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moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
61,713
12
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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Anyone seeking sympathy for this killer because he was "bullied" makes me sick. That is not an excuse. He has no excuses.

Yet another worthless post by mosh, what a surprise. Nobody is blaming the bullies for pulling the trigger, we're trying to understand the cause of this. I guess we should just not analyze anything and be as ignorant as you are.
Phokus is picking on me. Someone on an internet bulletin board is bullying me. Now I have an excuse to do anything.

If that sounds ridiculous then I just proved a point with my "worthless post".
 

Phokus

Lifer
Nov 20, 1999
22,995
776
126
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Anyone seeking sympathy for this killer because he was "bullied" makes me sick. That is not an excuse. He has no excuses.

Yet another worthless post by mosh, what a surprise. Nobody is blaming the bullies for pulling the trigger, we're trying to understand the cause of this. I guess we should just not analyze anything and be as ignorant as you are.
Phokus is picking on me. Someone on an internet bulletin board is bullying me. Now I have an excuse to do anything.

If that sounds ridiculous then I just proved a point with my "worthless post".

Wow, you really are this retarded. Calling someone a name over the internet is a 'little' different then being ostracized, racially taunted, and possibly even physically assaulted in high school, especially if you're going through adolescence and you possibly have a mental illness like schizophrenia. I'd say, 'don't be stupid', but this is you we're talking about.
 

Soybomb

Diamond Member
Jun 30, 2000
9,505
1
0
Originally posted by: randalee
He certainly didn't buy the cheap ones! The Gold Dots are nearly $1.00 PER ROUND! Sick to see them used in such an evil way.

Gold Dots

I imagine those were likely the ones he used in the crime. I also imagine they are the 124-grain +P rounds. Nearly 1200 FPS. Those penetrate nearly 13" in gelatin and expand to over .60 caliber.

Why would you say that?
Speer's brass is nickel plated in all the gold dot 9mm loads I've shot, it actually looks like he did use the cheap stuff, winchester white box personal protection hollow points to be specific.

My question was more about the uses for those types of bullets for things other than shooting people.
Isn't shooting people enough? Sometimes people need to be shot...
 

moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
61,713
12
56
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Anyone seeking sympathy for this killer because he was "bullied" makes me sick. That is not an excuse. He has no excuses.

Yet another worthless post by mosh, what a surprise. Nobody is blaming the bullies for pulling the trigger, we're trying to understand the cause of this. I guess we should just not analyze anything and be as ignorant as you are.
Phokus is picking on me. Someone on an internet bulletin board is bullying me. Now I have an excuse to do anything.

If that sounds ridiculous then I just proved a point with my "worthless post".

Wow, you really are this retarded. Calling someone a name over the internet is a 'little' different then being ostracized, racially taunted, and possibly even physically assaulted in high school, especially if you're going through adolescence and you possibly have a mental illness like schizophrenia. I'd say, 'don't be stupid', but this is you we're talking about.
You are such a man e-thugging a female on the internet. I'll bet you bully people in real life too.

 

exdeath

Lifer
Jan 29, 2004
13,679
10
81
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Anyone seeking sympathy for this killer because he was "bullied" makes me sick. That is not an excuse. He has no excuses.

Yet another worthless post by mosh, what a surprise. Nobody is blaming the bullies for pulling the trigger, we're trying to understand the cause of this. I guess we should just not analyze anything and be as ignorant as you are.
Phokus is picking on me. Someone on an internet bulletin board is bullying me. Now I have an excuse to do anything.

If that sounds ridiculous then I just proved a point with my "worthless post".

Wow, you really are this retarded. Calling someone a name over the internet is a 'little' different then being ostracized, racially taunted, and possibly even physically assaulted in high school, especially if you're going through adolescence and you possibly have a mental illness like schizophrenia. I'd say, 'don't be stupid', but this is you we're talking about.
You are such a man e-thugging a female on the internet. I'll bet you bully people in real life too.

Oh please...:roll: Don't hide behind that sympathetic crap. I don't care what you two are even arguing about, but you can 'e-thug' him back just as easily if you must. Not like your keyboard is any less privileged because its being used by female hands.
 

