WTF!!!!!! - Virginia Tech

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: exdeath
Who said it only applies one way? And I have updated my option 3 to prevent you from abusing it and misapplying it.

And yes, I think a lot of it has to do with PC policies and elementary school teachers taking too much prozac. There are always going to be people who lack self control and good judgment, but indoctrinating and pampering their self esteem in public schools to think that their fragile egos can never be hurt by someone...

It doesn't exactly leave them prepared to properly deal with it when it does occur does it?

You're telling us that you want people to treat others as they would treat themselves, then you continue by telling us that if treated badly, to suck it up.

Also, people have committed atrocities throughout history and it's not because people are becoming more liberal. Do you think dictators of the past who killed on a global scale because they lived in times that were too liberal? Your argument is full of fallacies.

OH, and it's also the liberals' fault. don't forget that part of the argument. Apparently exdeath thinks a world with morals is one without raging angst-filled bullied kids.

exdeath wasn't even alive in the sixties. I fail to see how his observations about the social climate in that decade is valid.

Fixed for you, other than I never said anything about the world ever being bully free. There would be *less* bullys though if kids weren't encouraged to act out whatever feeeeeeeeeels good on the spur of the moment with their selfish me me me whatever feels good for meeee entitlement.

If you're gonna cliff note me at least get half of it right.

 

[RobsPics]

There's already one disturbing poster here who has sent harrasing and unwanted PM. You can judge for yourself based on the disurbing posts here in this thread.

 

[JoPh]

Originally posted by: SpiderWiz
I searched for this video but didn't see it posted here. http://www.onetruemedia.com/share_view_player?p=28e879982f4cfb4b908a98

This is a moving video. I post here instead of creating yet another thread.

very nice

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

I think everyone agrees that there's no excuse for what he did but it is important to understand his general mindset and "reasoning" (if any) for why he perpetrated such a large scale crime.

I tried a few times to "understand" motives or "reasoning"....but you will QUICKLY realize its senseless to do.

This guy was mentally sick..and i dont see ANYTHING even related to logical "reasoning" or whatever..there *IS* nothing which legitimates killing 32 people.
Also...his given "reasoning" (as seen in the media) is nothing else than paranoid, sick and twisted ramblings out of his sick brain. Because nothing there makes sense, even remotely.

Please dont expect "reasoning" or anything the like with a crime on such scale.

 

[DigitalWanksta]

Pardon if this has already been shared, but I felt it was worth posting.

A student's story: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1611998,00.html

By the way, Virginia Tech announced today that each student who died will receive the degree/degrees they were working on posthumously.

 

[Luthien]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
I do not see any mentions of what "Ismail Ax" meant in the thread. Thoughts? Is is the Muslim meaning, or a reference to "The Prarie"?

I believe what he meant by that is the same thing "Herman Melville" the author of Moby-Dick meant. Call me ismail ... call me outcast... Ismail Ax I think means Ismail Acts as in the outcast acts as in the outcast takes revenge.

I thought that the second I heard it. I can't be positive about Ax but IMO he is definately refering to himself as an outcast.

 

[Goosemaster]

those accounts are so...


I just read the Wapo one..god man..that was awful

 

[HaxorNubcake]

This has probably already been asked, but did Cho have any family?

I realize that most people are sympathizing with the victims at the moment, but I'm sure the family (if one exists) is horrified as well.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: TehMac
Being bullied is no excuse for shooting. I've been bullied a ton, "its all light hearted fun" they said, but its grating. It is not enough to shoot innocents.

Nobody said it was, but this kid had serious mental health issues and it's not being addressed in schools. Teachers and administrators turn a blind eye.

 

[pcslookout]

Did you see the special on Oprah yesterday about the Va school shooting ? The end of the show they had a guy who was in the library when Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed one of his family members. He lived and now he goes to slow trying to help bring more respect, being nice to each other, etc.

He works with a big movie company and he has prevented many school shooting and suicides. Even had a student come up to him at the end of a speech giving him a hit list telling him that he just saved all these people's lives. :Q I guess this is one solution!

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Is there a bizarro 91TTZ that exists? He's always been a sh1tty poster. He hates me because i call him out on his idiotic posts just like this one. He sounds like he's a 12 year old with access to the internet - trying to prove how 'hardcore' he is.

I'm not hardcore, I'm just real.

And from reading your posts, you don't just have a problem with me, you seem to have a problem with a few people on here. I like to relax and have a good time, whereas you like to hang out in P&N and argue with people.

