WTF!!!!!! - Virginia Tech

[Steve]

For anyone missing the point (e.g. TallBill, darkswordsman17), ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS (e.g. not a city), when Step 1 is that there is a shooting and fatality at 7am or so, Step 2 should be immediate lockdown - all students stay where they are (mostly in dorms). This gives him a lot less random, moving targets (e.g. in unlocked classrooms).

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sm8000

Because having people locked away in relative safety is a step closer to preventing mass shootings.

You guys are using information now known to think retroactively about the situation. Think about how often you hear about a random person getting murdered in fairly close locations, and just shrug it off. A typical killer doesn't kill one person that they know and then go attack someone at random on the streets.

Me not really being worried doesn't mean that I have balls, its just common sense.

Exactly my sentiments. If I were to hear of a murder in one of the dorms, I'd probably still go to class... Now, if this guy unloaded initially on multiple people, as some have suggested, that'd be a different story. But one person? The guy was probably pissed or had some reason for it.

Wow, it's as if you guys live in a completely different world than me. My University would have probably closed for a week if someone was shot and killed in the dorms.

KT

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Mill

Not all of us just got back from Iraq, dude. Think about it. That being said, I never said the school should be shut down. Just a warning to students and faculty so they can take precautions and know what they face. Even a simple "gunman killed someone and is on the loose" type of message might have gone a long way.

Still over here, but that really doesn't have much effect on my mindset. Anyways, nothing wrong with some sort of warning, but a shut down just isn't justified over one person.

None of us know the whole situation yet, but you do realize that from what is being reported now your judgment has been proved very wrong? Apparently they didn't take enough steps to stop the shooter after the initial shots were fired, and over twenty more people died as a result.

With that in mind, how can you keep saying this?

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: sm8000
For anyone missing the point (e.g. TallBill, darkswordsman17), ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS (e.g. not a city), when Step 1 is that there is a shooting and fatality at 7am or so, Step 2 should be immediate lockdown - all students stay where they are (mostly in dorms). This gives him a lot less random, moving targets (e.g. in unlocked classrooms).

Read my post a few pages back. Colleges are stuck in a bureaucratic mess, and most colleges do not have the manpower to shut down campus like you're talking about. Like has been said there is a lot that is not known about what took place so don't be so quick to say what should have been done.

 

[SVT Cobra]

God that makes me more than sick (severely pissed off) that some guy would go on a rampage because of his gf...if that is what happened....the fing kids these days...JC.



BTW guys cut everyone involved some slack....just how it is easy to be an arm chair QB.......same type of thing.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Okay TallBill, we get it, you're a badass, a body or two isn't going to scare you away from lectures. Neato Cheeto.

You've never been anywhere in your entire life that someone has been killed within 5 minutes of you? Your first reaction was to barricade yourself in your house???

On a side note, I went to class on september 11th after watching both towers fall from accross the river in Newark.

Schools and Colleges are very different than a random city street. There have been very few random mass killings on the street. They typically happen in a workplace, school, college, or some other community center. This is why those places have different rules and why they go on lockdown when there is a threat.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

This is a college campus. When it is in a city you can't lock it down.

Uh, yes they can. At least sections of a larger city.

On a campus they are responsible for their students safety.

Where did you read this? Everyone at the school is an adult and responsible for themselves.

You are a complete moron if you think that having a murderer running around isn't enough to cancel classes.

Well I guess that I am a complete moron.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Wow this is just crazy. Do we have a motive yet or any other info?

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: sm8000
For anyone missing the point (e.g. TallBill, darkswordsman17), ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS (e.g. not a city), when Step 1 is that there is a shooting and fatality at 7am or so, Step 2 should be immediate lockdown - all students stay where they are (mostly in dorms). This gives him a lot less random, moving targets (e.g. in unlocked classrooms).

Read my post a few pages back. Colleges are stuck in a bureaucratic mess, and most colleges do not have the manpower to shut down campus like you're talking about. Like has been said there is a lot that is not known about what took place so don't be so quick to say what should have been done.

Sorry, I'm at work and there are a lot of pages to go through. But I get the idea of what you're saying. So let me ask you this: When you find out that there has just been a shooting and fatality on campus, what is your ideal plan of action for everyone?

 

[Matt2]

Dude, I just don't get some of you guys.

This is a terrible, terrible thing to happen on a college campus. I dont even know what I would do if it happened here at San Diego State.

Glad to hear everyone from AT is ok.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
God that makes me more than sick (severely pissed off) that some guy would go on a rampage because of his gf...if that is what happened....the fing kids these days...JC.



BTW guys cut everyone involved some slack....just how it is easy to be an arm chair QB.......same type of thing.

I'm not trying to be an armchair QB, I just don't understand why someone would still advocate leaving the school open after we're learning that is exactly what led to the high death toll. A simple "That was a poor choice," would suffice.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: TallBill
It definitely could have saved some lives today.

That is completely baseless. There is no way for anyone to know if that is true or not until all of the facts are out, which is why all of these arguments should be taken out of this thread.

KT

Open up your dictionary and look up the definition of the word "could". I made a simple one line post about my gut reaction to the situation.

Just go ahead and add yourself to your asshat list, and then take it to a different thread.

What exactly are you trying to prove here? It seems like you're just eating up the attention. Get this through your head, you're not a badass, you're not a higher point of authority, and you deserve no more respect because of your duties in the army.

Stop it.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

This is a college campus. When it is in a city you can't lock it down.

Uh, yes they can. At least sections of a larger city.

