WTF!!!!!! - Virginia Tech

[PinchyCM]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Queasy
Oh Snap

?Communication from college? I checked my e-mail about 8:30?I went to my class as I usually would. By 8:30 no one was notified that something had happened at 7. We went onto a dangerous campus not knowing??

You don't shut down a 20,000 (just a guess) student university because one student got shot in the morning.

Why wouldn't you?

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: gerwen

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This guy must have been a trained shooter; it sounds like the number of rounds he fired was equal to the number of people he killed and injured.

I'm terrified to learn what he was up to in the classrooms. To kill that efficiently with a 9mm, his shots had to have been spot on.

I disagree. All it would take is a basic familiarity with firearms, a little practice shooting, and reloading, and most importantly, a cool head.

From what I know about the stopping power of a 9mm, if the guy fired roughly 50 rounds and killed/injured roughly 50 people in a 3:2 ratio, he would need to be more than just familiar with shooting. Previous shooting incidences have seen more rounds fired and less killed/injured.

I would have to agree. Working inner city trauma hospital as an ER nurse...especially in Detroit I've seen my fair share of shooting from various calibers. This guy had to know where to shoot people. If he was getting people center mass(chest/abdomen) from just a few feet away those will be fatal shots if you can't get to a hospital ASAP. getting shot in just the lung without any other injury or hitting a major blood vessel you do have a decent chance of survival IF and only if your lung doesnt collapse. If it does you are dead in a matter of minutes. Any injury to major/great blood vessels and you are dead before you ever reach a hospital. Any injury to the heart is nearly uniformly fatal. Unless it's single chamber involvement or you have pericardial tamponade but even then survival is less than 25%(and thats assuming you can get to a Level 1 or 2 trauma center ASAP preferably Level 1)....And you have to remember at close range a 9mm WILL do alot of damage when aimed center mass.

Basically this guy had to have some idea of what he was doing, coupled with the lack of any decent trauma hospital(which is not to insult the hospitals in the area but truly they are NOT equipped for this kind of incident) within a few hundred miles and it creates a big big problem when it comes to saving people.

 

[DigitalCancer]

Originally posted by: VTHodge

Originally posted by: DigitalCancer
Yea, i'd like to hear the story as to WHY he done this. Confirmed there was only 1 shooter? Also is he dead??

In the press conference, the police chief confirmed one shooter, who is dead.

Thanks. I wasn't sure if the shooter was actually dead or not.
I don't understand why they didn't shut the school down after the first CONFIRMED shooting, i mean...thats insane. Putting other students lives at risk when you know theres a shooter on the loose, i mean, come on!

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: PinchyCM

Originally posted by: TallBill

You don't shut down a 20,000 (just a guess) student university because one student got shot in the morning.

Why wouldn't you?

Read my post on the previous page. There is no real warning system for this type of thing and so reaction is going to be slow.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: gerwen

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: gerwen

I disagree. All it would take is a basic familiarity with firearms, a little practice shooting, and reloading, and most importantly, a cool head.

From what I know about the stopping power of a 9mm, if the guy fired roughly 50 rounds and killed/injured roughly 50 people in a 3:2 ratio, he would need to be more than just familiar with shooting. Previous shooting incidences have seen more rounds fired and less killed/injured.

I agree, if he only fired around 50 rounds, and injured 50 people, that would likely mean he's trained. However, the only report i've seen of number of rounds fired is from a student down the hall saying she heard about 50 shots, and that was only at one location.

Chances are he fired more than 50-60 times, but the truth is, we just don't know.

yeah, and if some wacko is running around school shooting people, you don't sit there and count shots fired.

what do you guys mean when you say trained? like military training or just going to the range?

if you mean the latter, fine, i'll agree with that. you don't need to be militarily trained to be a good shot.

 

[jpeyton]

UCDAggies is a troll; I would ignore him for now. Repealing an amendment is extremely hard to do.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: gerwen

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This guy must have been a trained shooter; it sounds like the number of rounds he fired was equal to the number of people he killed and injured.

I'm terrified to learn what he was up to in the classrooms. To kill that efficiently with a 9mm, his shots had to have been spot on.

I disagree. All it would take is a basic familiarity with firearms, a little practice shooting, and reloading, and most importantly, a cool head.

From what I know about the stopping power of a 9mm, if the guy fired roughly 50 rounds and killed/injured roughly 50 people in a 3:2 ratio, he would need to be more than just familiar with shooting. Previous shooting incidences have seen more rounds fired and less killed/injured.

I would have to agree. Working inner city trauma hospital as an ER nurse...especially in Detroit I've seen my fair share of shooting from various calibers. This guy had to know where to shoot people. If he was getting people center mass(chest/abdomen) from just a few feet away those will be fatal shots if you can't get to a hospital ASAP. getting shot in just the lung without any other injury or hitting a major blood vessel you do have a decent chance of survival IF and only if your lung doesnt collapse. If it does you are dead in a matter of minutes. Any injury to major/great blood vessels and you are dead before you ever reach a hospital. Any injury to the heart is nearly uniformly fatal. Unless it's single chamber involvement or you have pericardial tamponade but even then survival is less than 25%....And you have to remember at close range a 9mm WILL do alot of damage when aimed center mass.

Basically this guy had to have some idea of what he was doing, coupled with the lack of any decent trauma hospital(which is not to insult the hospitals in the area but truly they are NOT equipped for this kind of incident) within a few hundred miles and it creates a big big problem when it comes to saving people.

Guys, we've already got eyewitness stories about the shooter blindly unloading clips into doors and hitting students inside. He wasn't doing 1-shot kills.

 

[Steve]

Apparently Fred Phelps is going to picket the funerals.

 

[ViviTheMage]

in that one video you could hear at least 25 shots fired.

 

[Vegitto]

Originally posted by: sm8000
Apparently Fred Phelps is going to picket the funerals.

I hope someone bashes his face in when he does.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: sm8000
Apparently Fred Phelps is going to picket the funerals.

reason being ?

 

[JSSheridan]

I saw this email just now. It is from an EMS person at VA Tech.

-----Original Message-----
From: X [mailto:X@verizon.net]
Sent: Mon 4/16/2007 2:01 PM
To: Y@blabblah.com;
Z@blahblah.com
Subject: RE: VT shootings

Guys,

Yes, I responded to assist with the shootings. Thanks to an overwhelming number of other responders, I didn't treat any of the patients. However, I think I have a clearer version of the story than what has been released on the news. I'm not sure on the total body count though. While the news is currently reporting 22, I've heard as many as 40. As far as those injured, I have no idea. I do know that Montgomer Regional and NRV had to go on diversion because they were overwhelmed by numbers of patients. Approximately 7 of the more critical patients were transported to Roanoke Memorial and Lewis-Gale. The shooter is among those dead. To the best of my understanding (from first-hand accounts) this all started with an ex-boyfriend finding his girlfriend in bed with another guy. He then shot them, killing the guy immediately and the girl died at RMH. The shooter then went to Norris hall and entered a classroom opening fire. This does hit close to home on a number of levels. Everything from the fact that we all lived in that dorm to classes that we took in Norris Hall. It's still hard for me to believe that something so tragic occured. It makes last August's events with Morva look like child's-play.

X

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Vegitto

Originally posted by: sm8000
Apparently Fred Phelps is going to picket the funerals.

I hope someone bashes his face in when he does.

:thumbsup:

 

[l6873]

awe·some
?adjective
1. inspiring awe: an awesome sight.

awe
?noun
1. an overwhelming feeling of reverence, admiration, fear, etc., produced by that which is grand, sublime, extremely powerful, or the like: in awe of God; in awe of great political figures.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: PinchyCM

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Queasy
Oh Snap

?Communication from college? I checked my e-mail about 8:30?I went to my class as I usually would. By 8:30 no one was notified that something had happened at 7. We went onto a dangerous campus not knowing??

You don't shut down a 20,000 (just a guess) student university because one student got shot in the morning.

Why wouldn't you?

Because a typical assault or murder in a housing area usually doesn't lead to a mass murder. Shutting down a college is a big deal (or at least should be).

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: sm8000
Apparently Fred Phelps is going to picket the funerals.

Now i think i'm going to throw up.

 

[Andy22]

Originally posted by: sm8000
Apparently Fred Phelps is going to picket the funerals.

Where did you hear that?

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: gerwen

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This guy must have been a trained shooter; it sounds like the number of rounds he fired was equal to the number of people he killed and injured.

I'm terrified to learn what he was up to in the classrooms. To kill that efficiently with a 9mm, his shots had to have been spot on.

I disagree. All it would take is a basic familiarity with firearms, a little practice shooting, and reloading, and most importantly, a cool head.

