Wouldn't be surprised. He's Korean, and thats makes it very likely. Korean parents are always ranting about being better than siblings and things like that. That stuff gets into your head and makes you feel crazy after a while.
Originally posted by: Dacalo
Thanks for the links Queasy, very informative.
I wonder if he snapped due to parental pressure? One of the articles indicated that his sister graduated from Princeton. I wonder his parents were down on him for being not as successful as his sibling. He also said something about majoring in business even though he is majored in English.
Originally posted by: Dacalo
Thanks for the links Queasy, very informative.
I wonder if he snapped due to parental pressure? One of the articles indicated that his sister graduated from Princeton. I wonder his parents were down on him for being not as successful as his sibling. He also said something about majoring in business even though he is majored in English.
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Queasy, you have been very informative throughout this thread. Thanks.
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
They killer must have just snapped. I mean, I can see getting dengerously angry after catching your GF in bed with another dude, but what about that causes you to take your gun outside and kill at least another 29? Did the whole campus become guilty or responsible somehow?
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Think about it this way: relax the concealed gun laws, and allow everyone to carry, meaning the sane, rational people as well as the nutjobs. At least the rational cool people are there to take control once the nutjobs pop offf a few. Meaning: casualties are minimum.
Or: No one can carry guns. The rational cool people, or the nutjobs. When the nutjobs go off, no one gets shot (injured maybe, but certainly not shot to death). The rational cool people are there to pound them into the ground, and still--limiting death.
Relaxed gun laws: Minimal casualties (one might hope)
No guns: little to no casualties.
Isn't the latter the most sensible option?
Why don't you think so?I don't think rational people will carry a gun.
Originally posted by: exdeath
Think a shooting and 32 deaths are bad and reason to blame guns for all of societies problems? Yea it sucks that this happened, but blaming a material object for what this man did is just as insane as he was.
Consider this imaginary nightmare scenario: covertly locking all the doors, barring all the windows the night before, disabling the fire suppression systems and alarms, and methodically setting fires to the building for maximum spread with pre-cached ignition sources. And many of the materials and fuels probably wouldn't even be questioned in an engineering department. Cause a diversion on the major roadway access points to cause auto accidents during rush hour to deprive fire crews of timely access with vehicles and equipment for several blocks . By the time anyone knew what was going on they would all be trapped in a burning building with no escape. No gun, not even a knife, and by the time it all goes down, you could be long gone and not have to blow your own brains out when the police arrive. And not even a person with a concealed gun would be able to do anything about it. Recipe for a war zone and nightmare scenario, and no gun required.
If you think the sight of a little blood is horrific, try the smell of burnt flesh and the sound of a hundreds people screaming as their blood boils and their face turns to charcoal while they are still breathing.
How many hundreds of lives would be lost in this situation and how much property damage would be caused? What inanimate object would you blame for this? Matches? Wood?
Do not underestimate the power of the human mind intent on doing evil. People, and nothing else, has been the problem since man started bashing each others skulls in with femurs.
Don't be brainwashed just because every time you here the word 'crime' on TV you see a picture of a gun and handcuffs. fvking propagandists, the leftist media. They could have a 5 min snippet on 'crime' having to do with welfare fraud and jaywalking, and they will have a icon with a gun and a 'no smoking sign' on it on the screen every time they say 'crime' and the mass media sheeple apparently have bought it judging by some of the comments I have observed since this incident occurred.
I think we could do a lot of good in this country if we started by throwing away our TVs.. not the screen, and not even movies on DVD or video games, just the network television sewer pipes.
Originally posted by: Jawo
Just found out that one of my friends from VT was the RA the was killed.
He was the nicest guy you could ever meet...so laid back and easy going.....
Originally posted by: josh0099
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Originally posted by: Jawo
Just found out that one of my friends from VT was the RA the was killed.
He was the nicest guy you could ever meet...so laid back and easy going.....
I'm sorry man, I really am.
Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
They killer must have just snapped. I mean, I can see getting dengerously angry after catching your GF in bed with another dude, but what about that causes you to take your gun outside and kill at least another 29? Did the whole campus become guilty or responsible somehow?
To quote a famous line, "who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?" Some people (and they aren't as rare as you may think) would/will snap in certain circumstances. If they have access to the instruments of malice, you can have a catastrophe. In the USA many such people have guns (or known access to them) long before the incident that triggers the carnage. If you pay attention to the news, you have known this for a long time.
Originally posted by: exdeath
Think a shooting and 32 deaths are bad and reason to blame guns for all of societies problems? Yea it sucks that this happened, but blaming a material object for what this man did is just as insane as he was.
