Wwyd if a lane splitting motorcyclist gave your car a tap (indicating he needs more room to lane split)

pcgeek11

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I hate lane splitters with a passion... but I wouldn't give him a tap. Nor would I move over. I'd hug the white line.
 

WelshBloke

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I'm fine with lane splitters if they do it safely and theres room, no point in an extra person being stuck in traffic if they dont need to be.
No point in tapping though, if I'd have had room I'd have let you through anyway if you cant get past theres a reason for that.
 

Exterous

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I'm fine with lane splitters if they do it safely and theres room

I think my issue with them is that there often isn't good room and their speed differential is often quite high. If I'm in a car and going 20mph (I think thats 793 kph?) and with the flow of traffic, I'm not expecting someone to lane split at 60mph. I've seen quite a few near misses around construction and on\off ramps as people have to change lanes in slow moving traffic
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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If I could move a bit I would if the tap was restrained. If it was a pound I'd show him no courtesy.
 

olds

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When I ride, I split. If I was in my car and that happened I'd be pissed, he doesn't have the right of way and I see it as rude. He'd have to find his own way around me as I would continue my current line.
 
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Ajay

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What bothers me more is when a bike rides my bumper in the left hand corner. It's in my blind spot and drives me nuts - I saw you ride in there, now what the hell are you doing?
Anyway, I've never had a moto rider tap my car, so I have no idea what this is like.
 
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zinfamous

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I don't mind lane splitting as long as it's done responsibly. No way I'd tolerate some asshole tapping, though.
 
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BoomerD

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AFAIK, California is the only state where lane-splitting is completely legal. Until recently, CA was ine of the handful of states where it was neither legal nor illegal...just in some kind of " gray area" in the law. When possible, I usually gave them a bit of room to get by, but the law (as I read it) doesn't REQUIRE people to move for lane-splitters, just that it's illegal to move to block them.
Tapping someone's car to move will cause problems...no one WANTS to be stuck in traffic...and plenty of people get pretty "road-rageous" over it...and see lane-splitting as cheating. I saw people move closer to the next lane and even open their doors to block splitters when I used to commute into the SF Bay daily. I suspect this could set off one of those types of people.
 

herm0016

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AFAIK, California is the only state where lane-splitting is completely legal. Until recently, CA was ine of the handful of states where it was neither legal nor illegal...just in some kind of " gray area" in the law. When possible, I usually gave them a bit of room to get by, but the law (as I read it) doesn't REQUIRE people to move for lane-splitters, just that it's illegal to move to block them.
Tapping someone's car to move will cause problems...no one WANTS to be stuck in traffic...and plenty of people get pretty "road-rageous" over it...and see lane-splitting as cheating. I saw people move closer to the next lane and even open their doors to block splitters when I used to commute into the SF Bay daily. I suspect this could set off one of those types of people.


yea, i dont have a huge problem with it, i see people in denver doing it every once in a while. but no need to be an ahole about it and mess with other peoples property. we are all just trying to get somewhere.
 

BoomerD

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No. Utah legalized "lane filtering" when traffic is stopped.


Lane splitting involves traveling between the lanes when traffic is moving, albeit slowly.

Kind of semantics, yet, from a legal standpoint, very different.
 

OccamsToothbrush

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Tapping someone's car to move will cause problems...no one WANTS to be stuck in traffic...and plenty of people get pretty "road-rageous" over it...and see lane-splitting as cheating.

It's not that people see lane splitting as cheating, it is cheating. In almost all places it's illegal and even where it's legal it shouldn't be. Traffic slows for a reason, too many cars for too little road space, lanes being closed, busy merges, etc. All vehicles eventually have to pass the obstruction and re-integrate into the normal flow once past it. When a jam is caused because of construction or accidents eliminating lanes the motorcycles don't generally split through the entire work/accident zone. 3 lanes into 2 or 2 lanes into 1 the motorcycle will generally sneak up to as close to the merge as possible, then get into a lane taking up a full space that could have been used by a car. For every motorcycle that passes a stopped car that car is often pushed one place further back in line and waits longer. It's no different than cutting a line at a movie or for an amusement park ride. Fuck them. Around here lane-cutting is very rare because traffic is bad and drivers guard their position. Try to cut in front of a car by splitting and be prepared to eat pavement or a guardrail. WAIT YOUR TURN LIKE A GROWN UP ASSHOLE! You're not special, I won't cut you off and take your spot and I expect the same courtesy in return.
 