On a campus they are responsible for their students safety.

Where did you read this? Everyone at the school is an adult and responsible for themselves.

You are a complete moron if you think that having a murderer running around isn't enough to cancel classes.

Well I guess that I am a complete moron.

Are you absolutely insane. Are you actually arguing this!?!!?!?

 

[KarmaPolice]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

This is a college campus. When it is in a city you can't lock it down.

Uh, yes they can. At least sections of a larger city.

On a campus they are responsible for their students safety.

Where did you read this? Everyone at the school is an adult and responsible for themselves.

You are a complete moron if you think that having a murderer running around isn't enough to cancel classes.

Well I guess that I am a complete moron.

Are you absolutely insane. Are you actually arguing this!?!!?!?

I doubt they will have class for a while.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

This is a college campus. When it is in a city you can't lock it down.

Uh, yes they can. At least sections of a larger city.

On a campus they are responsible for their students safety.

Where did you read this? Everyone at the school is an adult and responsible for themselves.

You are a complete moron if you think that having a murderer running around isn't enough to cancel classes.

Well I guess that I am a complete moron.

I'm just not understanding you here. Sorry. Universities are responsible for student safety and they should have an action plan. I just don't see your point.

 

[Gamingphreek]

So far classes are canceled for today as well as tomorrow. After that we have not gotten word yet, but they are expecting it to be open on Wednesday.

-Kevin

 

[purbeast0]

wow I really have no clue whatsoever where TallBill is coming from.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
So far classes are canceled for today as well as tomorrow. After that we have not gotten word yet, but they are expecting it to be open on Wednesday.

-Kevin

That's what I've heard, too.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Damn. CNN has the murder count up to 31! Will it keep climbing?

 

[Farang]

I was going to say earlier that I do not understand how one person could kill so many without being tackled and brought down. Now I learn he only had two pistols, with under 30 shots before he had to reload. From the very vague info we have so far it seems the reason he was able to pull it off was that he shot a few rounds off in a classroom, left, and continued to the next. He had an angle advantage by having nobody at his back, and by leaving the injured students in the class, they figured they were safe and barricaded themselves in there and didn't want to risk getting shot tackling him in the hallway.

Of course I'm just making this up from witness accounts but it boggles my mind how he could've got such a high death toll with two pistols.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: sm8000
For anyone missing the point (e.g. TallBill, darkswordsman17), ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS (e.g. not a city), when Step 1 is that there is a shooting and fatality at 7am or so, Step 2 should be immediate lockdown - all students stay where they are (mostly in dorms). This gives him a lot less random, moving targets (e.g. in unlocked classrooms).

Read my post a few pages back. Colleges are stuck in a bureaucratic mess, and most colleges do not have the manpower to shut down campus like you're talking about. Like has been said there is a lot that is not known about what took place so don't be so quick to say what should have been done.

Sorry, I'm at work and there are a lot of pages to go through. But I get the idea of what you're saying. So let me ask you this: When you find out that there has just been a shooting and fatality on campus, what is your ideal plan of action for everyone?

I honestly don't think I have enough experience to even begin to say (which is why any announcment about shutting down a college has to go through a chain of command, where there should be people who do). Personally, I would expect them to cancel classes, but if they thought they had caught the guy (I still have not seen if they did or not), then I can see why they didn't.

Also, I don't know about VT, but here, there are classes as early as 7:05 (and some of the biggest classes have blocks that early) and so there would have already been a lot of people on campus with no knowledge of what was going on.

I'm not saying you're wrong about shutting things down, but those are not knee-jerk reactions. If they shutdown the school and found out the guy went home and killed himself we'd probably be hearing from students and faculty outraged about it being cancelled (well, ok, maybe not students).

 

[Parasitic]

Heart goes out to the fallen.

I got too sickened to continue watching CNN news. They went up bitching about how communication wasn't adequate on campus because they didn't have PA systems and sent out emails to the mass 20,000 students instead.

What retards at CNN. Show me one university that has a campus-wide PA system covering 2600 acres of land.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
Wow this is just crazy. Do we have a motive yet or any other info?

Guys,

Yes, I responded to assist with the shootings. Thanks to an overwhelming number of other responders, I didn't treat any of the patients. However, I think I have a clearer version of the story than what has been released on the news. I'm not sure on the total body count though. While the news is currently reporting 22, I've heard as many as 40. As far as those injured, I have no idea. I do know that Montgomer Regional and NRV had to go on diversion because they were overwhelmed by numbers of patients. Approximately 7 of the more critical patients were transported to Roanoke Memorial and Lewis-Gale. The shooter is among those dead.

To the best of my understanding (from first-hand accounts) this all started with an ex-boyfriend finding his girlfriend in bed with another guy. He then shot them, killing the guy immediately and the girl died at RMH. The shooter then went to Norris hall and entered a classroom opening fire. This does hit close to home on a number of levels. Everything from the fact that we all lived in that dorm to classes that we took in Norris Hall. It's still hard for me to believe that something so tragic occured. It makes last August's events with Morva look like child's-play.

The latter paragraph would confirm the VT president who is on TV now saying that two people were killed in the co-ed dorm, followed by the second round of shooting.

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

On a campus they are responsible for their students safety.

Where did you read this? Everyone at the school is an adult and responsible for themselves.


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You are a complete moron if you think that having a murderer running around isn't enough to cancel classes.

Well I guess that I am a complete moron.

 

[flavio]

Has anyone addressed the most important question here yet?

WHAT VIDEO GAME MADE THIS GUY DO THIS?