wth is with tom's hardware

[Paintballfreak66]

Ok my buddy seems to think intel mops it up with amd. And I just sit there and laugh at him. Then he pulls up this site Tom's Hardware Cpu Charts and in at least half, maybe more, intel is on top in the comparisons. What is tom's hardware doing? There has to be some stipulation or does intel really perform better in those apps? If so that would come as a huge suprise after seeing how everyone says go amd. I'm not saying I disagree or anything, I love my 3700 but I'd still like to know why so I can prove to my friend amd rox0rs. Thanks.

 

[Markfw]

First, that benchmark doesn't even have many of todays cpus' on it. Next we all know toms is biased. Let your friend think what he wants, and laugh at him as your san diego kicks his but !

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
First, that benchmark doesn't even have many of todays cpus' on it. Next we all know toms is biased. Let your friend think what he wants, and laugh at him as your san diego kicks his but !

:thumbsup:

 

[Vee]

Intel P4 tend to perform its best on media apps and some benchmarks that have been custom tailored for it. More precicely exactly those benchmarks *carefully* selected and used by tomshardware.com, and not much else.

(Which is one reason why you shouldn't trust tomshardware. Another reason you shouldn't trust them is because they are not satisfied with the selection alone, they also cheat some when benchmarking. A third reason you shouldn't trust them is because their general manager have a 'peculiar personality'. You can check it out here, in this unmasked (after a beer too many?) rant:


http://www.tgdaily.com/2004/02/18/intel/


I believe it's a case of what is generally called "Intelfanboy"? Is it not?
Note the immature, childish gloating.
A fourth reason is that you will find there is a whole crowd that will tell you "don't trust tomshardware.com". Their reputation is one of bias, dishonesty, incompetence.)

Intel P4 perform solid on anything modern concerned with media. Particularly video.
And the top P4s have the advantage of ht, which allows Windows to shedule it two threads, avoiding some blockages.
(Still, a good trick to inflate Intel's performance vs AMD on videoencoding is to drop audio and lower quality. Not relevant to real performance perhaps, but useful if one wants to slant a benchmark.)

Intel P4 perform remarkably poorly (compared to AMD) on code that has been little or not at all optimized specifically for the P4 architecture. That happens to be a lot of real software. But there have been no such benchmarks since the days of the Willamette, so this is not a fact that is much present in peoples awareness today. (The Northwood core got an awful lot of credit for "improvements" that were partly due to changed benchmarks.)
But this may be part of the background to the saying that "AMD is faster in real use".

A more quantified and verified example of this proverb is this spectacular test on Extremetech that successfully demonstrates that the real use superiority of AMD goes far beyond what the figures of an even honest benchmark would indicate.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1854788,00.asp

It's hard to rekommend Intel these days. AMD is cheaper, faster, cooler and far less trouble and problems.

When it comes to Intel, wait for Intel's Conroe (P5?). Don't buy their sh**ty P4.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I remember back in the 90's when Tom's was my first tech site stop after getting online via a dial-up connection *no broadband in my area then* Now, I only visit when linked there by someone.

It was pretty damned cool of them to F with that scumbag POS Michael of Michael's Computers though. :beer: Even a blind pig can sometimes find a truffle!

Oh, for those of you who are n00bs or somehow didn't hear about this Assclown Text

 

[forumposter32]

The only factor for me is gaming. And in UT2004, the CPU is the most important factor in the computer.

So, that's the only benchmarks I care to look at.

Why would you even waste time arguing about what is the better processor? It's useless. And why do you have a hard time accepting the fact that Intel could possibly beat AMD in some benchmarks? Is it seriously going to give you mental problems?

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: forumposter32
The only factor for me is gaming. And in UT2004, the CPU is the most important factor in the computer.

So, that's the only benchmarks I care to look at.

Why would you even waste time arguing about what is the better processor? It's useless. And why do you have a hard time accepting the fact that Intel could possibly beat AMD in some benchmarks? Is it seriously going to give you mental problems?

Wouldn't the GPU be the most important factor in gaming?

 

[n7]

Actually, UT2k4 is extremely CPU-bound, so in his case, not as much.

 

[Paintballfreak66]

Originally posted by: forumposter32
The only factor for me is gaming. And in UT2004, the CPU is the most important factor in the computer.

So, that's the only benchmarks I care to look at.

Why would you even waste time arguing about what is the better processor? It's useless. And why do you have a hard time accepting the fact that Intel could possibly beat AMD in some benchmarks? Is it seriously going to give you mental problems?

lol. It was a simple question dude. Sorry you didn't have anything intelligent to contribute. Next time just hold your tongue if you're just going to rip on people? thanks.

