WTF!!!!!! - Virginia Tech

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX
All this talk about putting guns in the hand of law abiding citizens is crazy. Sure it MIGHT make people think twice about shooting someone, but it will also make the escalation of situations much more common place. Bottom-line, right now I feel relatively comfortable and confident when I go out that the vast majority of the people do not carry guns and are of no threat to me. If I knew that carrying guns were legal it would make me far less comfortable and trusting of people. The current times is nothing like generations ago. The kids then and the kids now are very much different. There are far more dysfunctional house holds, all of a sudden there are more syndromes and disorders, more drugs, etc. I don't know how to explain it...but I just plain don't trust the people from my generation on with anything.

Knives are equally deadly and perfectly legal. Most shooting occur within a ten foot distance from the target well with in range for a face to face knife attack. You should probably not leave your house anymore just to be safe.

Well by your logic then; Pens, forks, spoons, etc. are legal and can be lethal. So I should be afraid of that too. I know what you are trying to say but the level of lethality and possibility for mass casualty between a knife and gun are too disparate to try to compare the two.

Mass casualty? what if he set off a couple pipe bombs in the cafe? Ban home depot? Your fear of guns is irrational.

You are dense. IT IS NOT AN IRRATIONAL FEAR OF A GUN. IT IS THE FEAR TOWARDS THE PEOPLE WHO CAN POTENTIALLY WIELD IT.

move to the woods away from all people then. Nothing we do here will provide a large enough illusion of saftey to satisfy you.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX
You are dense. IT IS NOT AN IRRATIONAL FEAR OF A GUN. IT IS THE FEAR TOWARDS THE PEOPLE WHO CAN POTENTIALLY WIELD IT.

you are also dense.

banning guns will not do anything but hurt innocent people. IF this guy did not have a gun he would have used explosives (wich you can get far more easy then guns. but take some time).knives etc.

the guy was nuts. banning anything would not have mattered. people would have still died.

 

[Warthog912]

So sad.

 

[XxPrOdiGyxX]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: supafly

Originally posted by: amddude
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658

Gun bill gets shot down by panel

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Jesus...

It's easy to see irony after the fact. However, I think many people would have agreed with her comments at the time.

As a gun owner, I have never agreed with banning guns from law abidding citizens... there are a lot of people like me.. there are even a few in Virginia... How many of these students could have been saved if the students were armed themselve? Who knows?


http://www.vcdl.org/
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?P...5Carchive%5C200209%5CNAT20020917a.html

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. The average person is so impulsive and stupid that you can't even trust them to drive a car....and you are saying let them carry guns? Regardless if they are in college or not...they are still basically kids. They have just entered the start of their adulthood. You don't think that at the start of any problem that shootings won't happen over trivial stuff? I would think it would. For example, if both students knew the other was carrying a gun and some kind of argument or fight breaks out; how long do you think it would take before guns are drawn in "self-defense"?

This isn't the wild west - people who actively go out to get CC permits aren't gun toting psychos who's going to pull a gun for a trivial matter. People like that ONLY pull out the gun in a LIFE threatening situation.

If we make it legal to carry conceal weapons then there will be a lot of people who will go and get it. Because if you know a bunch of people have it then you will want one to "protect" yourself. Look at the way countries are trying to develop nuclear technologies to keep up and "protect" themselves from countries that already have it. Anyone with a clean record and patience can get a license...that doesn't mean that those people won't ever kill anyone with that power. They can either flip out because their wife/husband cheated on them. They can accidentally jump to conclusions and mistakenly shoot someone over a misunderstanding because they thought the other guy had a gun and was putting them in danger. STUPID PEOPLE WILL GET THEIR HANDS ON THE GUN...GUARANTEED. Why make it legal to carry them and force other people to feel they have to get one to protect themselves?

Im concluding your half retarded. It is legal to carry. It has been since the birth of this country. People that want guns can buy them legally or illegally and they do. Are you like 12?

I'm sorry in that respect I am wrong. I am talking about concealed weapons and automatic weapons. But in earlier posts people were talking about the banning of gun carrying on the VT campus. So that is what i was referring to.,

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Doboji
Can you people stfu about guns or no guns...

FACT: Guns Exist...

FACT: It is possible to get items, even if they are illegal

FACT: It is possible to get Guns even in places where they are illegal

FACT: Simply outlawing guns doesnt stop things like today from happening...

Now with that out of the way...