You're confrontational.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: ViRGE
I really don't have words for this. The idea that it's okay to assault people as you see fit is barbaric, insulting, and ludicrous. How you can live your life that way and not feel your soul rot I can never possibly hope to understand.

You used to be one of the better members of these forums. What happened?

I didn't say that it was "OK" to bully people, I just said that it happens and if it happens on a constant basis, the person is doing something to bring it on themself.

Bullies will always feel out to see who's the most fun to pick on. If you're smart, you'll adapt and it won't be worth it to pick on you anymore. Some people just don't get it, and the bullies find a permanent "buddy" to bully around. The bully is wrong, but he's just doing what he does. It's up to the person to adapt.

Life is full of challenges. One can either adapt and overcome, or they can sit there are feel sorry for themselves.

Or they can brood and return the favor on an unimaginable scale like Cho did.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Queasy
Kids pick on kids. News at 11.

Not to the same degree, and not all kids have mental illnesses.

That's the only difference though. Cho had mental illness issues that were left unaddressed through the years. Other than that the way he was bullied was nothing out of the ordinary. I've seen and was the blunt of such bullying myself. Neither I or any of the kids I know that got bullied went on murderous rampages.

All wives who are beaten by their husbands don't shoot their husbands. Therefore, beating your wife is okay.

:roll:

 

[yh125d]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Phokus

Looks like we have another internet tough guy here:

http://fuzzyslogic.com/blerk/internet_tough_guy_mag.jpg

I honestly don't care what you think about me. The one fight that someone started with me, i beat the kid up. You're the one who is lusting after coming after me and beating me up so you're the one with emotional problems, not me.

And you're still a moron.

Hahaha, and you wonder why you were picked on. I see that during the course of this conversation, your childhood ordeal of being bullied has been reduced to 1 fight someone started with you, and you kicked his ass. Good job, killer.

Instead of posting pictures of someone who isn't me, why don't you post a picture of yourself? I've already posted pictures of myself. I have no need to hide behind an avatar or anonymously act like a tough guy to compensate for a lack of real world social skills.

you can't seriously say that its their own fault they get bullied because they're a pansy/bring it upon themself

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Does your head ever explode because of irony?

I've only dealt with you on a forum. But your attitude seems so poor and cowardly that I can honestly say that I'd get satisfaction by roughing you up a bit.

No, that much is true. As I said before, I'm neither a bully nor an angel. I don't get kicks by picking on random people, but I can get annoyed by someone to the point of roughing them up.

I've had a bit of experience with you on the forum, and there's not a doubt in my mind that you got your ass kicked repeatedly as a kid. I was not one of those people who did that to you. They were free thinking people who came to that conclusion on their own, and I can't say that they had the wrong idea.

 

[50cent1228]

thats life get over it.... everyone gets teased....he was just too weak to get over it

 

[CptObvious]

I can relate to being bullied and being singled out for my race, being called racial epithets, etc. I grew up in a pretty crappy town and there were like 2 other Asians at my school. It sucks, but there's no excuse for killing innocent people no matter what happened to you.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Queasy
Kids pick on kids. News at 11.

Not to the same degree, and not all kids have mental illnesses.

That's the only difference though. Cho had mental illness issues that were left unaddressed through the years. Other than that the way he was bullied was nothing out of the ordinary. I've seen and was the blunt of such bullying myself. Neither I or any of the kids I know that got bullied went on murderous rampages.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Damn @ the nesting above!

And I don't give a crap if the guy was bullied in school. No excuse for what he did.

Then you probably don't care that bullying will most likely cause the next snap to occur at which point you can tell us that you still don't care about bullying. Fact of the matter is there's enough bullying occurring in schools that sooner or later you will find that one person who just isn't as stable as the rest or the person that can't handle the emotional degradation and they will snap. If caught early, they can hopefully be treated but if left untreated, you will always get these situations. It's not like this is the first time for someone to snap nor was Columbine.

I still don't give a crap that he was bullied.

 

[MrCodeDude]

I don't think anyone is going to defend the act of bullying, but I think it's just a fact of life. There always have been bullies and there will always be bullies.

I'm sure everyone has been bullied or ridiculed at some time in their life and most are seemingly doing fine.

Anyone trying to defend the actions of Klebold, Harris and Cho by using bullying, video-games, media, etc. as scapegoats should be examined. They were all inferior human beings and the world is better off without them.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: jupiter57

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TehMac
Being bullied is no excuse for shooting. I've been bullied a ton, "its all light hearted fun" they said, but its grating. It is not enough to shoot innocents.

