WTF! - Texas bill would mandate Christianity in public schools.

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akugami

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'Rabbit trail", lol

Because she (Texas State Rep. Candy Noble) starts out in response to the State Rep. James Talarico by saying his comments are "leading", which I guess means that Talarico is somehow forcing her to say things she doesn't want to. Which, for anyone who is impartial, means she wants to keep her blinders on, and you're ripping them off and forcing her to look to the side.

If I had Talarico as my State Rep, I'd feel I was well represented even though we do not belong to the same religion.

I believe listening to the full conversation is more enlightening and shows how hypocritical Texas State Rep. Candy Noble is.

 

dphantom

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HomerJS

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Right back at your Fibby McLiar
establishment clause, also called establishment-of-religion clause, clause in the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution forbidding Congress from establishing a state religion. It prevents the passage of any law that gives preference to or forces belief in any one religion.
 

NWRMidnight

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All sorts of places. But we can start with the Ten Commandments.
Morals do not come from the ten commandments. The ten commandments are nothing more than a set of religious rules that can be followed or ignored. Regardless of what morals a person has.

It could be argued, and more factual to say the ten commandments where created from a specific set of morals. That is proven by the fact that the ten commandments have been altered from their original form. Example "I shall not kill" has been changed to "I shall not murder". Because killing someone is considered morally right, by a large amount of people, in specific circumstances, (self defense for example), where murder is not.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Right back at your Fibby McLiar


They don't hate the constitution, they love to cherry pick the pieces that allow fascism to take hold. Theocracy is their end game. See, game set match.
 

kage69

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Felix and these magats in Texas don't understand they are what completely undermine and disprove their claims of morality. It's pretty bizarre, I guess they are hoping everyone else shares their attention span issues?

The morality of children in cages, forcing 11 year old girls to give birth, or telling at risk people to fuck off about wearing masks during a pandemic, one that kills more Americans than all of our wars combined. Righteous stuff. But that's what godly people do apparently, when they're not supporting traitors performing coups. It's such a sick joke. I can't go a week without seeing news of at least 4-5 priests, pastors or youth ministers getting busted for either child porn or sexual assault of a minor. Sick people telling others how to live, no thanks.

This cult needs to hurry up and wither away, the cost they exact on the country is too high. We could get a lot of solutions implemented if it weren't for these regressive morons. My sympathies to all the non christians in Texas getting spit on by the GQP. I'd say make your vote count, but it appears the GQP leadership of Texas won't be allowing even an appearance of fair elections anymore. Like hell this SCOTUS will do anything.
 
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kitkat22

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Oh boy, I get to wax philosophical again!

Morals, the set of behaviors and rules we govern with, derive from the fact we have agency, the ability to choose, a finite time on this earth and the need to interact with our fellow humans. The writers of the Declaration of Independence summed it up actually quite well with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and all men (and women) are created equal.

Actually, the writers of the declaration and constitution knew full well morals do not derive from religion. During the era, there was a lot of philosophy and just intellectual thinking happening (see Ben Franklin's Common Sense) or Jefferson or Hamilton. They were able to see that our morals derive from the fact we exist as humans and the fact we have to interact with each other. They very specifically wrote to not endorse a religion because of a push for the moralities of that religion. The founder's clearly saw the effects of the Church of England on England and wanted the ability to practice their own religion without state interference.

Over our existence morals evolve and change, but always come back to the our ability to make a choice and how we interact with others. If you believe in a God, then the intent of commandments or directives is to guide those morals.

What I find interesting with this notion of the forcing the 10 commandments in the classroom is Jesus Christ summed them up with "love God and love your neighbor" all other commandments are based on this notion. Basically, right there - right there, even Jesus Christ acknowledges morals are derived from our interactions with one another.

The hard part is we each of different needs and definitions of what life is, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Consequently, we form structure, hierarchy and yes, governments to try to delineate what our interactions and consequences should be given certain circumstances.

So, are our morals derived from God? yes and no. There are plenty of successful societies with our perception of good morals that do not even believe in the 10 commandments or Christianity.

My recommendation - teach kids choices and consequences. Teach them we are all equal (something a lot of people in our country have a problem with) and that we respect each other despite our differences. The natural consequence of this would be the development of mature adults with morals that are probably not far off from the 10 commandments without forcing religion down someone's throat.
 

Moonbeam

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All sorts of places. But we can start with the Ten Commandments.
I want to ask you how we could start there. What if a person says to themselves, "Commandments from God are nonsense and don't apply to me." Wouldn't we have to start somewhere else first to insure that a person is open to the very concept of morality? And if we do start there in what order should we apply them. Suppose my Mother kills my Father to collect his insurance policy, should I honor her then or say honor her above do not kill and shoot the sheriff as he tries to arrest her? Don't we have to start at least somewhere with the capacity a person must have to reason there is some sort of the comprehension of the spirit behind rules that was what caused them to be created in the first place, some undamaged inner sense of what is right and wrong. Wouldn't moral concepts and precepts come into existence only because people are basically born good and that no matter the religion or the race people are inwardly all the same, born to be truth seekers, desirous of manifesting the good. I think you have to start with the notion that every child born has an instinct to love life and being and that real moral intention should be to see to it that instinct isn't buried by pain and suffering and self accusatory guilt. Everything after that will be OK I think.
 

Paratus

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All sorts of places. But we can start with the Ten Commandments.
I can’t wait until the wall between church and state is fully broken down and we can begin using government law enforcement to force “Christian’s” to live by their religion.

Because boy are you going to be spending some time in trouble for that whole “don’t bear false witness” thing. Oh and while we’re at it we’ll let your minister/preacher/priest access your income and investments via the IRS so he can take the appropriate tithe. Gods word shouldn’t fly coach.

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