WTF why do local law enforcement need machine guns for?

[DCal430]

FYI this class 3 registry is stupid. If the government seized all of the guns on the registry, then no more crime would be committed with these weapons.

 

[Leros]

There are people who will use automatic weapons against the police (you occasionally see it happen in gang shootouts). I see where it makes sense for SWAT to have comparable fire power.

 

[olds]

OP,
Once again, you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

 

[BladeVenom]

FYI this class 3 registry is stupid. If the government seized all of the guns on the registry, then no more crime would be committed with these weapons.

That is sarcasm, correct?

Legally owned fully automatic weapons are hardly ever used to commit crimes. Murders rarer still; since 1934 I doubt you could find a dozen murders committed with legally owned machineguns in this country. By the way, one of those murders was committed by a police officer.

 

[DCal430]

That is sarcasm, correct?

Legally owned fully automatic weapons are hardly ever used to commit crimes. Murders rarer still; since 1934 I doubt you could find a dozen murders committed with legally owned machineguns in this country. By the way, one of those murders was committed by a police officer.

Then were are fully automatic weapons used in crimes coming from?

 

[brianmanahan]

posting in a sande

ohwait

 

[FallenHero]

Then were are fully automatic weapons used in crimes coming from?

Which fully automatics are you speaking of? Cite specific instances.

 

[ManBearPig]

A lot of criminals modify them to be fully auto i think. Criminals dont really care about the law.

 

[jmarti445]

Machine guns or Automatic weapons? I don't think the police have any bonafide machine guns(there is a difference between an Automatic AR-15, an MP5 or a P-90 and say a .50 Cal M2 or a Minigun)

 

[jlee]

Then were are fully automatic weapons used in crimes coming from?

If it's not legal Class III stuff owned by law-abiding citizens...what else could it be? Think about it really really hard. You might be able to figure it out.

No they can't. Civilians can only own the Semi-Auto M4geries, not actual fully automatic M4s.

A belt-fed HK21 would be more fun.

 

[jmarti445]

What I am saying is that true Machine gun has the capability to destroy something like a light armored vehicle and fire as many rounds as a drum can hold(which could be several thousand rounds). There is a legitimate use for Automatic weapons like submachine guns and assault weapons. But a true machine gun is more miltary based(like the machine gun on a hummer)

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Then were are fully automatic weapons used in crimes coming from?

I really doubt the mafia or any other crime syndicates are going to their local gun store or show to legally buy weapons.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

What I am saying is that true Machine gun has the capability to destroy something like a light armored vehicle and fire as many rounds as a drum can hold(which could be several thousand rounds). There is a legitimate use for Automatic weapons like submachine guns and assault weapons. But a true machine gun is more miltary based(like the machine gun on a hummer)

People are confusing fully automatic assault rifles and submachine guns for machine guns.

 

[jmarti445]

People are confusing fully automatic assault rifles and submachine guns for machine guns.

Exactly. I believe that you can purchase fully automatic weapons in some parts of the country as long as they are made that way(there is a $200 tax you have to pay I believe). But unless you are Rambo and have a beltfed .50 cal, you don't have a true blue machine gun.

Its necessary for Law Enforcement to have SWAT teams equipped with Full Auto Assault weapons. It doesn't happen too much but in organized crime and cartels that operate within the US they do have some powerful artilery. Glocks and shotguns don't really stand up too much against AK-47's(Russian Mafia anyone). Big difference between gang members with Tech-9s and whatever handgun they can get their hands on and say a cartel members that may or may not have extensive training and knowledge in weapons.

 

[Red Squirrel]

If citizens can buy em / mod em to be automatic, cops may as well have them too.

 

[x-alki]

FYI this class 3 registry is stupid. If the government seized all of the guns on the registry, then no more crime would be committed with these weapons.

OP is a troll. or an idiot. or both.

 

[DCal430]

OP is a troll. or an idiot. or both.

In California around 5 to 10% of crimes are committed with banned guns, and for gang and drug crimes it can be 30 to 50%.

 

[waggy]

OP is a troll. or an idiot. or both.

and he proves it with each post.

 

[rgwalt]

In California around 5 to 10% of crimes are committed with banned guns, and for gang and drug crimes it can be 30 to 50%.

Cite your sources! Also, what type of "banned" weapons are you talking about? In Cal, a banned weapon is anything with a magazine capacity of more than 9 or 10 rounds (IIRC). So a Glock with a high capacity magazine is "banned", while it is perfectly legal in NV. There is a big difference between a semi-auto pistol with a "high capacity" magazine (banned in Cal) and a fully automatic weapon.

The idea that "seizing" all of the class 3 weapons on the registry will stop crime with these weapons is absurd. People own these weapons LEGALLY! This means that they have gone through major hoops and paid lots of money to buy something, but more importantly they are law abiding citizens. If you want a fully automatic firearm to commit a crime, there are easier and cheaper ways to go about obtaining one without buying something from the pre-1986 ban. Illegal full auto weapons don't come out of the collections of law abiding citizens. They are smuggled into the country for criminals, by criminals.

Why should I, as a law abiding citizen, have to surrender my property to the government because someone else commits a crime with a similar item? What is that going to accomplish? Should we ban and seize all cars because a few people intentionally commit vehicular homicide (running people down with a car)?

People need to be educated about firearms... about the differences between semi-automatic and fully automatic weapons. About what the true meaning of "machine gun" is. And why the term "assault rifle" is essentially meaningless because there is no definition as to what one is, or more importantly why an assault rifle is, at its core function, any different than any other rifle.

Criminals can and will always be able to get ahold of guns. Why does the argument follow that it is OK to deprive law abiding citizens of their firearms?

 

[lupi]

p90 isnt a machine gun.

 

[amdhunter]

How else can you accidentally shoot a handcuffed minority in the back 50+ times in under 10 seconds?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Why the hell isn't this ignorant fucktard banned yet? He degrades the site (and the human race) through his continued posting.

 

[Darwin333]

Look up North Hollywood Shootout and you'll understand why.

I would think that a high powered semi-auto rifle would do much better in that situation than a FN P90.

 

[pontifex]

In California around 5 to 10% of crimes are committed with banned guns, and for gang and drug crimes it can be 30 to 50%.

but in CA, 90% of guns are banned... so it's not hard to commit a crime with a banned gun...

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

I would think that a high powered semi-auto rifle would do much better in that situation than a FN P90.

Or maybe a nice big .50 BMG rifle, no need to hit them more then once when each piece lands 50 feet away.