Is anyone at VT who can provide more details as to whats going on? I have a cousin there who teaches in the Engineering dept.... and she's not answering her cell... which has me a tad bit worried...

her name : Dr. Leigh Mccue...

does anyone know anything?

Hope She is alright!!!

 

[MoobyTheGoldenCalf]

Wow, MSNBC just said the guy may have chained the doors of building closed after he went in to prevent people from getting out.

 

[XxPrOdiGyxX]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX
You are dense. IT IS NOT AN IRRATIONAL FEAR OF A GUN. IT IS THE FEAR TOWARDS THE PEOPLE WHO CAN POTENTIALLY WIELD IT.

you are also dense.

banning guns will not do anything but hurt innocent people. IF this guy did not have a gun he would have used explosives (wich you can get far more easy then guns. but take some time).knives etc.

the guy was nuts. banning anything would not have mattered. people would have still died.

Allowing guns on the school campus would have also done nothing. Just more panic stricken students shooting at anything they feel is threatening.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
God I love how we get quicker news at AT than on CNN.

CNN, unlike ATOT and faux, likes to verfiy the story before they post random comments information.

I meant how we have students from VT posting here.

And how some of them have been wrong. Like someone saying there are 2 shooters then later CNN says they do that as SOP, not because there are 2 shooters.

 

[Rudee]

Is it confirmed the shooter used a handgun? You would think you would need an assault rifle or shotgun to have that many fatalities. Either the shooter is a marksmen with a handgun or he had many many reloads.

 

[XxPrOdiGyxX]

Whatever...this issue will never have an answer. Stuff like this won't be helped by restricting guns or by adding more guns to the solution. I'll drop the issue and just say that people just need to parent better.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Reposting my message from about 20 different sites:

You don?t have to agree with me, but at least give it some honest consideration. This is my default stance on pretty much everything, even things that are a matter of life and death.

On my birthday this year more than twenty people were killed and an equal amount wounded in a college shooting at Virginia Tech. This was hardly an isolated occurrence. As you can see on this website (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html) there have been at least fifty such shootings in the last ten years alone. Brief research online will give you just about twice that many.

There is no question that violence, especially gun violence, is a serious issue with deep social roots. Solving it completely (if it?s even possible) will take decades and be extremely difficult. In the meantime, people are dying. It?s very possible that you will be next?or me. I, for one, would rather not.

Of all the school shootings that began, to my knowledge none ended without the intervention of a gun ? either the shooter taking his own life, a police officer threatening or actually shooting the suspect, or by a bystander who was also armed. We can talk all day about how to prevent the violence, but once it begins violence ends when violence stops it. Always. This is really just an extension of basic physical law (inertia) ? a body in motion stays in motion until acted upon by another force.

I started taking martial arts as a kid. Even when I wasn?t taking lessons at a school I kept studying. I started target shooting for fun before high school. I spent two years in the military. While there I was awarded expert marksman ribbons for both pistol and rifle. After the military I became active in other martial skills groups and entered security as a career field. I obtained my concealed weapon permit, as well as a self defense instructor certification. I have more hours in combat training than most Americans have hours of television watching. I have completed private, military, and law enforcement training sessions. Put quite simply, I?m one of the most capable people you are ever likely to meet?far better trained and more skilled than even professional law enforcement officers.

With all of that, I can?t possibly save even myself, never mind you or one of our friends or loved ones, should a school shooting take place around me. Why? Because I?m not allowed to carry my sidearm at school. There is no guarantee that just having my firearm with me will allow me to successfully stop a school shooting. I can guarantee you, however, that without my gun there is absolutely no chance that I could do so. With a gun I could at the very least mount a good defense for any classroom I was in (as a student or a teacher). Without one the only thing I could do is line your children and friends up to be executed, and if I somehow survived tell you later how terrified we all were knowing that none of us could do a damn thing to save ourselves - all because of an ignorant and ineffective law.

I am spending this morning writing to all my elected officials, as well as copying all school districts and college/universities, asking them to quit forcing us to be victims. I?m not asking that untrained people be given guns, I merely want those of us with expert abilities to be allowed to use them to keep innocent people (and ourselves) alive. I already am allowed to carry my gun almost everywhere. There is no logical reason to prevent me (or people like me) from carrying at a school where there is obviously so much danger of a shooting occurring.

I won?t spend a lot of time here going into all the anti-gun control issues. If you have questions or concerns about my stance, feel free to message me and I can address them completely. If you really know a lot about the subject and are on the opposing side I invite you to attempt an open debate on it with me. If you are swayed by what I say I urge you to join me in writing your representatives and the school administrations to request changes. The life you save could be your own.

