WTF!!!!!! - Virginia Tech

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

I think the guy was injured, as I believe they would leave the dead there for investigation.

And, you do not know when that was taken and where, and exactly where all the shootings took place. Maybe the guy was still going around shooting people and they got him out in haste.

You missed my point. It should have only taken one person to carry out the injured. One person could do it faster then four, plus it would free up the other three officers to either go in for more injuries or find the bad guy.

Pick him up, toss him over your shoulders and move out.

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: ScottFern
So from my understanding this guy was mad at his gf or ex-gf and took it out on 21 other people?

Wow this shooter is sick in the head. There is absolutely no reason what so ever to go on a rampage like this.

 

[toekramp]

Originally posted by: ScottFern
So from my understanding this guy was mad at his gf or ex-gf and took it out on 21 other people?

try 50 plus the families

 

[MoobyTheGoldenCalf]

Originally posted by: ScottFern
So from my understanding this guy was mad at his gf or ex-gf and took it out on 21 other people?

No, at least 32 other people now.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: ScottFern
So from my understanding this guy was mad at his gf or ex-gf and took it out on 21 other people?

Unconfirmed rumor at this point (the ex-gf part).

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: ScottFern
So from my understanding this guy was mad at his gf or ex-gf and took it out on 21 other people?

he was looking for her? details aren't set in stone yet.

and they are saying 32 people dead the last time i checked.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: vtohthree

Originally posted by: Mellman

Originally posted by: TallBill
Sounds like OP was being sarcastic. To bad you cant conceal carry at school. Easy targets for a psycho.

Armed society is a polite society...this idiot would be dropped in 2 seconds had people been allowed to carry...that - or he would not have done it in the first place because he would know he'd get himself killed first.

You have a point there, QFsomeT. This guy thinks outside the box, as most would argue along the lines of, "if no one was allowed to buy guns this wouldn't have happened." Though not saying I'm for an armed society, way too many factors.

youre insane if you think honestly that guns wouldnt be around if the general public wasnt "allowed" to buy them. "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". this is a problem in any major city that has strict gun laws keeping regular citizens from carrying one. in az you can carry one unconcealed pretty much anywhere, and even more places with a CCW permit. if there was no restriction at that school, it wouldnt mean that EVERY student would have been carrying one, but the ones that decided to carry may have been in a place to stop some of this from going on for so long. there have been stories here of citizens helping out in police shoot outs by providing a bit of crossfire the original suspects didnt count on, making them give up and surrender. keeping people that take the responsibility of learning how to use and carry a firearm from doing so isnt really the right answer, just like a fully armed society isnt.

btw, i carry a sidearm pretty much everywhere i go, along with a switchblade in case i need to cut something. ive never been mugged, shot or had my car jacked.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

I think the guy was injured, as I believe they would leave the dead there for investigation.

And, you do not know when that was taken and where, and exactly where all the shootings took place. Maybe the guy was still going around shooting people and they got him out in haste.

You missed my point. It should have only taken one person to carry out the injured. One person could do it faster then four, plus it would free up the other three officers to either go in for more injuries or find the bad guy.

Pick him up, toss him over your shoulders and move out.

Well, looking at these pictures, these guys don't look like they are near in the same kind of shape as a soldier.

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: NakaNaka
I'm really curious to hear the stories of the kids who were in Norris hall, specifically how he got so many rounds off w. out anyone going after him. Also, how did he shoot up a dorm, not get stopped, allowed to roam freely on campus and then kill so many at Norris 2+ hours later. Shouldn't the cops have locked down campus after the first shooting?

Guys, not everyone is a battle-hardened badass. The general reaction when hearing a gun shot is to duck and run. Now imagine someone emptying clips outside in a hallway in the building you're in. Most people are not going to try to bumrush someone in that situation. Not only that, but it would take quite a bit of people to bring him down and so anyone who would be willing to try to take down the shooter would likely realize that they'll just be adding to the body count. There is no shame in staying put when you're relatively safe, especially if by rushing the shooter you might leave others vulnerable (by unblocking and opening the door).