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olds

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It's not that people see lane splitting as cheating, it is cheating. In almost all places it's illegal and even where it's legal it shouldn't be. Traffic slows for a reason, too many cars for too little road space, lanes being closed, busy merges, etc. All vehicles eventually have to pass the obstruction and re-integrate into the normal flow once past it. When a jam is caused because of construction or accidents eliminating lanes the motorcycles don't generally split through the entire work/accident zone. 3 lanes into 2 or 2 lanes into 1 the motorcycle will generally sneak up to as close to the merge as possible, then get into a lane taking up a full space that could have been used by a car. For every motorcycle that passes a stopped car that car is often pushed one place further back in line and waits longer. It's no different than cutting a line at a movie or for an amusement park ride. Fuck them. Around here lane-cutting is very rare because traffic is bad and drivers guard their position. Try to cut in front of a car by splitting and be prepared to eat pavement or a guardrail. WAIT YOUR TURN LIKE A GROWN UP ASSHOLE! You're not special, I won't cut you off and take your spot and I expect the same courtesy in return.
When your stuck in traffic and can only see a limited space in front of you, I am splitting and seeing it all. There isn't congestion because of too many cars, the congestion is from too many drivers with no driving skill. Many of them on their cell phones and not paying attention. One second they are stopped with 5 feet between them and the car in front of them. 10 seconds later, the traffic is moving and they are 200 feet behind the car in front of them. At 20 MPH, they should be about 40 feet behind. Now multiply this by 100 for stop and go, then multiply it by 50% of the drivers being an idiot and you have serious congestion. I see it everyday, every where I go.
 
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sandorski

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It's not that people see lane splitting as cheating, it is cheating. In almost all places it's illegal and even where it's legal it shouldn't be. Traffic slows for a reason, too many cars for too little road space, lanes being closed, busy merges, etc. All vehicles eventually have to pass the obstruction and re-integrate into the normal flow once past it. When a jam is caused because of construction or accidents eliminating lanes the motorcycles don't generally split through the entire work/accident zone. 3 lanes into 2 or 2 lanes into 1 the motorcycle will generally sneak up to as close to the merge as possible, then get into a lane taking up a full space that could have been used by a car. For every motorcycle that passes a stopped car that car is often pushed one place further back in line and waits longer. It's no different than cutting a line at a movie or for an amusement park ride. Fuck them. Around here lane-cutting is very rare because traffic is bad and drivers guard their position. Try to cut in front of a car by splitting and be prepared to eat pavement or a guardrail. WAIT YOUR TURN LIKE A GROWN UP ASSHOLE! You're not special, I won't cut you off and take your spot and I expect the same courtesy in return.

Motorcycles don't "take a spot", in a practical sense. It seems unfair, but they are not affecting other vehicles ability to progress.
 

WelshBloke

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I think my issue with them is that there often isn't good room and their speed differential is often quite high. If I'm in a car and going 20mph (I think thats 793 kph?) and with the flow of traffic, I'm not expecting someone to lane split at 60mph. I've seen quite a few near misses around construction and on\off ramps as people have to change lanes in slow moving traffic
I'll usually edge over to make a bit of room if I see them coming but, yeah, if they turn up at high speed and you aren't expecting them it can be disconcerting!
 

BoomerD

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Motorcycles don't "take a spot", in a practical sense. It seems unfair, but they are not affecting other vehicles ability to progress.

Sure they do. They don't exist in some ethereal realm...a motorcycle behind another vehicle takes a spot...perhaps a smaller spot than a car or truck, but still...
 
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zinfamous

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It's not that people see lane splitting as cheating, it is cheating. In almost all places it's illegal and even where it's legal it shouldn't be. Traffic slows for a reason, too many cars for too little road space, lanes being closed, busy merges, etc. All vehicles eventually have to pass the obstruction and re-integrate into the normal flow once past it. When a jam is caused because of construction or accidents eliminating lanes the motorcycles don't generally split through the entire work/accident zone. 3 lanes into 2 or 2 lanes into 1 the motorcycle will generally sneak up to as close to the merge as possible, then get into a lane taking up a full space that could have been used by a car. For every motorcycle that passes a stopped car that car is often pushed one place further back in line and waits longer. It's no different than cutting a line at a movie or for an amusement park ride. Fuck them. Around here lane-cutting is very rare because traffic is bad and drivers guard their position. Try to cut in front of a car by splitting and be prepared to eat pavement or a guardrail. WAIT YOUR TURN LIKE A GROWN UP ASSHOLE! You're not special, I won't cut you off and take your spot and I expect the same courtesy in return.

It's not really too many cars for too little space...that's maybe part of it, but a very small part of it.

the problem is humans. humans don't know how to drive. each individual driver thinks only for themselves. we aren't ants. we don't work in mass-communal synchrony. it would actually be quite brilliant if we did, and traffic would honestly never exist. it just wouldn't. It's about each individual human doing their part to work as the whole...like a Man-o-war. this is impossible on the road. every single person is a essentially creating all the problems for everyone else. we all do it, even when we try not to. obviously, some are worse than others, of course.

fully automated cars, networked in one area as one giant hive, will make this happen. we could even remove lanes and barely put a dent in the number of cars in less space, and traffic still wouldn't exist in that world.
 
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