WTF!!!!!! - Virginia Tech

[GTaudiophile]

They killer must have just snapped. I mean, I can see getting dengerously angry after catching your GF in bed with another dude, but what about that causes you to take your gun outside and kill at least another 29? Did the whole campus become guilty or responsible somehow?

 

[ForumMaster]

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[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
They killer must have just snapped. I mean, I can see getting dengerously angry after catching your GF in bed with another dude, but about that causes you to take your gun outside and kille at least another 29? Did the whole campus become guilty or responsible somehow?

Finding your girlfriend in bed with another guy would make most men snap in a wave of emotions; anger, rage, sadness, despair. Just depends on how serious he was about her.

 

[Parasitic]

]Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
Yeah unless we find out later that the school did something totally retarded we cant really blame them. How do you stop thousands of kids from going to school. The only way you could do it would be calling all of them which is impossible. The email is a good effort but not everyone checks their email in the morning. The PSA is a good thing but also difficult to reach every corner of campus. Add to the fact that you are talking about a college campus where its a bunch of kids who are used to not listening to warnings, thinking they are invincible, and are very curious and its a situation thats very hard to handle.

The way they made it sound on TV was focusing (almost blaming) on the belated e-mail communication and criticising VT in a way for not being able to prevent the # of victims of increasing.

I just think that they could've done and said other things instead.

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Here's my question. After the first shooting where two people were shot/killed in the dorm, why wasn't the entire campus locked down if the suspect was not in custody and not just the dorm? How do you go on business as usual with two murdered people on your campus?

It just seems odd to me. I know we're talking 20-20 here, but still...

Your question's coming a few pages too late

 

[NakaNaka]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
They killer must have just snapped. I mean, I can see getting dengerously angry after catching your GF in bed with another dude, but about that causes you to take your gun outside and kille at least another 29? Did the whole campus become guilty or responsible somehow?

Finding your girlfriend in bed with another guy would make most men snap in a wave of emotions; anger, rage, sadness, despair. Just depends on how serious he was about her.

What doesn't make sense is the time frame and certain details. A) The time between the two shootings. If he just started going crazy in the dorm, I could see that. But two hours later, across campus, and he brought chains to lock doors so police couldn't come in? That doesn't sound like passion, it sounds like pre meditated murder.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
They killer must have just snapped. I mean, I can see getting dengerously angry after catching your GF in bed with another dude, but what about that causes you to take your gun outside and kill at least another 29? Did the whole campus become guilty or responsible somehow?

You can't look TOO hard for reasonable explanations for unreasonable behavior. Sometimes when people snap, they snap hard. It's unfortunate that this particular individual owned or had access to two guns (and no, this is not meant as an anti-gun post per se).

 

[CptObvious]

RIP to the victims. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how f***ed up this guy was.

 

[Superself]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: cliftonite

The Division of Public Safety is responsible for responding to all emergencies, suspicious activities, crimes, security concerns, and parking and transportation challenges. The goal of every member of our police, security, emergency services and parking and transportation departments is to provide for a safe, secure, enjoyable and fulfilling university experience. Public safety employees are proud to be a part of a university team that works with students, staff and neighboring communities to further improve conditions in and around Rutgers University.

Well duh, of course a division of Public Safety is responsible for responding to all emergencies, suspicious activities, crimes, security concerns, and parking and transportation challenges. That's the entire point of having a division of Public Safety.

However, is the University legally responsible (sp?) for going above and beyond to protect their student's safety in the state of Virginia?

What the ****** is wrong with you??
I do not want to believe that you are that ignorant.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Parasitic
Heart goes out to the fallen.

I got too sickened to continue watching CNN news. They went up bitching about how communication wasn't adequate on campus because they didn't have PA systems and sent out emails to the mass 20,000 students instead.

What retards at CNN. Show me one university that has a campus-wide PA system covering 2600 acres of land.

This is what strikes me about the argument that they should have shut down the whole school. I don't know how they could realistically have gotten the message out in a sufficiently quick and thorough way that it would have worked. I went to Madison (an even larger school), and there is no way in hell the school could effectively be shut down, and the students told not to come to school, within an hour or two.

As previously mentioned:

http://www.schoolcast.com/

It has has the capability of sending several thousand SMS, Phone, E-mail messages in just minutes. It can notify large districts (20k+) in less than 10 minutes. I don't think it would be a stretch to realize it could notify employees and students of a large University in less than 20-30 minutes. Plus, they have faster and bigger software, so it would be possible to make those times even smaller.