Probably very few that are "battle-hardened badasses".. People talk a tough game, but when it comes down to it.. they would be just as cowardly if a situation such as this came about.

People talk tough all the time.. hell I do it..
but damn.. I wouldn't have no shame in ducking my ass down if I was in a situation such as this

 

[gerwen]

Originally posted by: NakaNaka
I'm really curious to hear the stories of the kids who were in Norris hall, specifically how he got so many rounds off w. out anyone going after him. Also, how did he shoot up a dorm, not get stopped, allowed to roam freely on campus and then kill so many at Norris 2+ hours later. Shouldn't the cops have locked down campus after the first shooting?

If the guy was smart, he would be pretty much unstoppable until he met armed resistance. It's not like anyone knew what was going on to be able to mount a bum rush on the guy. He walks into your class, shoots up the place and walks back out. Likely if you're not too afraid, you're too stunned (or smart) to chase.

If anyone did think to try the rush, if he kept his distance, and a loaded pistol at all times, you would never see an opportunity that wasn't suicide.

It's really not hard to imagine him easily killing as many as he did without someone stopping him. First the police had to find him, and if he was moving, that would be difficult.

Nothing the students or faculty could have done. Helpless victims. It's almost a shame if the gunman's dead, he doesn't deserve an easy death.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

I think the guy was injured, as I believe they would leave the dead there for investigation.

And, you do not know when that was taken and where, and exactly where all the shootings took place. Maybe the guy was still going around shooting people and they got him out in haste.

You missed my point. It should have only taken one person to carry out the injured. One person could do it faster then four, plus it would free up the other three officers to either go in for more injuries or find the bad guy.

Pick him up, toss him over your shoulders and move out.

I somewhat agree, however remember these are not trained and conditioned soldiers but police. They probably just figured that it would be much quicker with four people. Two probably would've been enough, but again, this is a heat of the moment thing and I doubt the officers had much experience in this type of situation so cut them some slack.

 

[Slaimus]

Originally posted by: ScottFern
So from my understanding this guy was mad at his gf or ex-gf and took it out on 21 other people?

There are conflicting reports: some say GF, some say prof. We will just have to wait until they get everyone's story.

 

[Mill]

****** sick. This is horrible.

Please, folks, let's not make this a thread about gun control or the Second amendment. The blame game can be played later

 

[KeithTalent]

I do not know anything about guns, nor do I have any desire to.

All I know is this is f'ing insane!

Condolences to all!

KT

 

[Queasy]

Video From LiveLeak

Cell Phone Footage from this morning

Victim describes Shooter

 

[jpeyton]

This guy must have been a trained shooter; it sounds like the number of rounds he fired was equal to the number of people he killed and injured.

I'm terrified to learn what he was up to in the classrooms. To kill that efficiently with a 9mm, his shots had to have been spot on.

 

[Nocturnal]

Does anyone know if there was more than one shooter? On another forum this kid who attends VATech is claiming a) there was a bomb found in Burrus Hall and that there were four shooters, two dead, one caught and one on the loose. Any truth to this?
[reply]

 

[davestar]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: NakaNaka
I'm really curious to hear the stories of the kids who were in Norris hall, specifically how he got so many rounds off w. out anyone going after him. Also, how did he shoot up a dorm, not get stopped, allowed to roam freely on campus and then kill so many at Norris 2+ hours later. Shouldn't the cops have locked down campus after the first shooting?

Guys, not everyone is a battle-hardened badass. The general reaction when hearing a gun shot is to duck and run. Now imagine someone emptying clips outside in a hallway in the building you're in. Most people are not going to try to bumrush someone in that situation. Not only that, but it would take quite a bit of people to bring him down and so anyone who would be willing to try to take down the shooter would likely realize that they'll just be adding to the body count. There is no shame in staying put when you're relatively safe, especially if by rushing the shooter you might leave others vulnerable (by unblocking and opening the door).

i don't think he was complaining about the lack of battle-hardened baddasses. the question is why was VTech's police/security response so slow/sh!tty as to allow one guy commit these two shootings with a two hour break. my friend at VTech said there weren't even police stationed around campus after the first shooting.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This guy must have been a trained shooter; it sounds like the number of rounds he fired was equal to the number of people he killed and injured.