You don?t have to agree with me, but at least give it some honest consideration.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX
You are dense. IT IS NOT AN IRRATIONAL FEAR OF A GUN. IT IS THE FEAR TOWARDS THE PEOPLE WHO CAN POTENTIALLY WIELD IT.

you are also dense.

banning guns will not do anything but hurt innocent people. IF this guy did not have a gun he would have used explosives (wich you can get far more easy then guns. but take some time).knives etc.

the guy was nuts. banning anything would not have mattered. people would have still died.

I would like to point out that school shootings do not happen in this country, where guns are tightly restricted to hunting and pest control.

Do they use explosives instead as you suggest? No they don't. These things just do not happen. Why is that do you think?

 

[moshquerade]

that was one sick sick sick mofo. :|

and besides that i am going to reserve comments until all the facts come out.

 

[iskim86]

Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf
Wow, MSNBC just said the guy may have chained the doors of building closed after he went in to prevent people from getting out.

helloooooo, hollywood.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Rudee
Is it confirmed the shooter used a handgun? You would think you would need an assault rifle or shotgun to have that many fatalities. Either the shooter is a marksmen with a handgun or he had many many reloads.

Allegedly there were 2 handguns used and his vest was the type that holds multiple clips.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Rudee
Is it confirmed the shooter used a handgun? You would think you would need an assault rifle or shotgun to have that many fatalities. Either the shooter is a marksmen with a handgun or he had many many reloads.

Two 9mms. He was also reportedly wearing a vest loaded with magazines.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

I have lived in many other countries before moving to the US. I have lived places that had strict gun control and little crime and I have lived in places that had more guns then America and still had little crime.

The difference? America because of it's history and culture has had an element of violence much more so than other places I have lived.

You can take away the guns, knifes, and other pointy objects, but that capacity for violence still exists.

Blaming it on just guns is a form of intellectual surrender.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Rudee
Is it confirmed the shooter used a handgun? You would think you would need an assault rifle or shotgun to have that many fatalities. Either the shooter is a marksmen with a handgun or he had many many reloads.

umm...
no wonder people are so afraid of guns, they have no clue about them

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Rudee
Is it confirmed the shooter used a handgun? You would think you would need an assault rifle or shotgun to have that many fatalities. Either the shooter is a marksmen with a handgun or he had many many reloads.

i dont think it is that hard to shoot someone who is lined up (as some have claimed) also it would not have been hard to carry a few extra clips or such.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Reposting my message from about 20 different sites:

You don?t have to agree with me, but at least give it some honest consideration. This is my default stance on pretty much everything, even things that are a matter of life and death.

On my birthday this year more than twenty people were killed and an equal amount wounded in a college shooting at Virginia Tech. This was hardly an isolated occurrence. As you can see on this website (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html) there have been at least fifty such shootings in the last ten years alone. Brief research online will give you just about twice that many.

There is no question that violence, especially gun violence, is a serious issue with deep social roots. Solving it completely (if it?s even possible) will take decades and be extremely difficult. In the meantime, people are dying. It?s very possible that you will be next?or me. I, for one, would rather not.

Of all the school shootings that began, to my knowledge none ended without the intervention of a gun ? either the shooter taking his own life, a police officer threatening or actually shooting the suspect, or by a bystander who was also armed. We can talk all day about how to prevent the violence, but once it begins violence ends when violence stops it. Always. This is really just an extension of basic physical law (inertia) ? a body in motion stays in motion until acted upon by another force.

I started taking martial arts as a kid. Even when I wasn?t taking lessons at a school I kept studying. I started target shooting for fun before high school. I spent two years in the military. While there I was awarded expert marksman ribbons for both pistol and rifle. After the military I became active in other martial skills groups and entered security as a career field. I obtained my concealed weapon permit, as well as a self defense instructor certification. I have more hours in combat training than most Americans have hours of television watching. I have completed private, military, and law enforcement training sessions. Put quite simply, I?m one of the most capable people you are ever likely to meet?far better trained and more skilled than even professional law enforcement officers.

With all of that, I can?t possibly save even myself, never mind you or one of our friends or loved ones, should a school shooting take place around me. Why? Because I?m not allowed to carry my sidearm at school. There is no guarantee that just having my firearm with me will allow me to successfully stop a school shooting. I can guarantee you, however, that without my gun there is absolutely no chance that I could do so. With a gun I could at the very least mount a good defense for any classroom I was in (as a student or a teacher). Without one the only thing I could do is line your children and friends up to be executed, and if I somehow survived tell you later how terrified we all were knowing that none of us could do a damn thing to save ourselves - all because of an ignorant and ineffective law.

