at that. It's best used to compare different vehicles, so that if you compare a 30mpg altima to a 20mpg dodge truck, you can be resonably certain that you'll get around 10mpg more in the altima (keeping in mind that the trucks are really 15-25 and the altima is really 25-35).
 
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lurk3r

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My 06 gets 27, my driving can pretty much be classified as city, and I drive it like I stole it. I'm sure if I gave it to my old man he'd get 35 hwy with no problem, and they made a bunch of improvements to the engine in the last few years.
 

LTC8K6

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Probably this.


Those numbers are not for that vehicle, but vehicles in that class, as it clearly states. So, they could not legally say up to 36mpg for that vehicle. That isn't what the label says.

That would mean you could claim the 4 cylinder Accord's mileage for the V6, since they are clearly the same class of vehicle.
 

Capt Caveman

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Those numbers are not for that vehicle, but vehicles in that class, as it clearly states. So, they could not legally say up to 36mpg for that vehicle. That isn't what the label says.

That would mean you could claim the 4 cylinder Accord's mileage for the V6, since they are clearly the same class of vehicle.

I think you should look at the bottom left hand corner and not the bottom right.
 
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