I'm terrified to learn what he was up to in the classrooms. To kill that efficiently with a 9mm, his shots had to have been spot on.

*sigh*

 

[orion23]

Crazy americans and their shootings...

Why can't these losers comit suicide and go quietly?

Or there should be a program for Legal Euthanasia so that these retards don't go hurting others....

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

I think the guy was injured, as I believe they would leave the dead there for investigation.

And, you do not know when that was taken and where, and exactly where all the shootings took place. Maybe the guy was still going around shooting people and they got him out in haste.

You missed my point. It should have only taken one person to carry out the injured. One person could do it faster then four, plus it would free up the other three officers to either go in for more injuries or find the bad guy.

Pick him up, toss him over your shoulders and move out.

I somewhat agree, however remember these are not trained and conditioned soldiers but police. They probably just figured that it would be much quicker with four people. Two probably would've been enough, but again, this is a heat of the moment thing and I doubt the officers had much experience in this type of situation so cut them some slack.

yeah, these guys have done the best they can. you dont get a horror story like this everyday. i dont think it would matter how much training you've had or how long you have been on the force....something like this will put the willies up you for sure.

i know for certain i would not want to be heading in the direction from which people are running for their lives. the fact that these men and women are doing so demands complete respect even if they make the wrong calls

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: orion23
Crazy americans and their shootings...

Why can't these losers comit suicide and go quietly?

Or there should be a program for Legal Euthanasia so that these retards don't go hurting others....

i don't see this as just a "crazy americans" issue.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: gerwen

Originally posted by: jman19

See my response to waggy.

Originally posted by: jman19
I am arguing with his statement about what "more" and "just as" mean, and not about guns in particular. Did the capitalized text not clue you in to that?

So not arguing what he said, just how he said it? Nitpicking then?

I'm just saying his ability to form a logical argument is lousy. Sorry you have such a problem with that

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This guy must have been a trained shooter; it sounds like the number of rounds he fired was equal to the number of people he killed and injured.

I'm terrified to learn what he was up to in the classrooms. To kill that efficiently with a 9mm, his shots had to have been spot on.

*sigh*

*sigh* Is right. The descriptions so far have been of the shooter blindly unloading into barricaded doors. In the video links I posted above, the victim describes the shooting into the door hitting 15 people in the classroom.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: sygyzy
Let me make sure I understand this. Pro gun people are saying this is a case for CCW?

I despise guns and yes, this is a perfectly logical argument for CCW.

I know this is going to sound like a very roundabout argument but I think this speaks AGAINST CCW. Proponents of guns are always saying that CCW people are safer, more trained, etc.

Let's put aside the very sad nature of events, which we all agree on. This is a case of a highly effective gunman. The most effective in US history (as far as school shootings go). I have to assume this is the very type of trained individual epitomizes the CCW model. If he was just some wack job without proper training, like in 90% of other "mass" shooting cases, he would have killed a lot less people.

Assuming the US will never grant every individual CCW (meaning little chance of citizen intervention), and guns are in the hands of the same people that they are now (mix of legal, illegal, ccw, and non-ccw), which would you rather have, in a pure numbers standpoint?

32 dead (and possibly rising) -or- 5, 1, 2?

WTF are you getting at??? Your argument has no basis or correlation to this event, nor to my posts, at least that I can find.

A persons training doesn't equate to their CCW/CPL status or vice versa. School shooters don't obtain CPL's (in any case that I'm aware of). This whacko may have had training (or maybe not, it's not rocket science). Regardless, no laws can or would have prevented what he did. What my post was arguing for was removing the school prohibitions preventing me from carrying on campus to defend against these whacks. If I'm gonna go nuts and kill people it'll happen rather I have a CCW or not, and rather it's legal or not. But as a law-abiding citizen I won't carry where it's illegal (like schools) so I'm prevented from defending myself and/or others there because of a law that ONLY applies to the people not causing the problem in the first place.