X1800XT wins Quake4

[nRollo]

These benchmarks are FALSE an ATI marketing trick!



Good job on the Q4 ATI, I'm all for better performing cards no matter who makes them.

 

[dfloyd]

Quake IV sucks?

Please tell me you are just making that up and you have actually not played the game? It is so much more fun than Doom III ever dreamed of being. The graphics in it look twice as good as Doom III and the multiplayer is actually multiplayer not, several player like Doom III.

I love this game. And on my X800XL it runs like a champ. I have 1280 x 1024 with everything on HQ settings and it runs amazingly. Compared to Doom III its just so much cooler, at least imo. And no I have not beat it yet, and I do not know what the ending will be like, but I am having a blast playing it and I am still amazed at how good it looks. The lighting is just utterly amazing. It truly has the best lighting of any game on the market. Blows Fear away in how good the lighting looks.

Before you decide try to go to a friends house and play it or go to a game store and see it playing. At the very least download some HQ videos. Its been a blast so far and I dont know what the ending holds but I have been very satisfied and like some of said, theres also multiplayer to keep it going.

And can we get a heck yeah for Rollo saying what we all should say. Better performing cards no matter who makes them equals better competition, equals more choices, and will equal lower prices.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: dfloyd
Quake IV sucks?

Please tell me you are just making that up and you have actually not played the game? It is so much more fun than Doom III ever dreamed of being. The graphics in it look twice as good as Doom III and the multiplayer is actually multiplayer not, several player like Doom III.

I love this game. And on my X800XL it runs like a champ. I have 1280 x 1024 with everything on HQ settings and it runs amazingly. Compared to Doom III its just so much cooler, at least imo. And no I have not beat it yet, and I do not know what the ending will be like, but I am having a blast playing it and I am still amazed at how good it looks. The lighting is just utterly amazing. It truly has the best lighting of any game on the market. Blows Fear away in how good the lighting looks.

Before you decide try to go to a friends house and play it or go to a game store and see it playing. At the very least download some HQ videos. Its been a blast so far and I dont know what the ending holds but I have been very satisfied and like some of said, theres also multiplayer to keep it going.

And can we get a heck yeah for Rollo saying what we all should say. Better performing cards no matter who makes them equals better competition, equals more choices, and will equal lower prices.

i have a couple questions.
1. does ti run faster than doomIII or slower? I plan to play this no a 9800xt and i'd like to have it run 10x7 high, nno aa, 8x or 16x af.

2. doomIII was not good at all. horribly boring. the second half of Quake4 is supposed to be lonely too, how bad is it?

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Too bad Q4 sucks.

really? i was actually gonna go out and buy ti on monday. how is it bad?

Its EXACTLY like Doom 3, actually no....its like a patched Doom 3, with a flashlight that you can hold with some weapons, the first levels looks like the doom 3 level. I was playing it today, and my brother asked me why I was playing Doom 3 again...you'll see what I mean if you decide to buy it.

Other than it being very similar to Doom 3, it seems more fun than D3. My only complaint is my X800XL can't push Ultra Quality with AA, it handles 1024x768, Ultra Quality no AA, usually at 60fps and dips to 40-50 between fights.

 

[5150Joker]

Tried quake 4, it isn't leaps and bounds better than Doom 3 like some people here would like you to believe. In fact, the SP for FEAR was much better IMO. As for the MP, yawn, quake 3 all over again - it's not 1999 anymore, the vast majority of gamers have moved on to bigger and better things (CSS/BF2). Although id isn't completely clueless, at least they're working with the ET team to bring Quake Wars which will hopefully be a good game.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Rage187

Originally posted by: Ackmed
This quotes isnt accurate, yet.

The benchmarks we?ve presented to you today show they?ve got the fastest graphics card on the market for Quake 4.

True; market means I can walk into my locla Bestbuy and pick one up for MSRP. Getting one from an online vendor at a rediclous price doesnt count.