Phokus

Lifer
Nov 20, 1999
22,995
776
126
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Anyone seeking sympathy for this killer because he was "bullied" makes me sick. That is not an excuse. He has no excuses.

Yet another worthless post by mosh, what a surprise. Nobody is blaming the bullies for pulling the trigger, we're trying to understand the cause of this. I guess we should just not analyze anything and be as ignorant as you are.
Phokus is picking on me. Someone on an internet bulletin board is bullying me. Now I have an excuse to do anything.

If that sounds ridiculous then I just proved a point with my "worthless post".

Wow, you really are this retarded. Calling someone a name over the internet is a 'little' different then being ostracized, racially taunted, and possibly even physically assaulted in high school, especially if you're going through adolescence and you possibly have a mental illness like schizophrenia. I'd say, 'don't be stupid', but this is you we're talking about.
You are such a man e-thugging a female on the internet. I'll bet you bully people in real life too.

i don't give a sh*t if you're a girl. The only rule i live by is 'don't hit a girl'. You girls want equal rights? Here it is.
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
16,815
1
76
Originally posted by: pray4mojo
I did a search for this briefly. It didn't come up so here it is. It's a great read especially for atheists wishing to express how they feel about tragedies in general. It cannot be better said.

Text

It would be better if nothing was said.

The person ranting about "where are atheists" is obviously a blithering idiot. For someone to continue to respond is just legitimizing his blithering idiocy. There is no point using reason when the other person is obviously unreasonable.
 

fierydemise

Platinum Member
Apr 16, 2005
2,056
2
81
I'm not an atheist but I still found Dinesh D'Souza's piece that was quoted insulting and the professor's response very well put and very interesting.
 

pray4mojo

Diamond Member
Mar 8, 2003
3,647
0
0
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: pray4mojo
I did a search for this briefly. It didn't come up so here it is. It's a great read especially for atheists wishing to express how they feel about tragedies in general. It cannot be better said.

Text

It would be better if nothing was said.

The person ranting about "where are atheists" is obviously a blithering idiot. For someone to continue to respond is just legitimizing his blithering idiocy. There is no point using reason when the other person is obviously unreasonable.

Aside from his worthless arguments, the professor's response is very moving. It was also amusing to read D'souza get owned. I actually laughed a bit when he said that atheists blame god.


 

pray4mojo

Diamond Member
Mar 8, 2003
3,647
0
0
I did a search for this briefly. It didn't come up so here it is. It's a great read especially for atheists wishing to express how they feel about tragedies in general. It cannot be better said.

Text
 

MmmSkyscraper

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2004
9,475
1
76
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: moshquerade
You are such a man e-thugging a female on the internet. I'll bet you bully people in real life too.

Oh please...:roll: Don't hide behind that sympathetic crap. I don't care what you two are even arguing about, but you can 'e-thug' him back just as easily if you must. Not like your keyboard is any less privileged because its being used by female hands.

exdeath QFT :thumbsup:

That's the second time I've seen mosh pull the "I'm a girl and you're a meanie" card cos she's lost an argument. It's laughable at best, pathetic at worst.
 

StormRider

Diamond Member
Mar 12, 2000
8,324
2
0
Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: moshquerade
You are such a man e-thugging a female on the internet. I'll bet you bully people in real life too.

Oh please...:roll: Don't hide behind that sympathetic crap. I don't care what you two are even arguing about, but you can 'e-thug' him back just as easily if you must. Not like your keyboard is any less privileged because its being used by female hands.

exdeath QFT :thumbsup:

That's the second time I've seen mosh pull the "I'm a girl and you're a meanie" card cos she's lost an argument. It's laughable at best, pathetic at worst.

Who said she lost the argument? What she said is exactly correct.

She said that "anyone seeking sympathy for this killer because he was bullied makes me sick". How can she lose that point? Are you going to argue that it doesn't make her sick?

And she also said, "There is no excuse for his actions. He has no excuses".

