WTF!!!!!! - Virginia Tech

[gerwen]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This guy must have been a trained shooter; it sounds like the number of rounds he fired was equal to the number of people he killed and injured.

I'm terrified to learn what he was up to in the classrooms. To kill that efficiently with a 9mm, his shots had to have been spot on.

I disagree. All it would take is a basic familiarity with firearms, a little practice shooting, and reloading, and most importantly, a cool head.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Mill
****** sick. This is horrible.

Please, folks, let's not make this a thread about gun control or the Second amendment. The blame game can be played later

I agree 100% but I think it's a little late. Hopefully the gun debaters can find the other thread in P&N.

 

[Phokus]

Is it finals week at VT? Wonder if high stress contributed to this tragedy.

 

[Queasy]

Oh Snap

?Communication from college? I checked my e-mail about 8:30?I went to my class as I usually would. By 8:30 no one was notified that something had happened at 7. We went onto a dangerous campus not knowing??

 

[Gamingphreek]

Hey guys, just popping in to let you guys know I am ok. It was very scary here on campus for a while- especially since I live on first floor.

To put things in perspective, I am in Pritchard East. Ambler Johnston is the next dorm over from us. After that we heard about the rampage at Norris Hall which is across campus from the residence halls. From then on we had various reports. At one point police stormed the tennis courts across the road from us and we had to tape our blinds shut, and get out of our rooms into the halls.

It is sad that VT will now have the distinguished honor of the worst schools shooting in history. Keep us in your prayers everyone.

-Kevin

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: gerwen

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This guy must have been a trained shooter; it sounds like the number of rounds he fired was equal to the number of people he killed and injured.

I'm terrified to learn what he was up to in the classrooms. To kill that efficiently with a 9mm, his shots had to have been spot on.

I disagree. All it would take is a basic familiarity with firearms, a little practice shooting, and reloading, and most importantly, a cool head.

From what I know about the stopping power of a 9mm, if the guy fired roughly 50 rounds and killed/injured roughly 50 people in a 3:2 ratio, he would need to be more than just familiar with shooting. Previous shooting incidences have seen more rounds fired and less killed/injured.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Hey guys, just popping in to let you guys know I am ok. It was very scary here on campus for a while- especially since I live on first floor.

To put things in perspective, I am in Pritchard East. Ambler Johnston is the next dorm over from us. After that we heard about the rampage at Norris Hall which is across campus from the residence halls. From then on we had various reports. At one point police stormed the tennis courts across the road from us and we had to tape our blinds shut, and get out of our rooms into the halls.

It is sad that VT will now have the distinguished honor of the worst schools shooting in history. Keep us in your prayers everyone.

-Kevin

Glad to hear that you're okay.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

yeah, these guys have done the best they can. you dont get a horror story like this everyday. i dont think it would matter how much training you've had or how long you have been on the force....something like this will put the willies up you for sure.

i know for certain i would not want to be heading in the direction from which people are running for their lives. the fact that these men and women are doing so demands complete respect even if they make the wrong calls

I agree, I guess I just view things differently from my training and experience.

 

[Linux23]

This is bananas. I can't imagine being in that situation and not totally losing it.

R.I.P. for those who tried to genuinely get a good education but had to die for it.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Oh Snap

?Communication from college? I checked my e-mail about 8:30?I went to my class as I usually would. By 8:30 no one was notified that something had happened at 7. We went onto a dangerous campus not knowing??

Yeah, the email about the first shooting was sent at 9:26. I hadn't seen that email and went to catch the bus at 9:45 to get to my 10:10 class... that bus was stopped before it got to campus.

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Hey guys, just popping in to let you guys know I am ok. It was very scary here on campus for a while- especially since I live on first floor.

To put things in perspective, I am in Pritchard East. Ambler Johnston is the next dorm over from us. After that we heard about the rampage at Norris Hall which is across campus from the residence halls. From then on we had various reports. At one point police stormed the tennis courts across the road from us and we had to tape our blinds shut, and get out of our rooms into the halls.

It is sad that VT will now have the distinguished honor of the worst schools shooting in history. Keep us in your prayers everyone.

-Kevin

Glad you're okay.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: davestar

i don't think he was complaining about the lack of battle-hardened baddasses. the question is why was VTech's police/security response so slow/sh!tty as to allow one guy commit these two shootings with a two hour break. my friend at VTech said there weren't even police stationed around campus after the first shooting.

That makes sense, but my reply was more in response to several posts, I just quoted his for some reason.

However, we don't know for sure what actually all happened. They might have thought they had the guy in custody after the original shooting. Have they even confirmed it was the same guy at both shootings yet? I'm not saying we shouldn't ask why, I'm just saying its a little early to try to figure out if there was a lack of response from the police and/or the university. Hindsight is 20/20, so let's wait until we get that before we point blame (not saying either of you are blaming anyone).

 

[Steve]

Wow, I had no idea you were at VA Tech, Kevin.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Hey guys, just popping in to let you guys know I am ok. It was very scary here on campus for a while- especially since I live on first floor.

To put things in perspective, I am in Pritchard East. Ambler Johnston is the next dorm over from us. After that we heard about the rampage at Norris Hall which is across campus from the residence halls. From then on we had various reports. At one point police stormed the tennis courts across the road from us and we had to tape our blinds shut, and get out of our rooms into the halls.

It is sad that VT will now have the distinguished honor of the worst schools shooting in history. Keep us in your prayers everyone.

-Kevin

Thanks for checking in! How scary and sad the whole thing is.

 

[DigitalCancer]

Yea, i'd like to hear the story as to WHY he done this. Confirmed there was only 1 shooter? Also is he dead??

 

[mooglekit]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
Let me make sure I understand this. Pro gun people are saying this is a case for CCW?

