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[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Queasy
Kids pick on kids. News at 11.

Not to the same degree, and not all kids have mental illnesses.

That's the only difference though. Cho had mental illness issues that were left unaddressed through the years. Other than that the way he was bullied was nothing out of the ordinary. I've seen and was the blunt of such bullying myself. Neither I or any of the kids I know that got bullied went on murderous rampages.

It looks like neither the bullying or the mental illness was addressed... actually his parents did request for him to be sent to a mental hospital because they were afraid he was suicidal though. People accept bullying in school like it's something you just go through. It shouldn't be that way.

I agree. But its also something kids have to deal with while growing up because they aren't going to get bullied by other kids just in school.

After high school, i was never really bullied. High school is completely different and really f***ed up for a lot of people.

I wasn't talking about after high school. I was talking about outside of school hours while of school age.

 

[skywhr]

HE WAS A L**D HIS MOTHER SHOULD HAVE SWALLOWED

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Isn't that the viewpoint of the bully speaking? One is so annoying that he's just asking to be bullied?

I was a normal kid growing up. I'm not going to lie and say that I was the toughest kid on the playground, and I'm not going to say that I was some angel who never beat anyone up.

There were kids who tried to pick on me, and I've picked on people. But when people did pick on me, I dealt with them violently, so it was never a frequent occurrence. And I wasn't a bully, but occasionally there'd be some really annoying kid around that I'd have to kick out. Since I wasn't a bully, if some kid was so annoying that I ended up beating him up, I'm sure that he'd already been whipped by just about every kid more aggressive than I was.

I have nothing to hide. I've posted pictures of myself as an adult and from when I was a kid. You can see what I looked like and can tell that I was neither a fat, oafy kid nor a tough bully.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: ViRGE
I really don't have words for this. The idea that it's okay to assault people as you see fit is barbaric, insulting, and ludicrous. How you can live your life that way and not feel your soul rot I can never possibly hope to understand.

You used to be one of the better members of these forums. What happened?

I didn't say that it was "OK" to bully people, I just said that it happens and if it happens on a constant basis, the person is doing something to bring it on themself.

Bullies will always feel out to see who's the most fun to pick on. If you're smart, you'll adapt and it won't be worth it to pick on you anymore. Some people just don't get it, and the bullies find a permanent "buddy" to bully around. The bully is wrong, but he's just doing what he does. It's up to the person to adapt.

Life is full of challenges. One can either adapt and overcome, or they can sit there are feel sorry for themselves.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Phokus


What can you say, he blames his friend for getting beat up. If that's not cool and edgy, i don't know what is :laugh:

It's almost as cool as admitting that you were a pansy who got bullied in real life, and taking out your pent up rage anonymously on internet forums.

Looks like we have another internet tough guy here:

http://fuzzyslogic.com/blerk/internet_tough_guy_mag.jpg

I honestly don't care what you think about me. The one fight that someone started with me, i beat the kid up. You're the one who is lusting after coming after me and beating me up so you're the one with emotional problems, not me.

And you're still a moron.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: skywhr
LISTEN TO ME, EVERYONE IS BULLIED / PICKED ON IN SCHOOL, EXCEPT THOSE DOING THE TORMENTING. I WAS BULLIED AND I DIDNT GO ON A KILLING RAMPAGE!! ITS UNFORTUNATE THAT SOMEONE DIDNT BEAT HIM TO DEATH WITH A F'N HAMMER AND DRAGGED HIS USELESS LIFELESS CORPSE THROUGH THE STREETS.

BUT SOMEHOW DURING THE BULLYING PROCESS YOUR CAPS LOCK KEY GOT BROKEN

 

[SmoochyTX]

Damn @ the nesting above!

And I don't give a crap if the guy was bullied in school. No excuse for what he did.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Phokus

I don't hate you at all. It's just sometimes you post things that are so ridiculously insane (i.e. blaming your friend for being beat up by bullies) that my whole being goes *WTF* that i go off on you (and yes, sometimes i do overreact if i have a stressful day at work). Anyway, i'm going to go back to study, it's really no point in arguing over this anymore. Just at least admit you're wrong in blaming your friend for getting beat up this time... it just doesn't add up on an intellectual or moral level.

Even he admits that if he had to do it again, he'd react differently. He wasn't small, he was in the picture I posted above. At any rate, I'm still friends with him, I'm one of those loyal people who keep friends forever rather than the trendy people who hang out with the popular crowd.

 

[skywhr]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: skywhr
LISTEN TO ME, EVERYONE IS BULLIED / PICKED ON IN SCHOOL, EXCEPT THOSE DOING THE TORMENTING. I WAS BULLIED AND I DIDNT GO ON A KILLING RAMPAGE!! ITS UNFORTUNATE THAT SOMEONE DIDNT BEAT HIM TO DEATH WITH A F'N HAMMER AND DRAGGED HIS USELESS LIFELESS CORPSE THROUGH THE STREETS.

