WTF...Our tanks suck?

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: OffTopic

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
Regarding the recent news articles about our tanks being taken out of action. What the hell is the point of using tanks in that situation when I couple of Iraquis with a RPG can take the multi-million dollar unit out with one hit? The tank listed in the above was an M1 Abrams. Do we even have anything that can withstand a low tech RPG?


Note that I didn't post this in P&N as I am talking about the technological aspect of things, not the political.

It doesn't suck when you aren't hit, but it always suck when you are down. The armors & technology give the US a very big advantage; however the arrogant of the administration is what getting the little guys kill.

I'm surprised that some people say war is fair or unfair. Everyone fight for their survival in a war by any mean is the uttermost important. Strange that the US doesn't mention that they are the cowards that hide behind armor tanks, satellites & planes.

"Marine: Iraqi tactics 'cowardly'

Some 280 Iraqis have died in the fighting in the city, Fallujah city hospital director Rafie al-Issawi told the AP. He said 180 more have been killed elsewhere in the country, including Ramadi.

U.S. troops place the blame for many of the civilian deaths on the insurgents.

"We're facing an enemy that's unafraid to fight from behind women and children, from occupied apartment buildings, from protected sites,"a Marine officer said in Fallujah during a television report.

"To characterize their resistance as anything but kind of cowardly would be to give them more credit than they deserve," he said."

So you're saying we should instead hide behind women and children like the Iraqis so we won't be cowardly?

I'll never understand the logic of civilians who insist on making themselves big targets in the middle of a heated battle. When a firefight is going on, the logical thing to do if you were a civilian would to get as far away from there as possible, yet I see images on the news of women and children walking about as if it were nothing.

As far as cowardice goes, Iraqi's are right up there with the Somalis when the US fought them in '93. As brutal as the Japanese were in war against the US in WWII, they didn't resort to cowardice to these levels we're seeing now. Hiding behind women and children??? Sickening...

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: OffTopic

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
Regarding the recent news articles about our tanks being taken out of action. What the hell is the point of using tanks in that situation when I couple of Iraquis with a RPG can take the multi-million dollar unit out with one hit? The tank listed in the above was an M1 Abrams. Do we even have anything that can withstand a low tech RPG?


Note that I didn't post this in P&N as I am talking about the technological aspect of things, not the political.

It doesn't suck when you aren't hit, but it always suck when you are down. The armors & technology give the US a very big advantage; however the arrogant of the administration is what getting the little guys kill.

I'm surprised that some people say war is fair or unfair. Everyone fight for their survival in a war by any mean is the uttermost important. Strange that the US doesn't mention that they are the cowards that hide behind armor tanks, satellites & planes.

"Marine: Iraqi tactics 'cowardly'

Some 280 Iraqis have died in the fighting in the city, Fallujah city hospital director Rafie al-Issawi told the AP. He said 180 more have been killed elsewhere in the country, including Ramadi.

U.S. troops place the blame for many of the civilian deaths on the insurgents.

"We're facing an enemy that's unafraid to fight from behind women and children, from occupied apartment buildings, from protected sites,"a Marine officer said in Fallujah during a television report.

"To characterize their resistance as anything but kind of cowardly would be to give them more credit than they deserve," he said."

So you're saying we should instead hide behind women and children like the Iraqis so we won't be cowardly?

I'll never understand the logic of civilians who insist on making themselves big targets in the middle of a heated battle. When a firefight is going on, the logical thing to do if you were a civilian would to get as far away from there as possible, yet I see images on the news of women and children walking about as if it were nothing.

One news channel said the children were spotters for the militias. They would walk around pretending they're doing nothing and then run back and report on the positions.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
tom hanks once stopped a tank with his 9mm. it was on a bridge, so he shot it and the gun called in planes to blow it up

Bite your tongue! You just called a Colt 1911(A) a 9mm.

Death to the infidel!

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I thought you were talking about canada's tanks.

Tank. Singular.

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: OffTopic

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
Regarding the recent news articles about our tanks being taken out of action. What the hell is the point of using tanks in that situation when I couple of Iraquis with a RPG can take the multi-million dollar unit out with one hit? The tank listed in the above was an M1 Abrams. Do we even have anything that can withstand a low tech RPG?


Note that I didn't post this in P&N as I am talking about the technological aspect of things, not the political.

It doesn't suck when you aren't hit, but it always suck when you are down. The armors & technology give the US a very big advantage; however the arrogant of the administration is what getting the little guys kill.

I'm surprised that some people say war is fair or unfair. Everyone fight for their survival in a war by any mean is the uttermost important. Strange that the US doesn't mention that they are the cowards that hide behind armor tanks, satellites & planes.

"Marine: Iraqi tactics 'cowardly'

Some 280 Iraqis have died in the fighting in the city, Fallujah city hospital director Rafie al-Issawi told the AP. He said 180 more have been killed elsewhere in the country, including Ramadi.

U.S. troops place the blame for many of the civilian deaths on the insurgents.

"We're facing an enemy that's unafraid to fight from behind women and children, from occupied apartment buildings, from protected sites,"a Marine officer said in Fallujah during a television report.

