wth is with tom's hardware

[eastvillager]

I'll admit that if you want the highest power consumption and the highest heat output, you pretty much have to go with Intel.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Lord Midas
What a load of old rubbish. I've been reading THG and Anadtech for years now and have never seen bias in their reviews. I use both these sites for my benchmarking and purchasing decisions.

Seriously, go back and look at Tom's "stress-test" article. Find the forum chatter that was generated on Tom's own site by the debacle(too many links for me to paste here sorry). It was a total mess. Tom's had to bend over backwards to make the Intel system come out looking good.

 

[interchange]

Paintballfreak66,

Politely inform your friend that the majority of non-game benchmarks used on Tom's Hardware Guide are chosen because they are optimized to take special advantage of Intel hardware. If any of those applications are critical to him, then he should take note. Otherwise, he can realistically ignore any of those benchmarks. There are very few applications written to specifically take advantage of either Intel or AMD architecture.

 

[route66]

Originally posted by: Zarubable
So far all talk no action--words and more words--too funny.

Hey, wise guy - Shenoka posted benchmarks.

 

[Shenkoa]

Its ok, all he has done is flame.

BAN!

 

[Zarubable]

I am still laughging at those supposed benchmarks that Shenkoa posted.
No way to prove or disprove if they are legit or altered....

I will say I admire Shenkoa for coming forward with the benchmarks.

I also admire JEDI for realizing "finally" that no matter what he posts good or bad theAMD trolls will have an answer for anything JEDI posts even if his 3.2 EE were to smoke Shenkoa`s chip.

Those you AMD people who are adults know what I am talking about when I say there are way to many AMD trolls who actually believ that in everyway AMD is superior to Intel.

God I love You All.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Zarubable
I am still laughging at those supposed benchmarks that Shenkoa posted.
No way to prove or disprove if they are legit or altered....

I will say I admire Shenkoa for coming forward with the benchmarks.

I also admire JEDI for realizing "finally" that no matter what he posts good or bad theAMD trolls will have an answer for anything JEDI posts even if his 3.2 EE were to smoke Shenkoa`s chip.

Those you AMD people who are adults know what I am talking about when I say there are way to many AMD trolls who actually believ that in everyway AMD is superior to Intel.

God I love You All.

You asked for benchmarks and he gave you benchmarks, what the bleep does it take to satisfy you! In all honesty if you are going to contribute more to this thread it might be a good idea to post your system specs and your benchmarks, maybe then people would take you a bit more seriously....otherwise this thread has gotten out of hand....

In the end Tom's has done some shady things in the past, and yes he/she/they need to update those CPU benchmarks to include the latest Intel and AMD offerings.....however I dont know what it's going to take to end all this flame bait and FUD that's being spread around by both sides, JEDI or Zarubable.....either one or both of you should post your system specs and benchmarks so maybe then people can calm down and return to buying whatever product, AMD or Intel that they so happen to choose instead of throwing around the size of their collective e-penises to everyone that happens pass them by!!!!

/rant

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Zarubable
Those you AMD people who are adults know what I am talking about when I say there are way to many AMD trolls who actually believ that in everyway AMD is superior to Intel.

God I love You All.

Actually, as far as x86 processors go, AMD is currently superior to Intel in almost every way at the moment.
I think you'll find (if you go back into the archives) that there was the exact same reaction here only reversed during the days of the Northwood (where Intel was superior in every way but price).
This isn't trolling...the definition of trolling is:
"In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages on the internet, such as on online discussion forums, to disrupt the discussion or to upset its participants. The word, or its derivative, "trolling", is also used to describe such messages or the act of posting them"

 

[suffah]

Zarubable = JEDIyoda

/obvious

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
Its ok, all he has done is flame.

BAN!

Yup ! Ditto....

 

[Zarubable]

Too funny.
You people call anybody who sticks up for Intel a troll.
That doesn`t make any sense.
Can`t Intel and AMD co-exist on these forums?

I guess not.
Probably the answer might me - well as long as the Intel people know there palace we have no issue with them.

I have an AMD system which I am very happy with.

I guess people can`t even stick up for Intel people around these forums.