BUT SOMEHOW DURING THE BULLYING PROCESS YOUR CAPS LOCK KEY GOT BROKEN

yep

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: jupiter57

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TehMac
Being bullied is no excuse for shooting. I've been bullied a ton, "its all light hearted fun" they said, but its grating. It is not enough to shoot innocents.

Nobody said it was, but this kid had serious mental health issues and it's not being addressed in schools. Teachers and administrators turn a blind eye.

PSA: Being spoiled and having a lack of discipline ARE NOT mental health issues.

ABC did an interview with a professional psychiatrist and he said cho was most likely schizophrenic

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
I disagree. Parenting, yes, has a part to play. But ever hear of "crazy?" Some people are just crazy. Yes, it's up to the school /his parents/ society to find the signs but to blame his actions on societal aspect A (videogames!) B (rock music!) or C (bullies!) forgets that some people are just ****** crazy.

Dude, stop stereotyping crazy people. Not all of them are homicidal.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: Phokus

Because teachers don't do sh*t when bullying happens. I was taunted on a bus once by half the bus and the teacher was right there and he didn't give a rat's ass. Teachers simply don't give a sh*t. And what happens when you report bullying to the teachers? Not only do they not give a sh*t, but the bullying escalates.

sweeping generalization FTL.

I agree with 91TZ or whatever his name is, people get bullied for their actions. We all bully someone, and he everyone else bullies me back. Its mob mentality, but when you're bullying, you usually have a reason other than trauma for doing it. I realize my problems, but I don't feel like amending them completely, partially because I feel I wouldn't have any fun. (I'm the cheerful and talkative kid, who always gets picked on, because people want to see if they can break him).
I've never cried since the 2nd grade. Not because of school anyway. Thats a damned long time.

"Sweeping generalization FTL" followed by statements of "we all" this and that. Fascinating how you can do that without even seeing it.

Some people don't know how to deal with bullying. The very concept is alien. I couldn't really do anything back; I was slow to come up with the right words. The key to that game is quick wit; without it, you just dig yourself in deeper, so it's better to say nothing at all.

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Bullies will always feel out to see who's the most fun to pick on. If you're smart, you'll adapt and it won't be worth it to pick on you anymore. Some people just don't get it, and the bullies find a permanent "buddy" to bully around. The bully is wrong, but he's just doing what he does. It's up to the person to adapt.

Indeed. Why bother having law enforcement either? Criminals will always do what they do. It's up to us to adapt. If you get mugged, or someone robs your car, oh well, your fault. Should that happen, I'll expect you to not file a police report or make an insurance claim. You should have adapted.

 

[Phokus]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting_285

Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, and Cho Seung-Hui.

It's not a gun control debate or a video game debate, it's a bullying and mental health debate. I was picked on and felt out of place at times in high school and now that i think of it, i wasn't picked on THAT badly but feelings of anger and loneliness was probably disproportionate to the bullying i was receiving. If i was a paranoid schizo like Cho probably was, I could see myself snapping and acting out violently myself.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Looks like we have another internet tough guy here:

http://fuzzyslogic.com/blerk/internet_tough_guy_mag.jpg

I honestly don't care what you think about me. The one fight that someone started with me, i beat the kid up. You're the one who is lusting after coming after me and beating me up so you're the one with emotional problems, not me.

And you're still a moron.

Hahaha, and you wonder why you were picked on. I see that during the course of this conversation, your childhood ordeal of being bullied has been reduced to 1 fight someone started with you, and you kicked his ass. Good job, killer.

Instead of posting pictures of someone who isn't me, why don't you post a picture of yourself? I've already posted pictures of myself. I have no need to hide behind an avatar or anonymously act like a tough guy to compensate for a lack of real world social skills.

 

[buck]

I was bullied for a short time in school..... I know alot of people who were.

 

[Queasy]

Kids pick on kids. News at 11.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Isn't that the viewpoint of the bully speaking? One is so annoying that he's just asking to be bullied?

I was a normal kid growing up. I'm not going to lie and say that I was the toughest kid on the playground, and I'm not going to say that I was some angel who never beat anyone up.

There were kids who tried to pick on me, and I've picked on people. But when people did pick on me, I dealt with them violently, so it was never a frequent occurrence. And I wasn't a bully, but occasionally there'd be some really annoying kid around that I'd have to kick out. Since I wasn't a bully, if some kid was so annoying that I ended up beating him up, I'm sure that he'd already been whipped by just about every kid more aggressive than I was.

I have nothing to hide. I've posted pictures of myself as an adult and from when I was a kid. You can see what I looked like and can tell that I was neither a fat, oafy kid nor a tough bully.

Hey, I won't lie, I did my fair share of bullying but most of the time it was to my friends. I guess it wasn't so much bullying as teasing. Strangely enough, I've never been in a fist fight. Guess it has to do with my size and demeanor.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Queasy
Kids pick on kids. News at 11.