Several large schools systems use it around there to notify for bad weather and emergencies. So far it has worked pretty well.

 

[bucwylde23]

Just finished watching some of the press conference at VT.

This is really sad. I feel bad for all of the families of the victims.

I can't believe how stupid some of the questions are that the media is asking.

It really seemed like they were trying to find blame in VT for not preventing this from happening. I don't see what they could have done differently with what they knew at the time. The guy obviously was screwed up in the head.

 

[Superself]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
They killer must have just snapped. I mean, I can see getting dengerously angry after catching your GF in bed with another dude, but about that causes you to take your gun outside and kille at least another 29? Did the whole campus become guilty or responsible somehow?

Finding your girlfriend in bed with another guy would make most men snap in a wave of emotions; anger, rage, sadness, despair. Just depends on how serious he was about her.

With the ammo this guy was packing, the only thing he was serious about was killing.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Parasitic
Heart goes out to the fallen.

I got too sickened to continue watching CNN news. They went up bitching about how communication wasn't adequate on campus because they didn't have PA systems and sent out emails to the mass 20,000 students instead.

What retards at CNN. Show me one university that has a campus-wide PA system covering 2600 acres of land.

This is what strikes me about the argument that they should have shut down the whole school. I don't know how they could realistically have gotten the message out in a sufficiently quick and thorough way that it would have worked. I went to Madison (an even larger school), and there is no way in hell the school could effectively be shut down, and the students told not to come to school, within an hour or two.

As previously mentioned:

http://www.schoolcast.com/

It has has the capability of sending several thousand SMS, Phone, E-mail messages in just minutes. It can notify large districts (20k+) in less than 10 minutes. I don't think it would be a stretch to realize it could notify employees and students of a large University in less than 20-30 minutes. Plus, they have faster and bigger software, so it would be possible to make those times even smaller.

Several large schools systems use it around there to notify for bad weather and emergencies. So far it has worked pretty well.

That actually sounds very useful. Most college kids have cell phones.

 

[Parasitic]

Originally posted by: chrisg22
It really seemed like they were trying to find blame in VT for not preventing this from happening. I don't see what they could have done differently with what they knew at the time. The guy obviously was screwed up in the head.

This is American politics and media at its worst: always trying to find a scapegoat to justify ill-logic.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Looking at my campus E-Mail the first time I got an E-Mail was at 9:26AM:

A shooting incident occurred at West Amber Johnston earlier this morning. Police are on the scene and are investigating.

The university community is urged to be cautious and are asked to contact Virginia Tech Police if you observe anything suspicious or with information on the case. Contact Virginia Tech Police at 231-6411

Stay attuned to the www.vt.edu. We will post as soon as we have more information.

At 9:50AM we got another E-Mail saying:

A gunman is loose on campus. Stay in buildings until further notice. Stay away from all windows

From that point on that means all classes were canceled and we weren't to leave the dorms. Those already in classes were supposed to be dismissed, but some professors kept their students for the entire time.

At the time, since it was before 10AM all doors were already locked to non-residents. We need to swipe our card to get access to the building. Despite this, people open the doors for others or just walk in in a crowd- Just being nice to people.

Hope I can clear things up as they present.

-Kevin

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: NakaNaka

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
They killer must have just snapped. I mean, I can see getting dengerously angry after catching your GF in bed with another dude, but about that causes you to take your gun outside and kille at least another 29? Did the whole campus become guilty or responsible somehow?

Finding your girlfriend in bed with another guy would make most men snap in a wave of emotions; anger, rage, sadness, despair. Just depends on how serious he was about her.

What doesn't make sense is the time frame and certain details. A) The time between the two shootings. If he just started going crazy in the dorm, I could see that. But two hours later, across campus, and he brought chains to lock doors so police couldn't come in? That doesn't sound like passion, it sounds like pre meditated murder.

You think two hours is enough to get over something like that, espeically if it was enough to get him to kill the person he loved? Try months, years, or most likely never.

 

[razor2025]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
They killer must have just snapped. I mean, I can see getting dengerously angry after catching your GF in bed with another dude, but what about that causes you to take your gun outside and kill at least another 29? Did the whole campus become guilty or responsible somehow?

I think after he shot-up his ex-GF and the guy (assuming that's true), he just snapped. Some people lose it when they commit something horrific, i.e. shooting up someone you liked before.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Superself

What the ****** is wrong with you??
I do not want to believe that you are that ignorant.

