WTF! - Texas bill would mandate Christianity in public schools.

[kage69]

Negatory. Kage69 is a coocoo bird who secretly admires me and shows affection with antagony. 🤓

How could I have a thing for such a coward? One afflicted with such a severe case of intellectual and moral bankruptcy no less. As. If. Ugh.

Though, full disclosure, I do actually appreciate how you provide yourself as a target here, going out of your way to be such an illustrative example of why you and repugs are so full of shit. The gusto with which you embrace hypocrisy and evil, the shit eating grin you wear while shrugging off inconvenient facts . What can I say? You're helping what's happening, and for that I thank you. I guess that's admirable?

The Southern Baptist Convention has lost 3 million members since 2006, about half of that in the last five years

Religious “nones” are growing faster among Democrats than Republicans, though their ranks are swelling in both partisan coalitions.

 

[Moonbeam]

Everyone is free to follow their North Star so long as it aligns with Christian values IMO.

I agree, but there can be only one reason why, in my opinion, that statement is correct and that is because every North Star points in the same direction. They are all fingers pointing at the Moon, but they are not the Moon. The Ten Commandments point North but they are not the North Pole itself.

 

[pmv]

How could I have a thing for such a coward? One afflicted with such a severe case of intellectual and moral bankruptcy no less. As. If. Ugh.

Though, full disclosure, I do actually appreciate how you provide yourself as a target here, going out of your way to be such an illustrative example of why you and repugs are so full of shit. The gusto with which you embrace hypocrisy and evil, the shit eating grin you wear while shrugging off inconvenient facts . What can I say? You're helping what's happening, and for that I thank you. I guess that's admirable?

The Southern Baptist Convention has lost 3 million members since 2006, about half of that in the last five years

Religious “nones” are growing faster among Democrats than Republicans, though their ranks are swelling in both partisan coalitions.

Not the most useful of stats. All it shows is the percentage _change_ in the last decade. Hard to know what any of that means without knowing the baseline figures or the long-term trend. Not even clear what the percentage means - percentage of the existing group in each case, or of the total population or the total size of the given demographic?

Only thing I could find for the UK was this - which, interestingly, shows a small shift _to_ Christianity from non-belief in the same time period (I'm guessing because of immigration - in my experience Christians are generally recent migrant communities, whether African Protestants or East European Catholics - I'm actually surprised the large influx of Poles hasn't had any noticable effect on the number of Catholics). So looking at percentage change over just the last decade would paint probably an unrepresentatively-hopeful picture for Christianity.

 

[kage69]

Not the most useful of stats. All it shows is the percentage _change_ in the last decade. Hard to know what any of that means without knowing the baseline figures or the long-term trend. Not even clear what the percentage means - percentage of the existing group in each case, or of the total population or the total size of the given demographic?

Only thing I could find for the UK was this - which, interestingly, shows a small shift _to_ Christianity from non-belief in the same time period (I'm guessing because of immigration - in my experience Christians are generally recent migrant communities, whether African Protestants or East European Catholics - I'm actually surprised the large influx of Poles hasn't had any noticable effect on the number of Catholics). So looking at percentage change over just the last decade would paint probably an unrepresentatively-hopeful picture for Christianity.

A person posting data from the UK in a thread about Texas is criticizing my links as not useful?

*sensible chuckle here*

That was more like a summary for Felix, was trying to keep it simple. Please do avail yourself of the linked articles and not just the graph if you are interested. I think you'll find a trend quite removed from what you are seeing on a different continent I guess. Doesn't look good for them over here at all, thankfully.

 

[Vic]

I disagree strongly with the notion that one person's freedom ends at another person's opinion.
And like it or not, "Christian values" is an opinion. As proof of this, I offer that my opinion of Christian values is (for example) Matthew 7:12 or 25:40. My belief is Christian values are about striving (and of course failing) to be a Christ-like person.
While Felix's opinion of Christian values is probably from Leviticus and entirely external, ie that other people are the ones failing and require punishment.
And my opinion of that is that it's the opposite of Christian values, despite being championed by so many vocal "Christians."
So like I said, keep your opinions away from our freedoms.

 

[HomerJS]

Negatory. Kage69 is a coocoo bird who secretly admires me and shows affection with antagony. 🤓

Yes you do. Otherwise, you wouldn't have voted for Trump.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I disagree strongly with the notion that one person's freedom ends at another person's opinion.
And like it or not, "Christian values" is an opinion. As proof of this, I offer that my opinion of Christian values is (for example) Matthew 7:12 or 25:40. My belief is Christian values are about striving (and of course failing) to be a Christ-like person.
While Felix's opinion of Christian values is probably from Leviticus and entirely external, ie that other people are the ones failing and require punishment.
And my opinion of that is that it's the opposite of Christian values, despite being championed by so many vocal "Christians."
So like I said, keep your opinions away from our freedoms.

My hope is that we can all reason our way to understanding vs the usual rhetoric.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I agree, but there can be only one reason why, in my opinion, that statement is correct and that is because every North Star points in the same direction. They are all fingers pointing at the Moon, but they are not the Moon. The Ten Commandments point North but they are not the North Pole itself.

Seems kind of circular to me but I guess everyones compass will vary I suppose.

 

[Moonbeam]

Seems kind of circular to me but I guess everyones compass will vary I suppose.

I would say we all the same needle but what we call North is a product of our imagination. If the imagination dies to self realization North in the imagination disappears leaving only that North that really is. I try not to put much faith in what I imagine North is because I am a victim of programming. The ego is the one that depends on belief for self aggrandizement. Anyway that's how I see it.