Not to the same degree, and not all kids have mental illnesses.

That's the only difference though. Cho had mental illness issues that were left unaddressed through the years. Other than that the way he was bullied was nothing out of the ordinary. I've seen and was the blunt of such bullying myself. Neither I or any of the kids I know that got bullied went on murderous rampages.

All wives who are beaten by their husbands don't shoot their husbands. Therefore, beating your wife is okay.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Damn @ the nesting above!

And I don't give a crap if the guy was bullied in school. No excuse for what he did.

Then you probably don't care that bullying will most likely cause the next snap to occur at which point you can tell us that you still don't care about bullying. Fact of the matter is there's enough bullying occurring in schools that sooner or later you will find that one person who just isn't as stable as the rest or the person that can't handle the emotional degradation and they will snap. If caught early, they can hopefully be treated but if left untreated, you will always get these situations. It's not like this is the first time for someone to snap nor was Columbine.

 

[TehMac]

Being bullied is no excuse for shooting. I've been bullied a ton, "its all light hearted fun" they said, but its grating. It is not enough to shoot innocents.

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Kids pick on kids. News at 11.

Kids have feelings. News at 11.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: jupiter57

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TehMac
Being bullied is no excuse for shooting. I've been bullied a ton, "its all light hearted fun" they said, but its grating. It is not enough to shoot innocents.

Nobody said it was, but this kid had serious mental health issues and it's not being addressed in schools. Teachers and administrators turn a blind eye.

PSA: Being spoiled and having a lack of discipline ARE NOT mental health issues.

ABC did an interview with a professional psychiatrist and he said cho was most likely schizophrenic

Did the psychiatrist actually have direct contact with Cho at any point before making this judgment?

Not that I doubt Cho may have been schizophrenic, but if there was no contact, then take the psychiatrist's words with a grain of salt. Diagnosing, or suggesting a diagnosis, without "laying hands" on the client is, in many instances, tantamount to malpractice.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Kids pick on kids. News at 11.

Not to the same degree, and not all kids have mental illnesses.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Phokus

Looks like we have another internet tough guy here:

http://fuzzyslogic.com/blerk/internet_tough_guy_mag.jpg

I honestly don't care what you think about me. The one fight that someone started with me, i beat the kid up. You're the one who is lusting after coming after me and beating me up so you're the one with emotional problems, not me.

And you're still a moron.

Hahaha, and you wonder why you were picked on. I see that during the course of this conversation, your childhood ordeal of being bullied has been reduced to 1 fight someone started with you, and you kicked his ass. Good job, killer.

Instead of posting pictures of someone who isn't me, why don't you post a picture of yourself? I've already posted pictures of myself. I have no need to hide behind an avatar or anonymously act like a tough guy to compensate for a lack of real world social skills.

Does your head ever explode because of irony?

I've only dealt with you on a forum. But your attitude seems so poor and cowardly that I can honestly say that I'd get satisfaction by roughing you up a bit.

 

[StormRider]

My feeling was that what bothered Cho wasn't really the bullying and teasing but rather the lack of inclusion. He felt like an outcast. He felt excluded. He had no friends. I haven't heard of any concrete examples of this bullying that would be considered out of the ordinary. Did he constantly get the crap beat out of him or something in middle school?

I think every kid has been teased or felt like they were excluded at some point in their lives. Cho's problem was a mental illness that didn't allow him to cope with something an ordinary person would be able to move on.

As for me? I was an overweight Chinese kid up to around high school (I lost a lot of weight around my junior year). I've heard my share of "ching-chong china man" in my youth. I've had kids make squinty eyes and puffed out cheeks at me. In middle school I dreaded riding the bus because there was one guy who tormented me. One time when I was sitting next to my friend on the bus, he came up behind us and clunked our heads together. He kept calling me this certain nick-name because of my looks. I was never invited to any social gatherings during junior high and high school. In terms of girls, I've never dated and I'm now 43 years old.

Do I hate people? No. I actually like people (but I don't feel comfortable around them if that makes any sense). I don't even hate the guy who tormented me in middle school. The bullying faded away and at the end I kind of felt like he actually started to respect me. I realize that this teasing and bullying is caused by immaturity and most people grow out of it.

Looking back through the years in college and even now I realized that I'm the one responsible for my lack of social life. I'm the one who declined several social invitations. I'm the one who says "hi" to my neighbors but quickly dart inside my house to avoid a longer conversation.

From what I've read of Cho, he is the one who doesn't respond to people but he instead chooses to blame others for his problems. We're the ones responsible for all this. We forced him to kill.

But what can be done about this? Do we force all kids to include every kid in their activities so no kid's feelings will be hurt? Are we supposed to invite the strange moody silent kid over to watch Spiderman 3 at the theaters with our other friends?