WTF!!!!!! - Virginia Tech

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I hope this nutcase wasn't a CS or online game player, they are going to blame this on gaming

What the guy was is what he was. The blame game will be played later. Right now I cannot understand how so many people are saying "I hope he wasn't X or did X" because they are afraid if the shooter did it will somehow mess with their lives. Over 32 people are dead. I don't really think anyone gives a fvck if you can play your online games or not right now.

Some people tend to immediately think of the long-term consequences immediately. Don't accuse others because you are short sighted.

I'm not shortsighted you dillweed. I'm more interested in what MATTERS, and that isn't video games. It is lives.

Lives certainly matter, but you should not be just thinking of the moment. Are your future liberties not important?

My ability to play a video game on 04/16/2007 is not as important as this overall situation, no. Don't confuse your selfishness with being forward-thinking.

I understand your point, but the video game angle is one of the things that came to my mind as well. Perhaps the people mentioning that feel like saying "omg how tragic" or "guns should be allowed" would merely add to dozens of other posts with the same subject matter, and decided to post about a different effect this could have? You kind of started the attack here by acting all high and mighty. No doubt the lives matter more... do you think we need you to tell us that?

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Mill
I wonder if Colleges will start having those rapid notification systems? They have them at the High Schools here so they can notify parents of closures, accidents, bad weather, or emgergencies. Some of the districts here have 20K+ students, so I can imagine that's a lot of people to contact. They claim these systems can send over 20k text messages and make 20k phone calls in like 5 minutes

That would have saved a lot of lives.

Here a lot of profs require students to have phones off during class.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: Eli
Whoa, what is going on?! :Q

Horrible things.

Damn...

:shocked:

 

[AgentJean]

Originally posted by: Mill
I wonder if Colleges will start having those rapid notification systems? They have them at the High Schools here so they can notify parents of closures, accidents, bad weather, or emgergencies. Some of the districts here have 20K+ students, so I can imagine that's a lot of people to contact. They claim these systems can send over 20k text messages and make 20k phone calls in like 5 minutes

That would have saved a lot of lives.

One trained citizen with a CCW/CHP would have saved many more lives then your lame alert systems.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Yeah more and more students are coming out and saying they were not informed.

Also guys remember not all those wounded were shot, some jumped out of windows.

If he did do it over his gf, he is one sick fvkc and I wish he did not kill himself.

 

[Scarpozzi]

My wife's cousin goes there. Do they have a list of the victims or what? I'm really worried about her.

-Scar

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: Mill
I wonder if Colleges will start having those rapid notification systems? They have them at the High Schools here so they can notify parents of closures, accidents, bad weather, or emgergencies. Some of the districts here have 20K+ students, so I can imagine that's a lot of people to contact. They claim these systems can send over 20k text messages and make 20k phone calls in like 5 minutes

That would have saved a lot of lives.

One trained citizen with a CCW/CHP would have saved many more lives then your lame alert systems.

Do you not understand? Take it elsewhere.

 

[AgentJean]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

If he did do it over his gf, he is one sick fvkc and I wish he did not kill himself.

You don't line people up execution style over a girl.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Mill
I wonder if Colleges will start having those rapid notification systems? They have them at the High Schools here so they can notify parents of closures, accidents, bad weather, or emgergencies. Some of the districts here have 20K+ students, so I can imagine that's a lot of people to contact. They claim these systems can send over 20k text messages and make 20k phone calls in like 5 minutes

That would have saved a lot of lives.

Here a lot of profs require students to have phones off during class.

Its still too early to tell what exactly happened so I don't know that it would have save anyone in this situation. Also, they would not have been able to tell them anything more than that there had been a shooting earlier that morning in the dorms. By the time the guy had gone into the one building it would have been too late to warn anybody (meaning that by the time they knew about and could send out an alert for the second shooting it was probably almost over).

