Originally posted by: skywhr
LISTEN TO ME, EVERYONE IS BULLIED / PICKED ON IN SCHOOL, EXCEPT THOSE DOING THE TORMENTING. I WAS BULLIED AND I DIDNT GO ON A KILLING RAMPAGE!! ITS UNFORTUNATE THAT SOMEONE DIDNT BEAT HIM TO DEATH WITH A F'N HAMMER AND DRAG HIS USELESS LIFELESS CORPSE THROUGH THE STREETS.
Not when I'm around. I love bullies :evil:
There isn't much you can do unarmed and backed against a wall.
You can rush him and take him down with 30 vs 1 no problem....
BUT, and a big BUT: someone is going to take the first, then the second, and third, fourth, and maybe fifth bullet before that happens. It's a case of "I'll go when everyone else goes", but nobody wants to take those first few shots. On the other hand, it's preferable to getting shot in the back of the head 3 times because you are on your hands and knees hiding under a desk praying. Someone like myself could do it, it would be an instantaneous automatic reflex even. But I'd probably end up by myself and an easy target unless I wasn't in the first room and heard the gun fire ahead of time and kicked myself into gear. Your typical students this age only care about the next exam, who is going to win the next football game, etc. Nobody ever so much as runs a 'what if' in their mind because they can't fathom it happening to them. Campus is a gun free zone after all, and there are police walking around.
Even if someone was conceal carrying, by very nature of being the criminal and having initiative, some people are already going to be hit before you can counter, no matter how good you are, even if you are paranoid and waiting for it.
Just a fact of life. The bad guy will always have the advantage of knowing whats about to happen before anyone else does.
I would like to see some kind of mandatory basic self defense course for high risk soft target places like schools. Not martial arts or anything skill dependent or involved, just basic "what if" kind of stuff, awareness, basic improvised combat tactics, using your surroundings as cover and as a weapon, basic introduction to basic weapons, if not to only at least KNOW what a gun sounds like when you here "strange unfamiliar banging noises" down the hall, know what is acceptable cover, and god forbid, know what it is like to hit somebody and how much force is involved, etc. Why not? Did we not have cold war drills and fire drills? I don't expect a 21 year old to be a battle hardened special forces operative in 4 weeks, but some practiced reflexive measure of "ok, I've done this before" would go a long way to handling these situations, armed or otherwise. Armed would be preferable of course. Why not a .45 in a locked tamper proof case right next to the fire extinguisher with controlled access?
Simply locking the door won't help if the assailant's assault originates in the middle of a classroom lecture as he's sitting in the back corner with a hand in his coat, a watchful eye on his 30 victims, and the second hand of the clock ticking down the seconds.
This is getting ridiculous. I'm tired of seeing innocent people slaughtered because people refuse to believe that violent force is the only effective answer to violent force. "violence only begets more violence" - damn right it does, thats what makes violence unattractive for the initiator in the first place. Bringing the fight to your assailant will certainly not decrease you chances if that muzzle is already headed your way. Even when there are bullets involved, panic is the #1 killer. Exposure and getting the ****** scared out of you helps alleviate that factor.
Flowers and praying don't cut it.
You know... I would support the law enforcement community helping with this by setting up a program and randomly barging into classrooms with fake guns and psychopath attire just to scare the living ****** out of students and allowing them to experience it and learn what their reaction is (provided we could ensure the safety of the officers from people secretly carrying).
A inconvenience yes, just be lucky thats it for now, and you can enjoy a latte at Starbucks without worrying if that truck outside is going to take out half the block.