I dont think so. My local BB doesnt carry crap. The highest Ive seen is a 6800GT, and X800XL. As long as you can get them online, at or below MSRP thats all I care about. And the X1800XL's have dropped in price very fast. Hopefully the XT will as well.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Very nice job by ATI. Glad to see they are finally getting their OpenGL butt in gear.

Now, I would like to see the X1800XT against a 512MB 1500MHz mem GTX.
That would be kewl.

Wonder how much that would cost...

I would have to guess right around where the X1800XT MSRP will be.

 

[dfloyd]

"i have a couple questions.
1. does ti run faster than doomIII or slower? I plan to play this no a 9800xt and i'd like to have it run 10x7 high, nno aa, 8x or 16x af."

It runs a heck of alot smoother on my system than Doom III did. I run higher settings and everything runs better. Plus it looks a heck of alot better and feels alot better. As far as gameplay goes I dont think I am half way through yet but it feels so much more fun than Doom IIIs hide and seek kind of gameplay.

"2. doomIII was not good at all. horribly boring. the second half of Quake4 is supposed to be lonely too, how bad is it?"

I agree Doom III was horribly boring imo as well. I honestly dont know what the second half is like yet so I cant comment on it. I dont understand why they would change it if they do, but they may. Not played multiplayer yet, just not had time so cant comment on it, but I am guessing there will be some cool mods made for it, especially since it does not have the limitations of Doom IIIs multiplayer.

I will say the graphics seem so much better. The lighting is still so jaw dropping imo, way beyond what I saw in Doom III. Probably because there is some acutally lighting. In Doom III it was more like you want some light with your darkness.

But I would still suggest seeing if you can find a friend to play it with first or go to a game shop and try it out, that way you can be sure its something you want to play.

 

[Elfear]

That's crazy that the X1800XT even beats out the SLI'd 7800GTs at high res in Ultra mode.

 

[Nextman916]

How do they benches show such high fps if the game is capped at 60?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
2. doomIII was not good at all. horribly boring. the second half of Quake4 is supposed to be lonely too, how bad is it?

Statements like this are pointless, and mean spirited. Doom3 was my favorite game last year, and yet it was "horribly boring" to you. There are lots of people who agree with me, more who agree with you, in the end it's a matter of taste.

If you live in this country (USA) NASCAR is currently the most widely watched sport. To me, NASCAR is exactly as much fun as pulling a lawn chair up to the freeway and watching the cars go by. Does that mean millions of people don't love it, or that it's boring because I think it is.

The only music I listen to anymore is TOOL and Cracker. To you that may suck. Who's right?

Etc..

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Tried quake 4, it isn't leaps and bounds better than Doom 3 like some people here would like you to believe. In fact, the SP for FEAR was much better IMO. As for the MP, yawn, quake 3 all over again - it's not 1999 anymore, the vast majority of gamers have moved on to bigger and better things (CSS/BF2). Although id isn't completely clueless, at least they're working with the ET team to bring Quake Wars which will hopefully be a good game.

Going to disagree with you there 5150. I do NOT like BF2, COD, any of that "true war" stuff.

For me, I play games to escape reality, not enter a reality I wouldn't want to be in. To each his own.

I just have no interest in shooting a guy with my rifle, or a helicopter with a rocket.

 

[Pythias]

Originally posted by: Marshall1
Sweet! ....where again can I buy one of these cards?

:laugh: :laugh:

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: mwmorph
2. doomIII was not good at all. horribly boring. the second half of Quake4 is supposed to be lonely too, how bad is it?

Statements like this are pointless, and mean spirited. Doom3 was my favorite game last year, and yet it was "horribly boring" to you. There are lots of people who agree with me, more who agree with you, in the end it's a matter of taste.

If you live in this country (USA) NASCAR is currently the most widely watched sport. To me, NASCAR is exactly as much fun as pulling a lawn chair up to the freeway and watching the cars go by. Does that mean millions of people don't love it, or that it's boring because I think it is.