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
I despise guns and yes, this is a perfectly logical argument for CCW.

Originally posted by: sygyzy
I know this is going to sound like a very roundabout argument but I think this speaks AGAINST CCW. Proponents of guns are always saying that CCW people are safer, more trained, etc.
Let's put aside the very sad nature of events, which we all agree on. This is a case of a highly effective gunman. The most effective in US history (as far as school shootings go). I have to assume this is the very type of trained individual epitomizes the CCW model. If he was just some wack job without proper training, like in 90% of other "mass" shooting cases, he would have killed a lot less people.
Assuming the US will never grant every individual CCW (meaning little chance of citizen intervention), and guns are in the hands of the same people that they are now (mix of legal, illegal, ccw, and non-ccw), which would you rather have, in a pure numbers standpoint?
32 dead (and possibly rising) -or- 5, 1, 2?

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
WTF are you getting at??? Your argument has no basis or correlation to this event, nor to my posts, at least that I can find.
A persons training doesn't equate to their CCW/CPL status or vice versa. School shooters don't obtain CPL's (in any case that I'm aware of). This whacko may have had training (or maybe not, it's not rocket science). Regardless, no laws can or would have prevented what he did. What my post was arguing for was removing the school prohibitions preventing me from carrying on campus to defend against these whacks. If I'm gonna go nuts and kill people it'll happen rather I have a CCW or not, and rather it's legal or not. But as a law-abiding citizen I won't carry where it's illegal (like schools) so I'm prevented from defending myself and/or others there because of a law that ONLY applies to the people not causing the problem in the first place.

Take it somewhere else guys.


This is terrible... :disgust:

RIP

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: DigitalCancer
Yea, i'd like to hear the story as to WHY he done this. Confirmed there was only 1 shooter? Also is he dead??

Only rumors as to why.

Only 1 shooter.

Shooter is dead.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: gerwen

Originally posted by: jman19

See my response to waggy.

Originally posted by: jman19
I am arguing with his statement about what "more" and "just as" mean, and not about guns in particular. Did the capitalized text not clue you in to that?

So not arguing what he said, just how he said it? Nitpicking then?

I'm just saying his ability to form a logical argument is lousy. Sorry you have such a problem with that

my ability to form a logical argument is just fine. in my haste to type my thoughts, it didn't come out right.

you sitting here nitpicking over my grammar or choice of words, when you know full well what i was getting at is very disgusting.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Oh Snap

?Communication from college? I checked my e-mail about 8:30?I went to my class as I usually would. By 8:30 no one was notified that something had happened at 7. We went onto a dangerous campus not knowing??

You don't shut down a 20,000 (just a guess) student university because one student got shot in the morning.

 

[VTHodge]

Originally posted by: DigitalCancer
Yea, i'd like to hear the story as to WHY he done this. Confirmed there was only 1 shooter? Also is he dead??

In the press conference, the police chief confirmed one shooter, who is dead.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Queasy
Oh Snap

?Communication from college? I checked my e-mail about 8:30?I went to my class as I usually would. By 8:30 no one was notified that something had happened at 7. We went onto a dangerous campus not knowing??

Yeah, the email about the first shooting was sent at 9:26. I hadn't seen that email and went to catch the bus at 9:45 to get to my 10:10 class... that bus was stopped before it got to campus.

Colleges are notorious for not making any official statements until they have had time to figure things out (a lot of criticism gets thrown if there is any quick action on anything). Not only that but oftentimes official statements have to go through a chain of command before they can be sent out and so for all we know the higher ups might have not been immediately reachable (and they would have to be debriefed of what happened so as to be rational). Yes its clunky and beauracratic, but its the way things are.

If they had been wrong and spread irrational fear throughout the student body it could have created even more chaos (imagine a typical college thoroughfare filled with hundreds to thousands of students rushing to get home. It would've been like fish in a barrel, even moreso than it already was.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: orion23
Crazy americans and their shootings...

Why can't these losers comit suicide and go quietly?

Or there should be a program for Legal Euthanasia so that these retards don't go hurting others....

i don't see this as just a "crazy americans" issue.

Yup it appears it's only Americans.

:roll: @ orion23

 

[gerwen]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: gerwen

I disagree. All it would take is a basic familiarity with firearms, a little practice shooting, and reloading, and most importantly, a cool head.

From what I know about the stopping power of a 9mm, if the guy fired roughly 50 rounds and killed/injured roughly 50 people in a 3:2 ratio, he would need to be more than just familiar with shooting. Previous shooting incidences have seen more rounds fired and less killed/injured.

I agree, if he only fired around 50 rounds, and injured 50 people, that would likely mean he's trained. However, the only report i've seen of number of rounds fired is from a student down the hall saying she heard about 50 shots, and that was only at one location.

Chances are he fired more than 50-60 times, but the truth is, we just don't know.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Queasy
Oh Snap

?Communication from college? I checked my e-mail about 8:30?I went to my class as I usually would. By 8:30 no one was notified that something had happened at 7. We went onto a dangerous campus not knowing??

You don't shut down a 20,000 (just a guess) student university because one student got shot in the morning.

If it was on campus and they haven't caught the offender yet, they should.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Condolences and best wishes to anyone affected. Good to hear from the AT'ers in the area :beer:

 

[flashbacck]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: UCDAggies

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: UCDAggies
More evidence of gun motivating crime. It is long overdue that we repeal the 2nd amendment. another tragedy that could have been prevented if we didn't have the 2nd Amendment.

Dude. Go away. Now.

What is your problem. That is a tragedy. over 30 dead, because of guns.

no 30 dead because of a person. was the gun walking around the campus by itself? move to canada...

fyi, guns aren't banned in Canada. :roll: