X-men: Dark Phoenix

shortylickens

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Jul 15, 2003
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Right now I think Black Widow is a better character and Scarlett Johansson is a better actress.

But I guess I'll watch this when its on television.
 

Ricochet

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Oct 31, 1999
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Sophie Turner as Jean Grey is the biggest fault of this movie. Hopefully it's not as bad as Apocalypse.
 

Sonikku

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Jun 23, 2005
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So it's like X-Men 3 but in the past? Is the original cast now ret conned out of the story or what?
 

mikeymikec

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May 19, 2011
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I wonder if Apocalypse would have been better if they'd MCU'd it, e.g. do a film for say each horseman plus additional Apocalypse backstory, then have a showdown film. It would have given more time to dedicate to building X-Men characters as well.

Since Apocalypse my enthusiasm for X-Men has dropped sharply, I think they really dropped the ball on that one by having a generic villain with a "who knows why" motivation and a plot which was as generic and over-used as could be.

Also the Phoenix storyline is one I've never been particularly enthusiastic about, and I can't say I want to revisit memories of 'The Last Stand' either.

An accomplished actress with the role of Jean Grey might have been interesting though.
 

Red Storm

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Oct 2, 2005
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How does this tie in with the older movies? Not at all? I'm confused because they had characters from the old and new movies in that one with the worst name ever (Days of Future Past or some shit).
 
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AznAnarchy99

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Dec 6, 2004
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How does this tie in with the older movies? Not at all? I'm confused because they had characters from the old and new movies in that one with the worst name ever (Days of Future Past or some shit).

They ret-conned the old movies after DOFP.
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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They ret-conned the old movies after DOFP.

...sorta but not really. It's just two different time periods and/or timelines. so...eh maybe you are right. the comic book way, hah.

the storylines are essentially still true between all of them, it's just that the new series is basically a prequel for the former series, with a handful of the characters replaced by new actors. I also don't see any suggestion that the way they are doing the new Jean Grey and Cyclops will essentially be different than the storylines from the earlier movies--it could still essentially be the exact same plots, as no origin story was actually replaced, like was done 3 times with Spider-man or the FF or whatever. ...I think the only x-related storyline that has gotten an actual do-over is Deadpool, and it seems that the first Wolverine movie is basically ignored as having ever existed in the rest of the X-Men/Wolverine stories...though I guess this all depends on how the do the Phoenix thing with this one. The original series, Prof X had long ago discovered and knew about the Phoenix, but I think that Jean Grey was much younger? I guess it wouldn't work here because I don't think any of the other X-Men knew about it in the earlier series, before it manifested. I guess they would know here....oh and of course now I recall that they showed that brief bit with Xavier and Mags meeting young Jean, and I don't think it was anything like the stuff in the current series....so I'm probably completely wrong.

the connection between the two eras is Hugh Jackman's Wolverine (though I think he is officially done?), and his storyline remains cohesive across all of the series, kinda tying them together in the different plot times that they take place.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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...sorta but not really. It's just two different time periods and/or timelines. so...eh maybe you are right. the comic book way, hah.

the storylines are essentially still true between all of them, it's just that the new series is basically a prequel for the former series, with a handful of the characters replaced by new actors. I also don't see any suggestion that the way they are doing the new Jean Grey and Cyclops will essentially be different than the storylines from the earlier movies--it could still essentially be the exact same plots, as no origin story was actually replaced, like was done 3 times with Spider-man or the FF or whatever. ...I think the only x-related storyline that has gotten an actual do-over is Deadpool, and it seems that the first Wolverine movie is basically ignored as having ever existed in the rest of the X-Men/Wolverine stories...though I guess this all depends on how the do the Phoenix thing with this one. The original series, Prof X had long ago discovered and knew about the Phoenix, but I think that Jean Grey was much younger? I guess it wouldn't work here because I don't think any of the other X-Men knew about it in the earlier series, before it manifested. I guess they would know here....oh and of course now I recall that they showed that brief bit with Xavier and Mags meeting young Jean, and I don't think it was anything like the stuff in the current series....so I'm probably completely wrong.

the connection between the two eras is Hugh Jackman's Wolverine (though I think he is officially done?), and his storyline remains cohesive across all of the series, kinda tying them together in the different plot times that they take place.
The unrated version of Deadpool 2 addresses that in the ending scenes.
 
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