Originally posted by: Muse
Yeah, that's the argument the NRA makes and those sympathetic with their position -- i.e. all the millions of gun owners in the US who don't want to give up their guns. "If you make guns illegal, only outlaws will have guns."Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Atheus
It would seem to me the idea is to make sure the *murderer* never had a gun in the first place, not to make sure everyone else has one too...
It's easy to get a gun illegally, just as it's easy to get illegal drugs. If you're willing to murder people, I doubt that obeying the law is at the top of your priorities.
If you banned guns, those who are willing to obtain them illegally would still be able to get them, whereas the law abiding citizens would be disarmed.
Well, duh! The thing of it is that it will take a long time for this gun happy country to get over it. It won't happen in 2-3 years. It will take a generation for it to really start working, but it will work. You have to make it illegal (highly illegal) to have, distribute, manufacture, adapt, hide, smuggle, cache and use guns. The idea that you are safe because you have guns is trash.
NOT the shooter. Read your own dang link.Originally posted by: crab
Originally posted by: totalcommand
supposedly this is the guy's livejournal:
http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/
Check it out now...
Originally posted by: Conky
NOT the shooter. Read your own dang link.Originally posted by: crab
Originally posted by: totalcommand
supposedly this is the guy's livejournal:
http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/
Check it out now...
Originally posted by: Conky
NOT the shooter. Read your own dang link.Originally posted by: crab
Originally posted by: totalcommand
supposedly this is the guy's livejournal:
http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/
Check it out now...
for real.Originally posted by: Conky
NOT the shooter. Read your own dang link.Originally posted by: crab
Originally posted by: totalcommand
supposedly this is the guy's livejournal:
http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/
Check it out now...
Originally posted by: Conky
NOT the shooter. Read your own dang link.Originally posted by: crab
Originally posted by: totalcommand
supposedly this is the guy's livejournal:
http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/
Check it out now...
Originally posted by: erub
Originally posted by: Conky
NOT the shooter. Read your own dang link.Originally posted by: crab
Originally posted by: totalcommand
supposedly this is the guy's livejournal:
http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/
Check it out now...
I think that was crab's point..anyway GT is doing a rememberance ceremony, I'm sure many other schools will do something similar..
Dear Fellow Members of the Georgia Tech Family:
The tragic events at Virginia Tech have profoundly saddened us all.
As most of you may know, Georgia Tech is deeply associated with
Virginia Tech, both as a sister school in the ACC and as a university
with which we frequently collaborate on important research projects.
Many of us have colleagues and friends there, and our hearts and
thoughts are with them and their families at this heartbreaking time.
Please accept my personal invitation to come to a remembrance
ceremony at 4 p.m. tomorrow at the Campanile. It is a fitting time
and special place where we can offer our thoughts and prayers on
behalf of those who have been so sadly taken from us and for their
friends and families. In the event of inclement weather, the
ceremony will be in the Ferst Center for the Arts.
I also want to assure you that campus safety is a foremost priority
and that are doing everything we can to keep our campus safe.
Sincerely,
G. Wayne Clough
President, Georgia Tech
Originally posted by: moshquerade
for real.Originally posted by: Conky
NOT the shooter. Read your own dang link.Originally posted by: crab
Originally posted by: totalcommand
supposedly this is the guy's livejournal:
http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/
Check it out now...
that guy does look to be obsessed with guns though and a total douchebag.
16 April 2007 @ 10:29 pm
Coming out. I am not the shooter. Through this experience, I have received numerous death threats, slanderous accusations, and my phone is out of charge from the barrage of calls. Local police have been notified of the situation.
My original intention was to wait until I got AdSense on my site and donating all the proceeds to Charity. However, this situation has now spiraled out of control. I am now confirming that I am not the shooter. I will be available for interview by a news agency to clear my name, talk about the experience, and give my opinion on how the situation could have turned out better if other students were allowed to be armed. I will only speak with individuals who are interested in donating to charities resulting from today's events. Please e-mail all correspondence to null@vt.edu
Originally posted by: DigitalWanksta
I'm looking forward to finding out all of the details myself. Being a full-time college student at a university, I really felt impacted by this today. My concern about the entire situation is the fact that the gunman shot a student in the residence hall and later returned after about two hours to go on a rampage in one of the Engineering buildings where majority of the students were killed. The university sent out an e-mail? Informed students, faculty, and staff that there had been a shooting in on of the residence halls and to proceed with caution today? I think that is a bit much. I personally feel, from a students prospective, that the university should have shut the campus down right then and proceeded with a lock down. Think about all the lives that could have been saved today. I know there is an endless amount of "you should haves" after something like this happens. However, I honestly think that there should have been more importance placed on the original shooting that took place first thing this morning.
They did a helluva job.Originally posted by: Dari
The Chief of the University Police Department and the President should be fired for not shutting the school down when there was a killer on the loose. HTF do you not alert everyone and call the first killings "an isolated incident" when the killer was still free? Assholes.
yeh, they probably even supplied the guy with ammo. :roll:Originally posted by: Dari
The Chief of the University Police Department and the President should be fired for not shutting the school down when there was a killer on the loose. HTF do you not alert everyone and call the first killings "an isolated incident" when the killer was still free? Assholes.
http://bbsnews.net/article.php/20070416214003210Media Should Back Off Blame Game at Virginia Tech
Monday, April 16 2007 @ 09:40 PM EDT
Media has now switched from reporting a tragedy to laying blame on school officials
BBSNews Commentary 2007-04-16 -- Major media has now moved from reporting the tragedy at Virginia Tech straight to the blame game just hours after this senseless string of murders. Apparently not all of the next of kin have even been notified about the status of student or faculty, and the media, including Paula Zahn at CNN are trying to elicit Virginia Tech students and other "experts" to blame school or police officials for the tragedy.