Nobody said it was, but this kid had serious mental health issues and it's not being addressed in schools. Teachers and administrators turn a blind eye.

PSA: Being spoiled and having a lack of discipline ARE NOT mental health issues.

ABC did an interview with a professional psychiatrist and he said cho was most likely schizophrenic

Did the psychiatrist actually have direct contact with Cho at any point before making this judgment?

Not that I doubt Cho may have been schizophrenic, but if there was no contact, then take the psychiatrist's words with a grain of salt. Diagnosing, or suggesting a diagnosis, without "laying hands" on the client is, in many instances, tantamount to malpractice.

Well, there seems to be a lot of evidence about his mental health based on his writings and his interactions with people:

the guy is a forensic psychiatrist who deals with mass killers:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/VATech/story?id=3050483&page=1

What then leads you to believe Cho had schizophrenia?

How he related to his roommate was just too bizarre to be depression. The bizarre content of his plays ? mashing a half-eaten "banana bar" in someone's mouth, the hypersexual, nihilistic (death obsessed) obsessions in the absence of depressive guilt or tearfulness are another clue. The progressive decline of a period of years. Those with schizophrenia, especially in their earliest years, are not readily recognizable as such ? their condition is evolving. But here was someone who, as early as 2005, was carrying himself so strangely that he was a spectacle. The depressed withdraw and disappear. Those who are so peculiar in their manner so as to be inappropriate (taking cell phone pictures of his teacher, speaking inaudibly, pulling a cap low over his eyes) exhibit signs and symptoms more indicative of schizophrenia. He was communicating in a rambling manner reflective of what we appreciate as autistic thinking ? characteristic of schizophrenia. In a similar vein, Mr. Cho's stilted communication in his homicide note (deceitful charlatans ? not the language of a 23-year-old college kid) is also the manner of a schizophrenic's communications, as is his pronounced delay in responding to questions.

 

[lupi]

woot another thread on this!

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: yh125d

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Phokus

Looks like we have another internet tough guy here:

http://fuzzyslogic.com/blerk/internet_tough_guy_mag.jpg

I honestly don't care what you think about me. The one fight that someone started with me, i beat the kid up. You're the one who is lusting after coming after me and beating me up so you're the one with emotional problems, not me.

And you're still a moron.

Hahaha, and you wonder why you were picked on. I see that during the course of this conversation, your childhood ordeal of being bullied has been reduced to 1 fight someone started with you, and you kicked his ass. Good job, killer.

Instead of posting pictures of someone who isn't me, why don't you post a picture of yourself? I've already posted pictures of myself. I have no need to hide behind an avatar or anonymously act like a tough guy to compensate for a lack of real world social skills.

you can't seriously say that its their own fault they get bullied because they're a pansy/bring it upon themself

Yes, I can.

Have you ever known someone who constantly complains about their condition yet does nothing to improve it? If someone finds himself with a serious problem getting bullied, then he's doing something wrong. When I hear stories about families who keep moving their sons to different schools, only to have them get bullied there, too, I can't help but think that the kid is bringing it upon himself.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Phokus
I was picked on and felt out of place at times in high school and now that i think of it, i wasn't picked on THAT badly but feelings of anger and loneliness was probably disproportionate to the bullying i was receiving.

I can tell by your demeanor on the forum.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Phokus

Does your head ever explode because of irony?

I've only dealt with you on a forum. But your attitude seems so poor and cowardly that I can honestly say that I'd get satisfaction by roughing you up a bit.

No, that much is true. As I said before, I'm neither a bully nor an angel. I don't get kicks by picking on random people, but I can get annoyed by someone to the point of roughing them up.

I've had a bit of experience with you on the forum, and there's not a doubt in my mind that you got your ass kicked repeatedly. I was not one of those people. They were free thinking people who came to that conclusion on their own, and I can't say that they had the wrong idea.

I didn't get my ass kicked repeatedly, dumbass, the one fight i got into, i gave the kid a black eye and he never even scratched me. I had to endure taunting which maybe i wasn't so great at dealing with, but that was a long time ago. Also, calling you an 'idiot' and 'moron' repeatedly is not me having an anger issue, it's telling it like it is. Just look above and see all the people calling you out on you blaming your friend for getting beat up. YOU. ARE. A. MORON. <--- get this through your thick skull.