Consider this imaginary nightmare scenario: covertly locking all the doors, barring all the windows the night before, disabling the fire suppression systems and alarms, and methodically setting fires to the building for maximum spread with pre-cached ignition sources. And many of the materials and fuels probably wouldn't even be questioned in an engineering department. Cause a diversion on the major roadway access points to cause auto accidents during rush hour to deprive fire crews of timely access with vehicles and equipment for several blocks . By the time anyone knew what was going on they would all be trapped in a burning building with no escape. No gun, not even a knife, and by the time it all goes down, you could be long gone and not have to blow your own brains out when the police arrive. And not even a person with a concealed gun would be able to do anything about it. Recipe for a war zone and nightmare scenario, and no gun required.
If you think the sight of a little blood is horrific, try the smell of burnt flesh and the sound of a hundreds people screaming as their blood boils and their face turns to charcoal while they are still breathing.
How many hundreds of lives would be lost in this situation and how much property damage would be caused? What inanimate object would you blame for this? Matches? Wood?
Do not underestimate the power of the human mind intent on doing evil. People, and nothing else, has been the problem since man started bashing each others skulls in with femurs.
Don't be brainwashed just because every time you here the word 'crime' on TV you see a picture of a gun and handcuffs. fvking propagandists, the leftist media. They could have a 5 min snippet on 'crime' having to do with welfare fraud and jaywalking, and they will have a icon with a gun and a 'no smoking sign' on it on the screen every time they say 'crime' and the mass media sheeple apparently have bought it judging by some of the comments I have observed since this incident occurred.
I think we could do a lot of good in this country if we started by throwing away our TVs.. not the screen, and not even movies on DVD or video games, just the network television sewer pipes.
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I just heard a good point being made on the news.
Even in a combat zone, it's hard for most people (even soldiers) to fire so many bullets into other people and continue doing so at a high rate.
Seeing bullets tear through a person right in front of you, the blood, the horror...a normal person's mind would have shut down to deal with the situation.
This guy must have been in a total haze to have been able to do this to others.
No haze required.
I don't see what the problem is. People bleed when bullets pass through their bodies, shock and awe. So horrible I know, that we are made of squishy tissue that requires oxygen carrying blood. What do people expect to happen?
But then again I don't get people that can't handle an anatomy course without feeling icky... so... thats just me. Maybe I should have been a SEAL... or a Doctor...? Hmm
Originally posted by: exdeath
Think a shooting and 32 deaths are bad and reason to blame guns for all of societies problems? Yea it sucks that this happened, but blaming a material object for what this man did is just as insane as he was.
Consider this imaginary nightmare scenario: covertly locking all the doors, barring all the windows the night before, disabling the fire suppression systems and alarms, and methodically setting fires to the building for maximum spread with pre-cached ignition sources. And many of the materials and fuels probably wouldn't even be questioned in an engineering department. Cause a diversion on the major roadway access points to cause auto accidents during rush hour to deprive fire crews of timely access with vehicles and equipment for several blocks . By the time anyone knew what was going on they would all be trapped in a burning building with no escape. No gun, not even a knife, and by the time it all goes down, you could be long gone and not have to blow your own brains out when the police arrive. And not even a person with a concealed gun would be able to do anything about it. Recipe for a war zone and nightmare scenario, and no gun required.
If you think the sight of a little blood is horrific, try the smell of burnt flesh and the sound of a hundreds people screaming as their blood boils and their face turns to charcoal while they are still breathing.
How many hundreds of lives would be lost in this situation and how much property damage would be caused? What inanimate object would you blame for this? Matches? Wood?
Do not underestimate the power of the human mind intent on doing evil. People, and nothing else, has been the problem since man started bashing each others skulls in with femurs.
Don't be brainwashed just because every time you here the word 'crime' on TV you see a picture of a gun and handcuffs. fvking propagandists, the leftist media. They could have a 5 min snippet on 'crime' having to do with welfare fraud and jaywalking, and they will have a icon with a gun and a 'no smoking sign' on it on the screen every time they say 'crime' and the mass media sheeple apparently have bought it judging by some of the comments I have observed since this incident occurred.
I think we could do a lot of good in this country if we started by throwing away our TVs.. not the screen, and not even movies on DVD or video games, just the network television sewer pipes.