Have fun. Peace-Chow

 

[Markfw]

It has nothing to do with Intel/AMD. It has to do with a troll that won't acknowledge that A>B based on benchmarks. So bye-bye troll.

 

[route66]

Originally posted by: Viditor
"In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages on the internet, such as on online discussion forums, to disrupt the discussion or to upset its participants. The word, or its derivative, "trolling", is also used to describe such messages or the act of posting them"

Actually, the true definition of a troll is one who reduces signal-to-noise ratio of a discussion forum. There is more to trolling then getting people upset.

I only bring it up because I find the trolling subculture amusing. Trolls on the other hand....

 

[Zarubable]

Let me guess the Anandtech forums definition of a troll is as follows

A troll is -Anybody who will not let the AMD fanboys browbash somebody who speaks up for Intel products.

A troll is- Anybody who believes that AMD does not own Intel products

A troll is- Anybody who believes and states on these forums that Intel can hang with AMD
even though the Intel person states for gaming purposes AMD is the chip of choice

Note- I would venture to say had Intel chips been dirt cheap from day one this AMD fan base would be very small**

A troll is somebody who responds to a post somebody else makes in response to a post that the Intel person made

A troll is anybody who uses Intel products and has the guts to post such

A troll is anybody who disagrees with a post by an AMD person especially if they use an Intel comment to downplay AMD

I don`t think I have been trolling at all...just sticking up for my friend

I have found that alot of people just can`t intelligently discuss or comment on comments made by an Intel person.

I have also found that in reality Intel people are not really welcome on these forums

Thats ok you all have a good day

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Zarubable
Let me guess the Anandtech forums definition of a troll is as follows

A troll is -Anybody who will not let the AMD fanboys browbash somebody who speaks up for Intel products.

A troll is- Anybody who believes that AMD does not own Intel products

A troll is- Anybody who believes and states on these forums that Intel can hang with AMD
even though the Intel person states for gaming purposes AMD is the chip of choice

Note- I would venture to say had Intel chips been dirt cheap from day one this AMD fan base would be very small**

A troll is somebody who responds to a post somebody else makes in response to a post that the Intel person made

A troll is anybody who uses Intel products and has the guts to post such

A troll is anybody who disagrees with a post by an AMD person especially if they use an Intel comment to downplay AMD

I don`t think I have been trolling at all...just sticking up for my friend

I have found that alot of people just can`t intelligently discuss or comment on comments made by an Intel person.

I have also found that in reality Intel people are not really welcome on these forums

Thats ok you all have a good day

Actually you just avoid people's questions and try to make yourself out as the good guy in the situation as I've stated in the past and you'll call me a troll or whatever, that the issue the OP posted was asking how accurate the THG CPU chart is, and bottom line it, it's NOT very accurate, it's not updated with current processors from either Intel or AMD, and because of that it shouldnt be used by anybody to base a buying decision. Moreover if you are an informed consumer, which I hope we all are, then you'd goto more than one site and compare CPUs or GPUs or whatever based on information from multiple reviews and sites. And guess what I use an intel product but you dont see me getting flame or called a troll because of it, I have an intel because for the longest time I couldnt afford a new computer, now I have a new system that is just waiting on a replacement mobo and yes it's an AMD because it gave me a price and performance I could afford as a 20 yr old college student. Intel could have also but it didnt suite my needs.

Honestly I think you should just stop acting so weird and illogical and just agree to disagree on things and BE MATURE.....as a community we dont mind another opinion if it's a mature opinion and well thought out. Most of your posts have not been. And I'm not trying to flame or troll against you it's just a thought I had so we can have at least a civil discussion without people being banned or whatnot

 

[Shenkoa]

"And guess what I use an intel product but you dont see me getting flame or called a troll because of it, I have an intel because for the longest time I couldnt afford a new computer, now I have a new system that is just waiting on a replacement mobo and yes it's an AMD because it gave me a price and performance I could afford as a 20 yr old college student. Intel could have also but it didnt suite my needs" - DeathBUA

Ditto, I had a P4 for a long time. Then I seen that my friends AMD Athlon XP outperformed it at 800 MHz less and was a fraction of the price, at which point I switched and did not look back.