 

[forumposter32]

No, I'm not ripping on people even though my back is waking me up and it's ruining my life.

But, I DO find a serious lack of real thinking in your original post.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Tom's Hardware has had an absolutely infamous Intel bias the last few years, and they will do everything in their power to make Intel look good, no matter the cost. Journalistic integrity has totally gone out the window.

Just one example is that they did a 24/7 test of running the top P4 Prescott vs AthlonXP on retail cooling. They changed the test several times mid-testing because the P4 rebooted itself. It was also throttling at certain points I believe.

They've also done CPU roundups with overclocked P4's vs stock AMD's, etc.

Check those charts - it's an absolute smorgasborg of Pentium 4 Extreme Editions. First of all, they cost about a grand per chip and are rare. Second, you'd have to be nuts or totally stinking rich to buy one (and then you'd still be nuts because the FX-57 is still faster).

One EE is running DDRII @ 711 Mhz. How about some AMD overclocking Tom?

Finally, the P4 570 (3.8 Ghz P4) was tested to throttle a lot under heavy load, so you can pretty much discount it's scores as well.

If your argument is that you can overclock a lower speed P4 to 3.8 Ghz (sometimes a bit more) on good cooling, then if that is the case, you have to put up some AMD overclocking results too. How about an A64 @ 2.8 Ghz on a high FSB with some good RAM?

That whole roundup is a stacked deck for Intel to win. Encoding applications and synthetic benchmarks - just what Intel is good at. Quake3 is also very well optimized for P4.


Check any site besides Tom's and it will paint an entirely different picture.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Tom's Hardware has had an absolutely infamous Intel bias the last few years, and they will do everything in their power to make Intel look good, no matter the cost. Journalistic integrity has totally gone out the window.

Just one example is that they did a 24/7 test of running the top P4 Prescott vs AthlonXP on retail cooling. They changed the test several times mid-testing because the P4 rebooted itself. It was also throttling at certain points I believe.

They've also done CPU roundups with overclocked P4's vs stock AMD's, etc.

Dont forget the infamous dual core stress test either.....that was an even bigger screwup than the P4 vs AXP :roll: About the best thing THG is good for is their daily news updates they tend to catch some interesting news articles from time to time...otherwise :thumbsdown:

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Paintballfreak66
Ok my buddy seems to think intel mops it up with amd. And I just sit there and laugh at him. Then he pulls up this site Tom's Hardware Cpu Charts and in at least half, maybe more, intel is on top in the comparisons. What is tom's hardware doing? There has to be some stipulation or does intel really perform better in those apps? If so that would come as a huge suprise after seeing how everyone says go amd. I'm not saying I disagree or anything, I love my 3700 but I'd still like to know why so I can prove to my friend amd rox0rs. Thanks.

First of all any intelligent person knows that intel doesn`t mop it up with AMD!!

Second of all any intelligent person knows that AMD is NOT the best at every application!doh......

Third of all Tom`s hardware is being honest.....again Doh..

Fourth of all You believe everything people say about AMD?? Doh....

Finally-- you don`t disagree?? Then why a thread on the subject? rofl......

 

[karioskasra]

Spoken like a true Intel EE owner =D

 

[Shenkoa]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Paintballfreak66
Ok my buddy seems to think intel mops it up with amd. And I just sit there and laugh at him. Then he pulls up this site Tom's Hardware Cpu Charts and in at least half, maybe more, intel is on top in the comparisons. What is tom's hardware doing? There has to be some stipulation or does intel really perform better in those apps? If so that would come as a huge suprise after seeing how everyone says go amd. I'm not saying I disagree or anything, I love my 3700 but I'd still like to know why so I can prove to my friend amd rox0rs. Thanks.

First of all any intelligent person knows that intel doesn`t mop it up with AMD!!

Second of all any intelligent person knows that AMD is NOT the best at every application!doh......

Third of all Tom`s hardware is being honest.....again Doh..

Fourth of all You believe everything people say about AMD?? Doh....

Finally-- you don`t disagree?? Then why a thread on the subject? rofl......

THG being honest ROFTL! do you beileve what THG sais, dude THG is biased as can be.

Man I will place my Venice against your Intel Expensive Eddition any day of the week, well that is if you dont choose strictly optimised applications like Tom does.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Paintballfreak66
Ok my buddy seems to think intel mops it up with amd. And I just sit there and laugh at him. Then he pulls up this site Tom's Hardware Cpu Charts and in at least half, maybe more, intel is on top in the comparisons. What is tom's hardware doing? There has to be some stipulation or does intel really perform better in those apps? If so that would come as a huge suprise after seeing how everyone says go amd. I'm not saying I disagree or anything, I love my 3700 but I'd still like to know why so I can prove to my friend amd rox0rs. Thanks.