Don't get me wrong, it would be good, I just don't know that it would have made any difference in this case.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I hope this nutcase wasn't a CS or online game player, they are going to blame this on gaming

What the guy was is what he was. The blame game will be played later. Right now I cannot understand how so many people are saying "I hope he wasn't X or did X" because they are afraid if the shooter did it will somehow mess with their lives. Over 32 people are dead. I don't really think anyone gives a fvck if you can play your online games or not right now.

Some people tend to immediately think of the long-term consequences immediately. Don't accuse others because you are short sighted.

I'm not shortsighted you dillweed. I'm more interested in what MATTERS, and that isn't video games. It is lives.

Lives certainly matter, but you should not be just thinking of the moment. Are your future liberties not important?

My ability to play a video game on 04/16/2007 is not as important as this overall situation, no. Don't confuse your selfishness with being forward-thinking.

I understand your point, but the video game angle is one of the things that came to my mind as well. Perhaps the people mentioning that feel like saying "omg how tragic" or "guns should be allowed" would merely add to dozens of other posts with the same subject matter, and decided to post about a different effect this could have? You kind of started the attack here by acting all high and mighty. No doubt the lives matter more... do you think we need you to tell us that?

The first post I made in this thread was a post asking the gun folks (on both sides) to zip it. I'm not acting high and mighty. I'm not getting focused on silly side matters and then ignoring the catalyst for why this thread exists. People always want to try to make a political point immediately after a tragedy.

Whether it is Jack Thompson, Fred Phelps, Pro-Gun people, Anti-Gun people, etc. It is sickening and an absolutely stupid level of discourse that we do not need.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Mill
I wonder if Colleges will start having those rapid notification systems? They have them at the High Schools here so they can notify parents of closures, accidents, bad weather, or emgergencies. Some of the districts here have 20K+ students, so I can imagine that's a lot of people to contact. They claim these systems can send over 20k text messages and make 20k phone calls in like 5 minutes

That would have saved a lot of lives.

I'm still confused at why one person getting killed in the morning should lead to closing down a school? WTF? Somone got shot in my dorms at school. It didn't affect the running of the school at all. Obviously once the mass shootings started, that was a big deal, but one murder in the morning isn't.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Mill
I wonder if Colleges will start having those rapid notification systems? They have them at the High Schools here so they can notify parents of closures, accidents, bad weather, or emgergencies. Some of the districts here have 20K+ students, so I can imagine that's a lot of people to contact. They claim these systems can send over 20k text messages and make 20k phone calls in like 5 minutes

That would have saved a lot of lives.

Here a lot of profs require students to have phones off during class.

Of course they do the same at my University. However, there's always a handfull of people that acidentally or purposely leave their phones on. Most of the time of vibrate. However, I'd bet there are enough people in the hallways, in classrooms (with their phones on), and people walking around campus to where the word would spread a lot quicker than by e-mail.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Mill
I wonder if Colleges will start having those rapid notification systems? They have them at the High Schools here so they can notify parents of closures, accidents, bad weather, or emgergencies. Some of the districts here have 20K+ students, so I can imagine that's a lot of people to contact. They claim these systems can send over 20k text messages and make 20k phone calls in like 5 minutes

That would have saved a lot of lives.

I'm still confused at why one person getting killed in the morning should lead to closing down a school? WTF? Somone got shot in my dorms at school. It didn't affect the running of the school at all. Obviously once the mass shootings started, that was a big deal, but one murder in the morning isn't.

so you wouldn't mind walking around campus with a murderer on the loose?

 

[Gamingphreek]

This is everything I know guys:

I live on first floor of Pritchard Hall. We are right next to West Ambler Johnston. My friend ran into my room and woke me up and things began unfolding from there. One of my friends had to run across campus from McBryde (Close to Norris).

From that point everyone in my dorm was up and kind of shocked when we heard that one was dead. At that time we heard about the shooting at Norris. From that point reports were flying in about multiple shooters, multiple targets etc...

At one point we had a report from my Hall Director that there was a shooting outside the dorm across the street. We had to lock all the windows, shut the blinds and we were advised to lock our doors and get in the hall. In an all guys dorm, even all of us guys were kind of worried at that point.