I am also a 20 year old College Student, and AMD's prices are very good, especially when overclocking so I dont see any reason to buy an Intel Bases processor and definetly not a reason in the world to buy a EE!!! thats just crazy!

 

[fatty4ksu]

Please end the inferiority complex AMD cheerleaders.


:disgust:

 

[Beh]

judging from the number of views versus the number of replies i must say i applaud all the people who simply viewed this flameworthy thread and then ignored it. while entertaining at first, i do find it tedious to see people bickering over so small a matter. whats wrong with buying the processor thats right for you and being happy with it no matter what some "bad" forum-goer might say? my computer survives through hand-me-downs much of the time. ive used amd and intel. i constantly see increases in performance through the years no matter who makes my cpu. whats the problem?

 

[imported_archon]

OK, where's JEDIYoda bench's?

 

[Shenkoa]

I was going to post more but whats the reason if JEDI does not benchmark??

 

[Lord Midas]

Gah, my bench in 3DMark05 is 925!!! w00t, etc...

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Zarubable
Let me guess the Anandtech forums definition of a troll is as follows

A troll is -Anybody who will not let the AMD fanboys browbash somebody who speaks up for Intel products.

A troll is- Anybody who believes that AMD does not own Intel products

A troll is- Anybody who believes and states on these forums that Intel can hang with AMD
even though the Intel person states for gaming purposes AMD is the chip of choice

Note- I would venture to say had Intel chips been dirt cheap from day one this AMD fan base would be very small**

A troll is somebody who responds to a post somebody else makes in response to a post that the Intel person made

A troll is anybody who uses Intel products and has the guts to post such

A troll is anybody who disagrees with a post by an AMD person especially if they use an Intel comment to downplay AMD

I don`t think I have been trolling at all...just sticking up for my friend

I have found that alot of people just can`t intelligently discuss or comment on comments made by an Intel person.

I have also found that in reality Intel people are not really welcome on these forums

Thats ok you all have a good day

Well considering I'm posting this from a Celeron D 2.66, and I own a Pentium-M Lappy, I guess that you need to re-think your position. Please, explain to me how you can honestly say that Intel is better than AMD right now overall. Their single core procs run hotter than hell and get beat by cheaper, cooler running processors in a majority of real world applications. Their dual core processors get their asses handed to them, as proved by members of this forum. The only relative bright spot is their mobile computing, but AMD is catching up with the turion.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
Please end the inferiority complex AMD cheerleaders.


:disgust:

shut up troll :disgust::disgust::disgust::disgust::disgust:

 

[carlosd]

Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
Please end the inferiority complex AMD cheerleaders.


:disgust:

Remember fatty said that his P4 1.8GHz encoded faster than an A64. That's trolling.

 

[carlosd]

Originally posted by: Zarubable
A troll is- Anybody who believes that AMD does not own Intel products

Maybe because it is truth and is based on bechmarks and reviews.

Originally posted by: Zarubable
A troll is- Anybody who believes and states on these forums that Intel can hang with AMD
even though the Intel person states for gaming purposes AMD is the chip of choice

Maybe because the AMD is superior in much other things than gaming than intel chips.

Originally posted by: Zarubable
A troll is somebody who responds to a post somebody else makes in response to a post that the Intel person made

No, that is not true.

Originally posted by: Zarubable
A troll is anybody who uses Intel products and has the guts to post such

No , a troll is a person who uses an intel product and states than it's better than an AMD product, when it is obviously not true.

Originally posted by: Zarubable
A troll is anybody who disagrees with a post by an AMD person especially if they use an Intel comment to downplay AMD

When you disagree with the facts, the bechmarks and the truth, you are treated like a jerk and a troll. What can we do? the desktop intel chips are crap, we have to say that. This is a Hi-tech forum where we review and say which are the best and which are the worst product, in this case intel have the worsts ones , since there is no further competition in the desktop microprocessor market.

Originally posted by: Zarubable
I have also found that in reality Intel people are not really welcome on these forums

They are welcomed when not trolling, when not saying that intel chips are better (which is a lie), and not accepting that AMD are superior when every bechmark and review say so. Even THG had to accept that.

A clear example of trolling is fatty who stated that his 1.8GHz PIV encoded faster than an A64, which is clearly out of bounds.