WTF teachers make on avg 76k in Orange County.

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ShawnD1

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Become a teacher then if you don't like.

Pretty much this.

:awe: omg doctors make like 200k! That job is so freakin easy!
:hmm: Why don't you become one?
:awe: University told me to fuck off because my grades are horrible.

Repeat for every other job people say pays too much. Bus drivers in my city make something like 60k and have crazy benefits. Why don't I become one? It's a fucking bus driver job. I don't want to do that and neither do you. That's why they get paid that much.
 

holden j caufield

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It is a vary dangerous job though so I think the best of the best do deserve that money.

What bothers me is when bureaucrats are making more money than someone in the private sector doing the same job. There's so many here in Ontario making over $100,000 for jobs that might pay half that on average, if you're lucky, out in the real world. There were subway ticket collectors in Toronto making that! They claim that's because of overtime but I'd sure like to see what overtime rates they get!! Plus they get benefits to die for. The government then has the gall to raise my taxes to pay for those s.o.b's salaries while cutting back on my services. Oh sorry, they can't pick up my garbage every week but at least the bureaucrats are all getting nice raises.

no doubt cops IMO have a very difficult job. There was a recent debate about firefighters and how they were making 200k+ with OT and the reason it was costing the taxpayer so much was they couldn't "afford" to bring on new firefighters because the exorbitant pensions and benefits. Basically the benefits were so great it's cheaper to pay crazy OT wages.
 

Locut0s

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sorry...I have a puny brain.

Are you calling me conservative or the OP?

I'm saying that those who complain about teachers salaries and most government salaries, I agree there ARE some that are way overinflated though, are conservative. It's the same conservative yammering you hear time and again, my hard earned money going to pay their salaries, blah blah blah blah blah blah...
 

rudeguy

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I'm saying that those who complain about teachers salaries and most government salaries, I agree there ARE some that are way overinflated though, are conservative. It's the same conservative yammering you hear time and again, my hard earned money going to pay their salaries, blah blah blah blah blah blah...

Really? Most describe me as pretty far to the right and I see no problem in public servants getting paid well for what they do. I'm not saying that my views represent every conservative...just that I've never heard that before.
 

Locut0s

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Really? Most describe me as pretty far to the right and I see no problem in public servants getting paid well for what they do. I'm not saying that my views represent every conservative...just that I've never heard that before.

I guess it depends on how you define yourself as conservative. What values do you hold that you think are conservative? I think I also thought you were to the right of the political spectrum but I can't remember exactly why.

Course most in the states would consider my a communist/socialist or something so take that for what it's worth.
 

Regs

Lifer
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Most of these teachers have been working in the same place for over countless years. In NJ 76k will get you a nice town house.

The cost of living is really the problem. We're pricing ourselves out of the Market and globalization takes no mercy on people who will not sacrifice.
 

holden j caufield

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once again....why do you care how much someone else is making?


Jealous much?

no I'm not jealous, there are some of us who don't want to get ripped off, try to fight for things right and see how poor and inefficient things are done.

Is it right for a city worker who probably embezzled money from a city to still receive a 500k pension? Yes I'm questioning why a city worker is paid 1/2 a million dollars a year as pension. No I'm not jealous and would not want 500k if it meant stealing from the public.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2246646/posts

You're an idiot if you think just questioning pay makes someone jealous. Some numbers don't line up and should be questioned.
 
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rudeguy

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I guess it depends on how you define yourself as conservative. What values do you hold that you think are conservative? I think I also thought you were to the right of the political spectrum but I can't remember exactly why.

Course most in the states would consider my a communist/socialist or something so take that for what it's worth.

I believe in small government. I believe in limiting government and its spending. I believe that Washington needs to be gutted and have all the feces thrown out. I think that killing babies is wrong. I believe we all have the right to defend ourselves. I believe in "eye for an eye" style justice. I believe that our great country is in danger of failing if we keep letting the government grow and keep taxing the citizens more.
 

rudeguy

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no I'm not jealous, there are some of us who don't want to get ripped off, try to fight for things right and see how poor and inefficient things are done.

Is it right for a city worker who probably embezzled money from a city to still receive a 500k pension? Yes I'm questioning why a city worker is paid 1/2 a million dollars a year as pension. No I'm not jealous and would not want 500k if it meant stealing from the public.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2246646/posts

You're an idiot if you think just questioning pay makes someone jealous. Some numbers don't line up and should be questioned.

oh ok. So you are going to your next city counsel meeting and you are just getting your thoughts in order on here?
 

Locut0s

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I believe in small government. I believe in limiting government and its spending. I believe that Washington needs to be gutted and have all the feces thrown out. I think that killing babies is wrong. I believe we all have the right to defend ourselves. I believe in "eye for an eye" style justice. I believe that our great country is in danger of failing if we keep letting the government grow and keep taxing the citizens more.

Yeah your conservative.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
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Yeah your conservative.

and my roomie is a hard core Dem. He's a psychology professor specializing in addiction and I'm an alcoholic.

We have some interesting conversations. Luckily I know how to debate without arguing.
 

TehMac

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Become a cop or a firefighter then. Or don't call 911.


Apparently these are the times when jealousy rears its ugly head.

I'm not sure you're getting at what everyone else is, or if you're being dense, or if you're a firefighter.
 

Chaotic42

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I've heard stories of cops and firefighters making ~150-200k after all the OT. It seems pretty crazy especially how their pensions are determined and us taxpayers have to foot the bill.

And I know cops who have to buy their own kevlar and sidearms and have to work OT to get by.
 

Hector13

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once again....why do you care how much someone else is making?


Jealous much?

Maybe it's cause our (or his) taxes pay for the inefficiency? Not sure about you, but I prefer paying less, not more for something.
 
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preslove

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Teachers don't make enough in the US. Where I'm from, the starting salary for a teacher is $34k.
 

holden j caufield

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And I know cops who have to buy their own kevlar and sidearms and have to work OT to get by.

I know cops have a tough life, probably wrong of me to put it out there. They deal with lots of BS everyday but around here they really are just dishing out tickets, cops in compton, oakland, st. louis etc should be paid 3x what they get. But around here the OT is abused, they run check points with 4 or 5 times the number of cops needed (by fed regulations) just to rack OT etc.
 

Hector13

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not all teachers are worth that much, but the service they provide is basically invaluable

Why is it invaluable? Food and water are much more basic necessities, but that doesn't mean that the guy "flipping burgers" at McDonald's should necessarily earn more than a school teacher.

Education, like almost everything else, obeys the laws of supply and demand. The problem here is that teachers' unions distort the cost of public education. Until you "fix" that, we're always going to have too few teachers and overpaid teachers.
 

Hacp

Lifer
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Teachers don't make enough in the US. Where I'm from, the starting salary for a teacher is $34k.

This is a function of unions and seniority. Bust the unions and good fresh teachers can actually make more than bad tenured ones. Amazing concept I know.
 
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