We were ordered by police to stay in the dorm, but naturally you get some morons who decide to you walk outside anyways. We saw a guy walk out from another dorm and 2 police officers came out of no where. One pointed an assault rifle at him and the other just ran up and tackled him. After a few minutes they let him go back into the dorm.

Finally things began to narrow down and we heard the death toll begin to rise. People began to settle down and start mourning, calling loved ones, telling people we were ok. If you haven't heard it, try and find the report from one of the guys who was shot- it is so horrific what these students had to endure.

What we know about the killer is that he is Asian, and had a black leather jacket with clips attached throughout it. We heard that there was an altercation in AJ between a guy and his girlfriend. An RA (Residential Advisor) appeared to help break it up- the guy shot both of them. After that we aren't sure what has happened.

Everyone wants their school to be remembered in someway. No one ever wanted to have to be remembered in this way. My thoughts and prayers go out to my fellow schoolmates and their families. RIP to those who have passed away.

-Kevin

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
My wife's cousin goes there. Do they have a list of the victims or what? I'm really worried about her.

-Scar

I doubt they will release the victim's names for awhile to be sure kin are notified.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Mill
I wonder if Colleges will start having those rapid notification systems? They have them at the High Schools here so they can notify parents of closures, accidents, bad weather, or emgergencies. Some of the districts here have 20K+ students, so I can imagine that's a lot of people to contact. They claim these systems can send over 20k text messages and make 20k phone calls in like 5 minutes

That would have saved a lot of lives.

I'm still confused at why one person getting killed in the morning should lead to closing down a school? WTF? Somone got shot in my dorms at school. It didn't affect the running of the school at all. Obviously once the mass shootings started, that was a big deal, but one murder in the morning isn't.

I think some people are assuming that they did not have anyone in custody for the first shooting (and so should be treating it as an armed person on the loose). I don't know if they've said if they had or not. They might have gotten eyewitness reports saying the person who did the original shooting left in a vehicle (and as such they'd think he was fleeing from the school).

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Mill
I wonder if Colleges will start having those rapid notification systems? They have them at the High Schools here so they can notify parents of closures, accidents, bad weather, or emgergencies. Some of the districts here have 20K+ students, so I can imagine that's a lot of people to contact. They claim these systems can send over 20k text messages and make 20k phone calls in like 5 minutes

That would have saved a lot of lives.

Here a lot of profs require students to have phones off during class.

Its still too early to tell what exactly happened so I don't know that it would have save anyone in this situation. Also, they would not have been able to tell them anything more than that there had been a shooting earlier that morning in the dorms. By the time the guy had gone into the one building it would have been too late to warn anybody (meaning that by the time they knew about and could send out an alert for the second shooting it was probably almost over).

Don't get me wrong, it would be good, I just don't know that it would have made any difference in this case.

One of the biggest problems that happens in disasters and mass tragedies is lack of communication (9/11, Sago Coal Mine, Columbine, etc). Just getting an honest word and status of a situation to people can do a tremendous amount to prevent more injuries and deaths. Almost every tragedy of this scale has mass panic due to a complete unawareness of the situation.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Mill

The first post I made in this thread was a post asking the gun folks (on both sides) to zip it. I'm not acting high and mighty. I'm not getting focused on silly side matters and then ignoring the catalyst for why this thread exists. People always want to try to make a political point immediately after a tragedy.

Whether it is Jack Thompson, Fred Phelps, Pro-Gun people, Anti-Gun people, etc. It is sickening and an absolutely stupid level of discourse that we do not need.

Actually, I was the first person to mention concealed carry in this thread and wasn't trying to push any political agenda. I was just stating a fact that it is a shame that concealed carry isn't allowed at universities. It definitely could have saved some lives today.

 

[randumb]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Mill
I wonder if Colleges will start having those rapid notification systems? They have them at the High Schools here so they can notify parents of closures, accidents, bad weather, or emgergencies. Some of the districts here have 20K+ students, so I can imagine that's a lot of people to contact. They claim these systems can send over 20k text messages and make 20k phone calls in like 5 minutes

That would have saved a lot of lives.