The only music I listen to anymore is TOOL and Cracker. To you that may suck. Who's right?

Etc..

um.. i didnt state it as fact. it is my opinion just like i hate nascar and i listen to late 80s rock, early 90s rap. i didnt say matter of fact doom 3 sucked, i just told him about my hate fro doom3 and it's annoyingly long no interaction shoot at anything that ,moves redux.

 

[xtknight]

Could it be because Quake 4 doesn't use as many stencil shadows as Doom 3, or does it?

edit: never mind what was previously in the bottom part of this post, I don't feel like adding fuel to the flames.

 

[johnnqq]

even though i'm ati biased, those benchmarks can't be correct. the xl scores almost exactly the same as the 6800gt...and we all know that's not possible.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Going to disagree with you there 5150. I do NOT like BF2, COD, any of that "true war" stuff.

For me, I play games to escape reality, not enter a reality I wouldn't want to be in. To each his own.

I just have no interest in shooting a guy with my rifle, or a helicopter with a rocket.

Did you buy BF2, or just play the demo? If you bought it, whats your name in-game?

I do agree that a "good" game is subjective, as anyone with common sense would. Out of the big three last year, Doom3 was the least well liked, from polls on various forums. But in the end, its user preference.

I was hoping for a decent single player from Q4, but its just not doing it for me. Multiplayer is where its going to be, if anywhere for me. If I can stop playing BF2...

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I would have to guess right around where the X1800XT MSRP will be.

While I hope you are right, I doubt it somehow. The GTX has a $600 MSRP, and the X1800XT's is what, $550 (or $500?)? I dont think lowering the 256mb GTX's price will matter for the consumer, its already well below MSRP as it is. Unless they release it about the same time as the XT's is supposed to hit the streets, the table could be turned. The XT should have a lower street price, since it would be out longer.

 

[BFG10K]

Some amazing results to be sure, I just hope there's nothing wrong with the IQ.

Glad to hear the opengl is solved

Nothing has changed with OpenGL, the memory controller programming has just been tweaked. The interesting thing is that ATi could potentially do the same in Direct3D titles and see another boost there.

Too bad Q4 sucks

I like it so far.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Nothing has changed with OpenGL

What do you mean nothing has changed? The frames have gone up dramatically, and not just in Q4. It doesnt matter how they did it, just that they have.

 

[BFG10K]

What do you mean nothing has changed?

The core driver is unchanged. The memory controller programming has changed.

I think some people are confusing the issue with some sort of OpenGL rewirite when in reality it's all about the memory controller.

 

[Ackmed]

You know that for fact? As I said, it doesnt matter how it was done, just that is has been. Or at least what sure seems to be.

 

[BFG10K]

You know that for fact?

Uh, yeah given it says so right in the article, not to mention that an OpenGL driver overwrite isn't going to happen overnight on brand new hardware like a memory management tweak can. ATi obviously made sure their controller is very flexible and easy to program when they designed it.

As I said, it doesnt matter how it was done, just that is has been.

Well that's true but that's beside the point. The point I was making is that it's not coming from an OpenGL rewrite like some people are implying.

 

[crazydingo]

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/quake_4..._performance/images/q4ultra2048sli.gif

SLI = 100% boost.

Goes to show the game isnt CPU limited.

 

[Dainas]

Well hopefully this will teach Nvidia as to why they need to get out a 512mb/1500mhz 7800, that way ATI would be compleatly out for the count till they get their R580/R600 on market. Quake 4 is a very very memory hungry game and it illustrates the deficiencies in the 7800GTX memory.


It was however stupid of Raven to make High Quality settings not even saturate a 128mb card and then have Ultra Quality jump its needs to 500mb. Thought it was alright till I changed my AA to 2xQ.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Marshall1
Sweet! ....where again can I buy one of these cards?

Ouch :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Nextman916]

HELLO?? can anyone answer my question why can they get such high fps if the game is capped at 60?????