The facts are simply not in yet. There is no excuse for such poor performance on the part of talking heads to make all these guesses and imply that it is school officials and police who are at fault for a whacked out gunman or gunmen who actually committed the shootings.
According to reports so far from two separate news conferences, there was a shooting early this morning about 7:15 am at Virginia Tech. Campus authorities and local police responded to that crime scene within minutes and started an investigation. From preliminary evidence and witness reports from the scene, police were led to believe that they were dealing with a single scene and the shooter had fled the campus.
They were continuing their investigation of the original scene when the shootings broke out at Norris Hall about two hours later where a further thirty-one people were killed in quick succession. The Virginia Tech news Web site is still carrying a banner from that incident that warns:
"Emergency! 04/16/2007 9:58 am Gunman on Campus; Stay Indoors and Away from Windows See details"
And that was fair enough. This had suddenly elevated from what was thought to be an isolated incident into a full fledged "school shooting" that parents and educators in the United States universally fear, and an all campus "gunman" warning was certainly now warranted for the second incident hours later after the first.
To the students who were prodded by Paula Zahn to lay blame for the deaths on school officials rather than the shooter(s) and who resisted her lurid attempt; they are to be commended for putting her in her place and letting her know they were more inclined to blame the actual perpetrator as opposed to school officials or police.
And to the expert who appeared on CNN earlier claiming to hear two separate types of gunfire and speculating about police using M-16 type weapons towards the gunman, he should be ashamed for making such a claim while admitting that he could not even see the accompanying video.
We cannot claim any expertise, but in our newsroom it was felt that Jamal Al Bhagouti's cell phone microphone was picking up some sort of flapping plastic noise from the extreme wind. The almost evenly spaced gunfire seemed to be of one caliber, and watching the police officials in the video who were trying to approach the building through two separate entrances towards the end of the video, the loud "bang" that was heard seemed to happen just after the entrances were breeched. It sounded like a "flash bang" grenade followed by the usual law enforcement rush-in and shouting in the first seconds of them trying to secure a volatile "shots fired" victims-hostage scene.
There are many unknowns in this incident that is now reportedly the most deadly mass shooting incident in United States history. What is clearly known, is that there is no precedent for this kind of shooting, no act of terrorism can be completely protected from at all times and speculating that what amounts to be a small city could be simply and completely shut down in a matter of minutes is irresponsible reporting at best.
It is also irresponsible and unfair to the parents, relatives, faculty and the public to start laying blame on officials for what is by all accounts an act with no precedent. Major media should refrain from hyping scenarios and stereotypical "profiler" theories and report the actual facts that are verified by officials on the scene. Sensationalizing "gaps" between what police thought was an isolated crime scene, that suddenly turned into a possible connection between the two shootings is wrong and officials have not yet made such a link official.
CNN producers, reporters and anchors especially should take a page out of former CNN anchor Aaron Brown's book and report what you know and not what you think. Don't lower yourselves to the cheesy sensationalism of other "news" networks in reporting this horrible mass-murder, it's aftermath and future repercussions.
Originally posted by: moshquerade
for real.Originally posted by: Conky
NOT the shooter. Read your own dang link.Originally posted by: crab
Originally posted by: totalcommand
supposedly this is the guy's livejournal:
http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/
Check it out now...
that guy does look to be obsessed with guns though and a total douchebag.
:thumbsdown:Originally posted by: pcslookout
Do you all think the shooter was a anandtech user ?
heh. i haven't harassed him.Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: moshquerade
for real.Originally posted by: Conky
NOT the shooter. Read your own dang link.Originally posted by: crab
Originally posted by: totalcommand
supposedly this is the guy's livejournal:
http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/
Check it out now...
that guy does look to be obsessed with guns though and a total douchebag.
Let's stop harrassing that guy. He is not the shooter, leave him alone.
So it'll be like the war on drugs? How much longer til people quit having cocaine?Well, duh! The thing of it is that it will take a long time for this gun happy country to get over it. It won't happen in 2-3 years. It will take a generation for it to really start working, but it will work. You have to make it illegal (highly illegal) to have, distribute, manufacture, adapt, hide, smuggle, cache and use guns. The idea that you are safe because you have guns is trash.
Originally posted by: moshquerade
heh. i haven't harassed him.Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: moshquerade
for real.Originally posted by: Conky
NOT the shooter. Read your own dang link.Originally posted by: crab
Originally posted by: totalcommand
supposedly this is the guy's livejournal:
http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/
Check it out now...
that guy does look to be obsessed with guns though and a total douchebag.
Let's stop harrassing that guy. He is not the shooter, leave him alone.
Originally posted by: preCRT
Very sad story on Boston local news, a mom of a VT student has been trying to reach her son by phone all day. No one can find him, not his roommates nor friends. The mom called the school's hotline and they couldn't confirm if her son among the victims, only said someone from the local police will get in touch with her tomorrow if her son was a victim.
WTF is that?