I'm still confused at why one person getting killed in the morning should lead to closing down a school? WTF? Somone got shot in my dorms at school. It didn't affect the running of the school at all. Obviously once the mass shootings started, that was a big deal, but one murder in the morning isn't.

The gunman shot and injured other people in the morning in addition to the one killed. I think shooting more than one person is reason enough to shut down the school.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: Mill
I wonder if Colleges will start having those rapid notification systems? They have them at the High Schools here so they can notify parents of closures, accidents, bad weather, or emgergencies. Some of the districts here have 20K+ students, so I can imagine that's a lot of people to contact. They claim these systems can send over 20k text messages and make 20k phone calls in like 5 minutes

That would have saved a lot of lives.

One trained citizen with a CCW/CHP would have saved many more lives then your lame alert systems.

I built part of a rapid notification system for a company that provides this service in the southern United States. Generally they're not meant for beat-the-clock emergency notification, but that's certainly something to look into as a spinoff of the current system.

 

[KoolDrew]

Wow, I'm shocked. I wonder if the OP is okay? Has he posted recently?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Mill
I wonder if Colleges will start having those rapid notification systems? They have them at the High Schools here so they can notify parents of closures, accidents, bad weather, or emgergencies. Some of the districts here have 20K+ students, so I can imagine that's a lot of people to contact. They claim these systems can send over 20k text messages and make 20k phone calls in like 5 minutes

That would have saved a lot of lives.

I'm still confused at why one person getting killed in the morning should lead to closing down a school? WTF? Somone got shot in my dorms at school. It didn't affect the running of the school at all. Obviously once the mass shootings started, that was a big deal, but one murder in the morning isn't.

Not all of us just got back from Iraq, dude. Think about it. That being said, I never said the school should be shut down. Just a warning to students and faculty so they can take precautions and know what they face. Even a simple "gunman killed someone and is on the loose" type of message might have gone a long way.

 

[TraumaRN]

That cell phone video had 27 shots fired in about 30 seconds of filming...jesus...

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I hope this nutcase wasn't a CS or online game player, they are going to blame this on gaming

What the guy was is what he was. The blame game will be played later. Right now I cannot understand how so many people are saying "I hope he wasn't X or did X" because they are afraid if the shooter did it will somehow mess with their lives. Over 32 people are dead. I don't really think anyone gives a fvck if you can play your online games or not right now.

Some people tend to immediately think of the long-term consequences immediately. Don't accuse others because you are short sighted.

I'm not shortsighted you dillweed. I'm more interested in what MATTERS, and that isn't video games. It is lives.

Lives certainly matter, but you should not be just thinking of the moment. Are your future liberties not important?

My ability to play a video game on 04/16/2007 is not as important as this overall situation, no. Don't confuse your selfishness with being forward-thinking.

I understand your point, but the video game angle is one of the things that came to my mind as well. Perhaps the people mentioning that feel like saying "omg how tragic" or "guns should be allowed" would merely add to dozens of other posts with the same subject matter, and decided to post about a different effect this could have? You kind of started the attack here by acting all high and mighty. No doubt the lives matter more... do you think we need you to tell us that?

Fox News already was commenting on College students playing video games and the link between shootings and violence and video games and all that garbage. This is what they do... Just wait until they find out he listens to this band, or smoked cigarettes, or believed in evolution, or whatever they want to spin it for. No personal responsibility, it is always something else.

With that being said. I can not comprehend letting someone point a gun at a room full of people and tell them to get against a wall and then letting the person execute them all one at a time. I am sorry, but a couple of chairs and a few swings and none of this would of happened. If I was going to die, I was going doing swinging. Of course, I can say a lot sitting here on my couch, but that is just what I would assume I would do. And sorry, One student with a concealed weapon would have ended this pretty quickly.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: pontifex

so you wouldn't mind walking around campus with a murderer on the loose?

No. Why would I?