Ok then, show me the law that says that the university has to provide a warning to the entire student body that one student has been murdered. Or has to shut down the school. Or is ultimately responsible for the safety of the student body.

I honestly want to know, but people are acting like retards and wont answer.

Don't assume the intentions of my question.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Looking at my campus E-Mail the first time I got an E-Mail was at 9:26AM:

A shooting incident occurred at West Amber Johnston earlier this morning. Police are on the scene and are investigating.

The university community is urged to be cautious and are asked to contact Virginia Tech Police if you observe anything suspicious or with information on the case. Contact Virginia Tech Police at 231-6411

Stay attuned to the www.vt.edu. We will post as soon as we have more information.

At 9:50AM we got another E-Mail saying:

A gunman is loose on campus. Stay in buildings until further notice. Stay away from all windows

From that point on that means all classes were canceled and we weren't to leave the dorms. Those already in classes were supposed to be dismissed, but some professors kept their students for the entire time.

At the time, since it was before 10AM all doors were already locked to non-residents. We need to swipe our card to get access to the building. Despite this, people open the doors for others or just walk in in a crowd- Just being nice to people.

Hope I can clear things up as they present.

-Kevin

Kevin, interesting point that I was going to bring up. That's how it always was at our dorms, too. People would let other people in or walk in big groups. So, the card swipe security was almost useless if you had someone who was even decently logical or smart. They would just wait until someone who had their card was going in.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
They killer must have just snapped. I mean, I can see getting dengerously angry after catching your GF in bed with another dude, but what about that causes you to take your gun outside and kill at least another 29? Did the whole campus become guilty or responsible somehow?

I think after he shot-up his ex-GF and the guy (assuming that's true), he just snapped. Some people lose it when they commit something horrific, i.e. shooting up someone you liked before.

To me it sounds more like he new what was going on before. You dont just go over to your girlfriends dorm with two pistols and enough ammo till kill over 30 people. I am thinking he new she was cheating on him, maybe had some other issues and went over there with the intention of killing her, the guy, and then the rest of the campus.

This is just what i think happened. In either case very sad.

 

[Number1]

What a tragedy. My initial feeling was that after the initial shooting, the entire campus should have been shot down.

However, murders happen every day in the US and normally, the perpetrators don't go on to massacre 28 more peoples in the following hours.

How could law enforcement have reasonably expected that the shooter would go on to do this?

I foresee numerous law suits and this issue will be debated ad infinitum.

My condolences to the families and VT ATers.

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Superself

What the ****** is wrong with you??
I do not want to believe that you are that ignorant.

Ok then, show me the law that says that the university has to provide a warning to the entire student body that one student has been murdered. Or has to shut down the school. Or is ultimately responsible for the safety of the student body.

I honestly want to know, but people are acting like retards and wont answer.

I suspect it would more likely be a school policy rather than a governmental law, but then I also suspect you're getting a bit off point anyway.

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: cliftonite

The Division of Public Safety is responsible for responding to all emergencies, suspicious activities, crimes, security concerns, and parking and transportation challenges. The goal of every member of our police, security, emergency services and parking and transportation departments is to provide for a safe, secure, enjoyable and fulfilling university experience. Public safety employees are proud to be a part of a university team that works with students, staff and neighboring communities to further improve conditions in and around Rutgers University.

Well duh, of course a division of Public Safety is responsible for responding to all emergencies, suspicious activities, crimes, security concerns, and parking and transportation challenges. That's the entire point of having a division of Public Safety.

However, is the University legally responsible (sp?) for going above and beyond to protect their student's safety in the state of Virginia?

You stated :

"Where did you read this? Everyone at the school is an adult and responsible for themselves. "

To:

"On a campus they (the school) are responsible for their students safety."



Schools policy says:

The goal of every member of our police, security, emergency services and parking and transportation departments is to provide for a safe, secure, enjoyable and fulfilling university experience.

 

[Q]

Damn, this sucks, I feel sorry for the parents and everyone at VT

 

[Parasitic]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Superself

What the ****** is wrong with you??
I do not want to believe that you are that ignorant.

Ok then, show me the law that says that the university has to provide a warning to the entire student body that one student has been murdered. Or has to shut down the school. Or is ultimately responsible for the safety of the student body.

I honestly want to know, but people are acting like retards and wont answer.

I think it's implied that a university will care for the welfare of its students, but of course through various other means. However I think the media have pushed this too far as to blame a school for not being able to communicate in real-time to all of its 20,000 students over 2600 acres of land and nearby non-campus properties in the greater region.