From what I know about the stopping power of a 9mm, if the guy fired roughly 50 rounds and killed/injured roughly 50 people in a 3:2 ratio, he would need to be more than just familiar with shooting. Previous shooting incidences have seen more rounds fired and less killed/injured.

I would have to agree. Working inner city trauma hospital as an ER nurse...especially in Detroit I've seen my fair share of shooting from various calibers. This guy had to know where to shoot people. If he was getting people center mass(chest/abdomen) from just a few feet away those will be fatal shots if you can't get to a hospital ASAP. getting shot in just the lung without any other injury or hitting a major blood vessel you do have a decent chance of survival IF and only if your lung doesnt collapse. If it does you are dead in a matter of minutes. Any injury to major/great blood vessels and you are dead before you ever reach a hospital. Any injury to the heart is nearly uniformly fatal. Unless it's single chamber involvement or you have pericardial tamponade but even then survival is less than 25%....And you have to remember at close range a 9mm WILL do alot of damage when aimed center mass.

Basically this guy had to have some idea of what he was doing, coupled with the lack of any decent trauma hospital(which is not to insult the hospitals in the area but truly they are NOT equipped for this kind of incident) within a few hundred miles and it creates a big big problem when it comes to saving people.

Guys, we've already got eyewitness stories about the shooter blindly unloading clips into doors and hitting students inside. He wasn't doing 1-shot kills.

My point still stands....those hospitals are overwhelmed and in a situation like that it's alot easier to die from your injuries.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: JSSheridan
I saw this email just now. It is from an EMS person at VA Tech.

-----Original Message-----
From: X [mailto:X@verizon.net]
Sent: Mon 4/16/2007 2:01 PM
To: Y@blabblah.com;
Z@blahblah.com
Subject: RE: VT shootings

Guys,

Yes, I responded to assist with the shootings. Thanks to an overwhelming number of other responders, I didn't treat any of the patients. However, I think I have a clearer version of the story than what has been released on the news. I'm not sure on the total body count though. While the news is currently reporting 22, I've heard as many as 40. As far as those injured, I have no idea. I do know that Montgomer Regional and NRV had to go on diversion because they were overwhelmed by numbers of patients. Approximately 7 of the more critical patients were transported to Roanoke Memorial and Lewis-Gale. The shooter is among those dead. To the best of my understanding (from first-hand accounts) this all started with an ex-boyfriend finding his girlfriend in bed with another guy. He then shot them, killing the guy immediately and the girl died at RMH. The shooter then went to Norris hall and entered a classroom opening fire. This does hit close to home on a number of levels. Everything from the fact that we all lived in that dorm to classes that we took in Norris Hall. It's still hard for me to believe that something so tragic occured. It makes last August's events with Morva look like child's-play.

X

wow.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Guys, we've already got eyewitness stories about the shooter blindly unloading clips into doors and hitting students inside. He wasn't doing 1-shot kills.

Actually, I heard that student's account as well. He said the shooter first came into the classroom and unloaded a clip, then left the room. Students in that room then barricaded the room, and the shooter then tried to re-enter. When the shooter could not, he blindly fired into the door to gain entry, but failed.

 

[Bumrush99]

I hope this nutcase wasn't a CS or online game player, they are going to blame this on gaming

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I hope this nutcase wasn't a CS or online game player, they are going to blame this on gaming

Of course they will, but that's besides the point.

 

[timosyy]

Memento mori.

Many of my friends attend Virginia Tech. All I've been able to contact are alive, thankfully.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: PinchyCM

Originally posted by: TallBill

You don't shut down a 20,000 (just a guess) student university because one student got shot in the morning.

Why wouldn't you?

Read my post. on the previous page. There is no real warning system for this type of thing and so reaction is going to be slow.

Are you serious? We have sirens for emergencies. They test every first Wed. of the month here. Then again we live in earthquake county, but I'm sure these emergency notification systems can be used for shootings, and I would CERTAINLY activate them in such an event.

But yea, that said I think there's a lot of things you won't think of doing that quickly, especially when it's just 1 shooter. If it was 3 terrorists trying to mess things up big time, I think you'd get a pretty quick closure.

 

[VTHodge]

Originally posted by: JSSheridan
I saw this email just now. It is from an EMS person at VA Tech.

Thanks for sharing. I have a little bit of the same feelings going on. I am a few years removed from the campus, but I picture all these places so clearly.

I've had a hard time concentrating on my job today . . .