First of all any intelligent person knows that intel doesn`t mop it up with AMD!!

Second of all any intelligent person knows that AMD is NOT the best at every application!doh......

Third of all Tom`s hardware is being honest.....again Doh..

Fourth of all You believe everything people say about AMD?? Doh....

Finally-- you don`t disagree?? Then why a thread on the subject? rofl......

THG being honest ROFTL! do you beileve what THG said, dude THG is biased as can be.

Man I will place my Venice against your Intel Expensive Eddition any day of the week, well that is if you dont choose strictly optimised applications like Tom does.

Yet at the same time had THG said the AMD chip beats the Intel Chip at everything hands down no contest-- I bet you would say all right!! THG is on the right track!!
You really want to place your Venice up against my p4 3.2 EE o/c`d to 4.0???
Who determines the how we judge which is best.....
Again the old problem......do we use tests that we all know AMD is best at or do we use tests that we all know Intel can beat AMD at.......who is the group of impartial hudges?lol.....
What I can`t believe is that you are nieve enough to believe that AMD chips are hands down the best chips for every application...OOops did i put words in your mouth....rofl...hahahaaa
rofl.......My parents(may they rest in Peace!) taught me to never argue well in this case never fight with an unarmed person!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Shenkoa]

THG is biased period.

Its best to use programs that were not designed around a particular architecture.

My venice is overclocked at 2.7 GHz! so yeah!

You never know how armed your enemy is untill you fire.

 

[JEDIYoda]

rofl laughing such a non committal statement...rofl:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Shenkoa]

For the record I think we should go one on one with our processors, how much more $ did you spend for yours??? LOL!

 

[Zarubable]

For the Life of Me I have never seen an AMD guy appear to be chicken when putting his Venice overclocked to 2.7 against an Intel processor 3.2 EE over clocked to 4.0.

Your venice should be able to easily handle the P4 - shouldn`t it?
I bet his memory also is hauling ass along with his processor.

So to should yours.

I never thought I would see the day when an AMD dude would run with his tail between his legs after challenging the Intel guy.

Didn`t your parents teach you to keep your mouth closed unless you know for sure what you are talking about?
My God and you challenged this guy.
It`s Ok to admit defeat and be a man about things and say you screwed up or you were drunk or high or something.

Good Luck to you!

 

[Zarubable]

Intel 1-- AMD 0??

 

[karioskasra]

What the hell is this pissing contest about? It's not like you're bragging about penis size -- it's processors for foreskin's sakes. There are enough benches out there to see which is faster. No, your processor is not special. No, your 500 jigahertz isn't inherently faster than any other similar 500 jigahertz out there.

 

[Paintballfreak66]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Finally-- you don`t disagree?? Then why a thread on the subject? rofl......

To keep people like you, backed up in a corner, from posting because you feel the need to protect your cpu preference. Funny how the biggest intel fan in the thread comes off as being the nicest...

I never intended to start arguments or anything I just wanted to know how intel is on top on almost every test on Tom's Hardware. Yeah, I know intel is better at some things, but I know it isn't that much better.

Next time you post, reread what you're typing and make sure you don't sound so "naive" (yes, that's how it's supposed to be spelled).

Doh..

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Paintballfreak66

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Finally-- you don`t disagree?? Then why a thread on the subject? rofl......

To keep people like you, backed up in a corner, from posting because you feel the need to protect your cpu preference. Funny how the biggest intel fan in the thread comes off as being the nicest...

I never intended to start arguments or anything I just wanted to know how intel is on top on almost every test on Tom's Hardware. Yeah, I know intel is better at some things, but I know it isn't that much better.
Next time you post, reread what you're typing and make sure you don't sound so "naive" (yes, that's how it's supposed to be spelled).

Doh..

If all you have to say concerns grammatical errors that have nothing to do with the topic thats very sad!


Actually your AMD die hard who has trouble acknowledging that there are applications that Intel actually does own AMD!!
Just like there are applications or as you would say--there are alot more applications where AMD is better than Intel.

So why get so up in arms becuase quite possibly Intel does make some chips that are as good or better than AMD at various applications?

One thing we do agree on is that AMD owns Gaming!!

Have a nice day!!
Don`t get your panty`s all in a bunch over grammer.....its not as if we are writing a doctoral thesis!!lolol....doh

 

[Zarubable]

I find it perplexing that Shenkoa would call JEDI out for a CPU battle and then runs for the hills like there is no tomorrow.

Can we all say Intel 1 AMD 0?

We all know AMD rules; but Shenkoa embarrassed those of us who are AMD users.

You don`t call somebody out and not show up for the fight.