"To characterize their resistance as anything but kind of cowardly would be to give them more credit than they deserve," he said."

So you're saying we should instead hide behind women and children like the Iraqis so we won't be cowardly?

I'll never understand the logic of civilians who insist on making themselves big targets in the middle of a heated battle. When a firefight is going on, the logical thing to do if you were a civilian would to get as far away from there as possible, yet I see images on the news of women and children walking about as if it were nothing.

One news channel said the children were spotters for the militias. They would walk around pretending they're doing nothing and then run back and report on the positions.

And if they take a stray round as a result, so be it. Zero sympathy from me. Same thing goes for these idiotic Iraqi mothers who let their kids run around outside in the middle of a warzone, then cry to the cameras when their children are killed in the crossfire. Once again, zero sympathy from me.

 

[OffTopic1]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: OffTopic

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
Regarding the recent news articles about our tanks being taken out of action. What the hell is the point of using tanks in that situation when I couple of Iraquis with a RPG can take the multi-million dollar unit out with one hit? The tank listed in the above was an M1 Abrams. Do we even have anything that can withstand a low tech RPG?


Note that I didn't post this in P&N as I am talking about the technological aspect of things, not the political.

It doesn't suck when you aren't hit, but it always suck when you are down. The armors & technology give the US a very big advantage; however the arrogant of the administration is what getting the little guys kill.

I'm surprised that some people say war is fair or unfair. Everyone fight for their survival in a war by any mean is the uttermost important. Strange that the US doesn't mention that they are the cowards that hide behind armor tanks, satellites & planes.

"Marine: Iraqi tactics 'cowardly'

Some 280 Iraqis have died in the fighting in the city, Fallujah city hospital director Rafie al-Issawi told the AP. He said 180 more have been killed elsewhere in the country, including Ramadi.

U.S. troops place the blame for many of the civilian deaths on the insurgents.

"We're facing an enemy that's unafraid to fight from behind women and children, from occupied apartment buildings, from protected sites,"a Marine officer said in Fallujah during a television report.

"To characterize their resistance as anything but kind of cowardly would be to give them more credit than they deserve," he said."

So you're saying we should instead hide behind women and children like the Iraqis so we won't be cowardly?

I mean call themselves cowards too just to be fair

Like I said war ain?t fair.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

God help us if I am ever drafted.

I figure that if you are in a war zone and you are not a civilian running like hell to get out of it, you are a target regardless of age (ok, maybe 2 year olds) and gender.

 

[gregshin]

rocket-propelled grenades are most efficient when deployed in small groups. Two or three shots at a vehicle from close range increases the chances of destroying the vehicle, and can even be effective in destroying an armored tank. A first shot takes out the driver's viewing prism, and further shots work their way through the armor, concentrating on one particular spot.

how a RPG's works

 

[OffTopic1]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: OffTopic

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
Regarding the recent news articles about our tanks being taken out of action. What the hell is the point of using tanks in that situation when I couple of Iraquis with a RPG can take the multi-million dollar unit out with one hit? The tank listed in the above was an M1 Abrams. Do we even have anything that can withstand a low tech RPG?


Note that I didn't post this in P&N as I am talking about the technological aspect of things, not the political.

It doesn't suck when you aren't hit, but it always suck when you are down. The armors & technology give the US a very big advantage; however the arrogant of the administration is what getting the little guys kill.

I'm surprised that some people say war is fair or unfair. Everyone fight for their survival in a war by any mean is the uttermost important. Strange that the US doesn't mention that they are the cowards that hide behind armor tanks, satellites & planes.

"Marine: Iraqi tactics 'cowardly'

Some 280 Iraqis have died in the fighting in the city, Fallujah city hospital director Rafie al-Issawi told the AP. He said 180 more have been killed elsewhere in the country, including Ramadi.

U.S. troops place the blame for many of the civilian deaths on the insurgents.

"We're facing an enemy that's unafraid to fight from behind women and children, from occupied apartment buildings, from protected sites,"a Marine officer said in Fallujah during a television report.

"To characterize their resistance as anything but kind of cowardly would be to give them more credit than they deserve," he said."

So you're saying we should instead hide behind women and children like the Iraqis so we won't be cowardly?

I'll never understand the logic of civilians who insist on making themselves big targets in the middle of a heated battle. When a firefight is going on, the logical thing to do if you were a civilian would to get as far away from there as possible, yet I see images on the news of women and children walking about as if it were nothing.

One news channel said the children were spotters for the militias. They would walk around pretending they're doing nothing and then run back and report on the positions.

Chidren have been use as the eyes & ears for war since history began. In the World wars children were use by both the axis & allied, same goes with the Vietnamese & Somalis.

On one is safe from the war machine, and there is no such thing as neutral. "If you are not with us you are the enemy."

 

[Bootprint]

Anybody know anything about this dead tank?

 

[GreasyBurger]

We've been in Iraq for over a year. There are literally thousands and thousands of M1 Abrams tanks in Iraq. Now our tanks suck because ONE M1 Abrams gets hit by 'who knows what'???


You're funny.