Mikewarrior2 wrote:
"The swiftech's now come with the quieter 53CFM fan. IF that's the way it comes from the manufacturer, then that is how it should be tested."
Well, that invalidates 90% of the "heatsink reviews" floating around then, eh? Nearly every one uses a fan different from that which ships with the unit, and there's nothing wrong with that. But they shouldn't compare a unit with a Delta to a unit with a lower-volume Sanyo-Denki and then declare the former the "best". Doesn't cut it.
"it is okay to recommend the swiftech, as it certainly is an excellent unit, but For you to constantly SAY that it is hte only choice is annoying to no end. You just can't believe that there are top "tier" performance heatsinks that include the Thermalright and Glaciator units, as well as the Swiftech."
Sure I can. I'm not arguing that the SK-6 and Glaciator are "top tier" units. But declaring either of them superior to the MC462-A is laughable, and results floating in from people using these models confirms that.
"And where have you seen "muhc better" performance with the swiftech? Socket-thermistor based tests? More heatsink-thermocouple tests?(which, lookign at this test, is still a flawed testing method. Internal is still, by far, the absolute best). Heatsink-thermocouple mounting area plays a huge role. Depending on where it is sitting over the core can drastically alter the readings. This is from personal experience and testing."
I've observed far better cooling results with an MC462-A and the stock Sanyo-Denki. Whilst "Joe's" test shows 46C under load with a 98.1 watt heat dissipation, I personally observed 40C under full load with nearly 115 watts of heat dissipation. Same board, same fan. And this was done with a heatsink-thermocouple (as you put it), unlike "Joe's" test where he (for some reason) uses the in-socket thermistor. With the Delta 68.5cfm fan, that full load temp dropped to 36C.
You make 2 observations which I have a problem with - first, you are still discounting the accuracy of a heatsink-thermocouple. I think we can both agree that for now, it is THE most accurate way of measuring temps. You yourself heatedly debate any readings from socket thermistors, yet that is precisely what "Joe" used in his "review". This coming from a man who has previously admitted inaccuracies and flaws in his "reviews", yet hasn't changed his ways a bit. We can argue about placement of the probe forever, but, fact is, it doesn't make a hell of a difference. Obviously you want it as close to dead-center on the core as possible, but a slight variation isn't going to *drastically* change the numbers.
I'm just rather puzzled how you can be so adamant against socket thermistor readings and comparisons, and yet read "Joe's" latest "review" where he uses precisely that method and call the results "good". I beg to differ.