I am spending this morning writing to all my elected officials, as well as copying all school districts and college/universities, asking them to quit forcing us to be victims. I?m not asking that untrained people be given guns, I merely want those of us with expert abilities to be allowed to use them to keep innocent people (and ourselves) alive. I already am allowed to carry my gun almost everywhere. There is no logical reason to prevent me (or people like me) from carrying at a school where there is obviously so much danger of a shooting occurring.

I won?t spend a lot of time here going into all the anti-gun control issues. If you have questions or concerns about my stance, feel free to message me and I can address them completely. If you really know a lot about the subject and are on the opposing side I invite you to attempt an open debate on it with me. If you are swayed by what I say I urge you to join me in writing your representatives and the school administrations to request changes. The life you save could be your own.

You don?t have to agree with me, but at least give it some honest consideration.

STOP WITH THE GUN ARGUEMENT CRAP FOR EOTHER SIDE!!!! THIS IS A NEWS THREAD YOU ARE GETTING IN THE WAY

FFS PEOPLE STOP.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf
Wow, MSNBC just said the guy may have chained the doors of building closed after he went in to prevent people from getting out.

I heard that too. :Q :|

 

[XxPrOdiGyxX]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX
All this talk about putting guns in the hand of law abiding citizens is crazy. Sure it MIGHT make people think twice about shooting someone, but it will also make the escalation of situations much more common place. Bottom-line, right now I feel relatively comfortable and confident when I go out that the vast majority of the people do not carry guns and are of no threat to me. If I knew that carrying guns were legal it would make me far less comfortable and trusting of people. The current times is nothing like generations ago. The kids then and the kids now are very much different. There are far more dysfunctional house holds, all of a sudden there are more syndromes and disorders, more drugs, etc. I don't know how to explain it...but I just plain don't trust the people from my generation on with anything.

Knives are equally deadly and perfectly legal. Most shooting occur within a ten foot distance from the target well with in range for a face to face knife attack. You should probably not leave your house anymore just to be safe.

Well by your logic then; Pens, forks, spoons, etc. are legal and can be lethal. So I should be afraid of that too. I know what you are trying to say but the level of lethality and possibility for mass casualty between a knife and gun are too disparate to try to compare the two.

Mass casualty? what if he set off a couple pipe bombs in the cafe? Ban home depot? Your fear of guns is irrational.

You are dense. IT IS NOT AN IRRATIONAL FEAR OF A GUN. IT IS THE FEAR TOWARDS THE PEOPLE WHO CAN POTENTIALLY WIELD IT.

move to the woods away from all people then. Nothing we do here will provide a large enough illusion of saftey to satisfy you.

lol keep hyperbolizing everything I say because that sure proves me wrong.

 

[MoobyTheGoldenCalf]

Originally posted by: Rudee
Is it confirmed the shooter used a handgun? You would think you would need an assault rifle or shotgun to have that many fatalities. Either the shooter is a marksmen with a handgun or he had many many reloads.

Sounds like many, many reloads. MSNBC said they think he had loads of clips strapped to a vest or something he was wearing.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: EKKC

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: TallBill
Sounds like OP was being sarcastic. To bad you cant conceal carry at school. Easy targets for a psycho.

LOL, oh my god, please explain how everyone involved having a weapon in this instance would have resulted in *less* shootings? Seems to me that a bunch of jumpy students with firearms might well have turned the whole thing into a massacre. Or are you suggesting it's ok for more people to get shot as long as one of them is the guy who started it?

he is not saying everybody. all that is needed is for the possiblity that somebody will have a firearm - it is called deterrence and has kept this and the world safe from nuclear wars since the devices were invented, only 1 example (x2 bombs) were needed to show that we don't wnat to use that power on anybody or have it used on us. the same thing with said gunner - if he is at a school there is little chance anybody will have a weapon that is on equal ground with a firearm, so he has free reign. if there was the knowledge that other people may have a firearm, said shooter would possibly rethink his decision. if he still go along with it, there is a good chance somebody will at the training required to get a ccw permit will drop him, or at least wound him before others are taken out like with no thought of an encounter.

Agreed. If the population were armed, it wouldn't have gotten to the point where all the students were that crazy in the first place.

aren't campus police armed?

Mine weren't.

 

[R Nilla]

Originally posted by: hdeck
take the gun arguments elsewhere please.