I think of it as if God created you with a compass that makes you divine within your being and worthy of infinite love but the world told you your worthless unless it points to anything other than your own true inner being. You were given for free what they told you you don't deserve unless you earn it. Look how deep that need to earn runs. The only Christians are the ones who really believe they are forgiven and there's just about none of them in my opinion.

 

[ch33zw1z]

My hope is that we can all reason our way to understanding vs the usual rhetoric.

Good luck with that!

 

[Commodus]

Not the most useful of stats. All it shows is the percentage _change_ in the last decade. Hard to know what any of that means without knowing the baseline figures or the long-term trend. Not even clear what the percentage means - percentage of the existing group in each case, or of the total population or the total size of the given demographic?

Only thing I could find for the UK was this - which, interestingly, shows a small shift _to_ Christianity from non-belief in the same time period (I'm guessing because of immigration - in my experience Christians are generally recent migrant communities, whether African Protestants or East European Catholics - I'm actually surprised the large influx of Poles hasn't had any noticable effect on the number of Catholics). So looking at percentage change over just the last decade would paint probably an unrepresentatively-hopeful picture for Christianity.

A better example for the UK: the latest census data (2021) indicates that England and Wales are now Christian minority regions. That is, Christians no longer represent more than half the population. The fastest-growing segment? No religion, of course.

Canada is headed in a similar direction. In 2017-2019, 63% of census responders identified as Christian. In the 2021 census, only 53% did. Non-religion was again the fastest-growing segment. And that 53% figure may be misleading, as many Quebec residents treat "French Catholic" as an ethnic identity rather than a reflection of their beliefs.

Felix won't want to admit it, but there's a generational shift in attitudes toward religion that's unlikely to reverse. It's difficult to convince a teen with a Pride pin and Darwin sticker that they should embrace a religious text that rejects science and endorses homophobia and slavery.

 

[IronWing]

Canadians are also confronting their Indian residential school legacy, a blend of government and religion that produced sadistic brutality. It’s hard to embrace institutional religion with that on one’s mind.

But fear not, there are plenty of charlatans and marks out there to fill the pews.

 

[Vic]

My hope is that we can all reason our way to understanding vs the usual rhetoric.

That's quite the beam in your eye. No wonder you can't see.

 

[ch33zw1z]

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That's quite the beam in your eye. No wonder you can't see.

/caseclosed

 

[FelixDeCat]

/caseclosed

Lol no. Trump is looney tunes and he speaks for noone except for rabble rousers.

 

[Vic]

Lol no. Trump is looney tunes and he speaks for noone except for rabble rousers.

Can't say that I'm surprised to see that your 'Christian values' also don't include the 9th commandment.

 

[HomerJS]

Lol no. Trump is looney tunes and he speaks for noone except for rabble rousers.

And the people who voted for him. Get it, Skippy?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Lol no. Trump is looney tunes and he speaks for noone except for rabble rousers.

70 million voters say otherwise. His continued leadership of the GOP says otherwise.

#dealwithit

 

[brycejones]

Lol no. Trump is looney tunes and he speaks for noone except for rabble rousers.

You voted for him twice and his rhetoric hasn't changed since first started running for President. So yeah he does speak for you, you were perfectly happy to have him speak for you. And based on your hatred of the constitution and the law of conservative accusations being a confession. You have just told us you are insane and know it, Trump speaks for you and you are a rabble rousing troll.

Thank you for that tri-fecta of honesty.

 

[FelixDeCat]

You voted for him twice and his rhetoric hasn't changed since first started running for President. So yeah he does speak for you, you were perfectly happy to have him speak for you. And based on your hatred of the constitution and the law of conservative accusations being a confession. You have just told us you are insane and know it, Trump speaks for you and you are a rabble rousing troll.

Thank you for that tri-fecta of honesty.

Seriously man, weed does a brain bad mmmkay?

Plus I revoked my votes for him and everyone knows this. Get with the program.

Old man Brandon is a catastrophe on America letting millions and millions of illegals overrun our once great nation. He should be impeached for his disregard for not protecting this country. And you voted for this crazy old man!

 

[Pohemi]

Plus I revoked my votes for him and everyone knows this. Get with the program.

Votes. As in, plural. At least you can be honest about voting for him AGAIN.

You're an idiot with no integrity. "Revoking your vote" doesn't mean a fucking thing after the fact, dipshit. You must be projecting your own drug habit to think and say shit like this.

'I took it back, so it doesn't count! Pay no attention to the fact that I'd vote for the same shit next time.'

 

[Vic]

Seriously man, weed does a brain bad mmmkay?

Plus I revoked my votes for him and everyone knows this. Get with the program.

Old man Brandon is a catastrophe on America letting millions and millions of illegals overrun our once great nation. He should be impeached for his disregard for not protecting this country. And you voted for this crazy old man!

Why don't your 'Christian values' include the biblical requirements to care for immigrants and refugees?

 

[sdifox]

Why don't your 'Christian values' include the biblical requirements to care for immigrants and refugees?

Those are Commie Christians.

 

[nakedfrog]

Seriously man, weed does a brain bad mmmkay?

Plus I revoked my votes for him and everyone knows this. Get with the program.

Old man Brandon is a catastrophe on America letting millions and millions of illegals overrun our once great nation. He should be impeached for his disregard for not protecting this country. And you voted for this crazy old man!

Fucking ignorant clown. Kindly eat shit and die, the eating shit part is optional, but recommended 😊

 

[ch33zw1z]

Why don't your 'Christian values' include the biblical requirements to care for immigrants and refugees?

https://imgur.com/a/FjyoPh1