This is a statement that I totally agree with. Do you know what an excuse is? It's like, "Sir, I couldn't submit my homework on time because my car broke down and I missed the class." and the professor going, "Okay, that's a valid excuse, I'll accept your late homework".

What's Cho's excuse? "Sir, I was bullied in junior/high school and decided to kill as many innocent people in college as possible. And none of them were the actual bullies and some of them might have even stopped a bully in their past. Heck some of them might have even shown kindness and friendship to the weak and defenseless people that I claim I am being a martyr for -- who knows? I'm just a crazy scumbag!

When I was "bullied" by that guy on the school bus, I did fantasize about fighting him. But I never had any desire to hurt everybody else in the school. Or to hurt everybody in another school. There would be no excuse for something like that.

There's a danger to trying to portray Cho as a victim because similar kids will use him as an example. The same thing happened with the Columbine kids. I do not want to see a copycat killer using Cho as an example of a martyr like Cho used the Columbine kids as his example.

I'm not saying that bullying isn't a problem. No kid should feel threaten in school. But we can't really be sure how bad Cho was bullied. His mental illness probably magnified the events. How much of it was in his head?

Also, I would like to point out that e-bullying is not much different than real life bullying. There was a recent example of a female tech blogger who received so much hateful emails and messages that she canceled going to a conference because she felt unsafe.

Even on ATOT, I'm sure some of you have noticed that there are some people who seem to "follow" you around the forum and try to provoke you. If that type of behavior ruins your enjoyment of this forum then why isn't it any different from real life bullying?

Is it possible to stop bullying? I think we can stop the most egregious ones (the ones that involve physical threats). But this behavior seems universal and goes across all cultures that part of me thinks it (the more milder forms) is necessary for normal emotional growth (like how baby rats play fight to establish a social hierarchy). Another problem is interpretation. Guys goof on each other all the time. My brothers and I goof with each other. Being able to goof on someone is a sign of closeness.

However, sometimes when someone tries to playfully tease someone else that "playful tease" might be misinterpreted as ridicule.
 

MmmSkyscraper

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2004
9,475
1
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Originally posted by: StormRider
Who said she lost the argument? What she said is exactly correct.

She didn't come back with anything other than that e-thug BS. GG :thumbsdown:

AFAICT, you couldn't have expected this guy to act rationally in response to anything given his apparent state of mind. I don't think anyone's ever going to determine exactly what happened or what was going on his head (apart from the obligatory "technical difficulties" music).

 

Rudee

Lifer
Apr 23, 2000
11,218
2
76
I wonder where the rumor that he was looking for his girlfriend while he was doing the shooting came from. Apparently, that's B.S as he didn't have a girlfriend at all.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
31,822
10,361
136
Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
Originally posted by: StormRider
Who said she lost the argument? What she said is exactly correct.

She didn't come back with anything other than that e-thug BS. GG :thumbsdown:

AFAICT, you couldn't have expected this guy to act rationally in response to anything given his apparent state of mind. I don't think anyone's ever going to determine exactly what happened or what was going on his head (apart from the obligatory "technical difficulties" music).

i was essentially bullied for for 2 hours a day, 6 days a week, for 3 months (was on a HS soccer team with a lot of fvcktards). i came THIS close to going ape$hit on them, but i didn't. getting bullied doesn't give you an excuse to go kill/hurt people. if anything, it shows that you lack the willpower to control your emotions and your actions.
 

MmmSkyscraper

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2004
9,475
1
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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
getting bullied doesn't give you an excuse to go kill/hurt people. if anything, it shows that you lack the willpower to control your emotions and your actions.

I think rationality and willpower went out of the window a long time ago in his case. Whatever was going on upstairs, it was FUBAR.
 

mlm

Senior member
Feb 19, 2006
933
0
0
Originally posted by: Rudee
I wonder where the rumor that he was looking for his girlfriend while he was doing the shooting came from. Apparently, that's B.S as he didn't have a girlfriend at all.

Probably because that's the lead the cops were following before the second shooting took place.
 

pontifex

Lifer
Dec 5, 2000
43,806
46
91
news this morning on the radio reported that the VT shooter either fired or fired over 170 shots.
 
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