IMO, it was a slow burn jealous rage, he didn't just flip out. Chances are he knew his girlfriend was dumping him for another guy and he did a slow sizzle, buying 2 guns in 5 weeks, plus lots of ammo. I don't think he planned things precisely, but I think he had the broad outline in his head - the guns, ammo, what he would wear (to store the ammo), the chains for the doors. He didn't just decide to die, as quoted above.Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: EKKC
holy crap another columbine in the making
they better not blame this on video games. it's some crazy pure evil mofo deciding they want to die and take a bunch of people with him. may those dead rest in peace.
He didn't decide he wanted to die. It wasn't that at all. It was a jealous rage.
I dont know about this unless youve heard this from somewhere. You dont walk around campus with two pistols and extra ammo just in case someone threatens you. In my opinion he has this planned to some degree. Maybe he found out about it while at home and then did it but i dont think it was a instant idea. But then again...i just know what i know from the news.
Well, it's already illegal to murder people. That's not the issue. The problem is that it's too damned easy to get firearms.Originally posted by: Conky
Yeah, pass more laws, that always works. Look at the "war on drugs" with all those people in jail and people hardly ever use drugs any more. :roll:Originally posted by: Muse
Yeah, that's the argument the NRA makes and those sympathetic with their position -- i.e. all the millions of gun owners in the US who don't want to give up their guns. "If you make guns illegal, only outlaws will have guns."Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Atheus
It would seem to me the idea is to make sure the *murderer* never had a gun in the first place, not to make sure everyone else has one too...
It's easy to get a gun illegally, just as it's easy to get illegal drugs. If you're willing to murder people, I doubt that obeying the law is at the top of your priorities.
If you banned guns, those who are willing to obtain them illegally would still be able to get them, whereas the law abiding citizens would be disarmed.
Well, duh! The thing of it is that it will take a long time for this gun happy country to get over it. It won't happen in 2-3 years. It will take a generation for it to really start working, but it will work. You have to make it illegal (highly illegal) to have, distribute, manufacture, adapt, hide, smuggle, cache and use guns. The idea that you are safe because you have guns is trash.
Why do people think that passing more laws will change the way people behave? There is a law about murdering other people on the books and it didn't seem to deter the VT shooter.
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Originally posted by: Muse
Well, it's already illegal to murder people. That's not the issue. The problem is that it's too damned easy to get firearms.Originally posted by: Conky
Yeah, pass more laws, that always works. Look at the "war on drugs" with all those people in jail and people hardly ever use drugs any more. :roll:Originally posted by: Muse
Yeah, that's the argument the NRA makes and those sympathetic with their position -- i.e. all the millions of gun owners in the US who don't want to give up their guns. "If you make guns illegal, only outlaws will have guns."Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Atheus
It would seem to me the idea is to make sure the *murderer* never had a gun in the first place, not to make sure everyone else has one too...
It's easy to get a gun illegally, just as it's easy to get illegal drugs. If you're willing to murder people, I doubt that obeying the law is at the top of your priorities.
If you banned guns, those who are willing to obtain them illegally would still be able to get them, whereas the law abiding citizens would be disarmed.
Well, duh! The thing of it is that it will take a long time for this gun happy country to get over it. It won't happen in 2-3 years. It will take a generation for it to really start working, but it will work. You have to make it illegal (highly illegal) to have, distribute, manufacture, adapt, hide, smuggle, cache and use guns. The idea that you are safe because you have guns is trash.
Why do people think that passing more laws will change the way people behave? There is a law about murdering other people on the books and it didn't seem to deter the VT shooter.
Originally posted by: jpeyton
At some point, you have to realize that banning firearms for private use is an impossible notion for the US. There is absolutely no way it would happen, for a hundred different reasons.Originally posted by: Muse
Yeah, that's the argument the NRA makes and those sympathetic with their position -- i.e. all the millions of gun owners in the US who don't want to give up their guns. "If you make guns illegal, only outlaws will have guns."
Well, duh! The thing of it is that it will take a long time for this gun happy country to get over it. It won't happen in 2-3 years. It will take a generation for it to really start working, but it will work. You have to make it illegal (highly illegal) to have, distribute, manufacture, adapt, hide, smuggle, cache and use guns. The idea that you are safe because you have guns is trash.
Gun control is the only reasonable political answer to this kind of situation, and even that is a stretch. Even if they reinstated the assault weapons ban, it wouldn't ban the types of semi-automatic 9mm pistols that the shooter likely used.
The only logical solution I see is stronger campus security, better security/lockdown policies and implementation. But even that won't stop a determined person bent on killing other humans.
Guns kill people. People also kill people. But the firearms industry in the US is a powerful, powerful force financially and politically. And the proliferation of firearms in our country is deep and far-reaching.