X1900xt is dieing. Need to replace, on a budget!

SunSamurai

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Just need a point in the right direction here! PCIe! I dont care of its nvidia or ati. I'm hopeing there are some budget cads made that can give me most of the performance it has given me.


Right now I'm looking at 8600GT cards. Am I in the right place? Are these cards known to be better than their ATi counterparts or do the preform worse on average? lil help! D:

Thank u!
 

SunSamurai

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Thanks alot, Ill start to reaserch the 8800GS line. Anything on the ATi side or is the 8800GS line pretty much a bargon preformnce/price wise than whatever they have at this level?
 

HOOfan 1

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HD3850 is about the same price and performance wise...dunno if you can find a deal on it like that
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: HOOfan 1
HD3850 is about the same price and performance wise...dunno if you can find a deal on it like that

I think that 3850 is still closer to $140. It is slightly better than 8800gs but they're very close.
 

tuteja1986

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Originally posted by: aeternitas
Just need a point in the right direction here! PCIe! I dont care of its nvidia or ati. I'm hopeing there are some budget cads made that can give me most of the performance it has given me.


Right now I'm looking at 8600GT cards. Am I in the right place? Are these cards known to be better than their ATi counterparts or do the preform worse on average? lil help! D:

Thank u!

Well 8600GT is no match for a X1900xt , what you really want is a 8800GS or 3850 or even the new 3830.

this is what i recommend =
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...?Item=N82E16814102061R

Otherwise i do really recommend you get a 3870 for $169 or 8800GT 512 for $200.
 

tuteja1986

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bryanW1995

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also, 3870 doesn't automatically oc on amd based motherboards. Of course, if it did, then all 10 of the people out there with amd mobos and 3870's would probably be happy about it
 

BenSkywalker

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No its not , 3870 is faster when you turn up the resolution and AA.

Not arguing your point, but in the link you provided at 4x AA levels the 9600GT is faster at every resolution. Maybe you would rather post a different link?
 

evolucion8

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
You can get a 9600GT that will be faster than a 3870 for $149.

A bit of a budget stretch but it will be faster than your 1900 no problem.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814134038

Another nVidia biased comment from nWreckage, and without links, backup or evidence.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3235&p=4

From a performance standpoint, the Radeon HD 3870 comes out slightly ahead by outperforming the 9600 GT in one more game (and two benchmarks). The 9600 GT, although winning fewer benchmarks, manages a higher margin of victory in those games that it does win in. Performance issues in Quake Wars and Call of Duty 4 give the nod to NVIDIA, especially when you take into account a lower average selling price for the 9600 GT.

http://www.tomshardware.com/20...ce_9600_gt/page17.html

As can be seen clearly, STALKER and Age of Empires III are the exceptions: the only games for which the GeForce 9600 GT managed to edge the HD 3870. In all the other cases, the HD 3870 was fairly clearly ahead of its rival, with spreads of 13 to 15% with Call of Duty 4 and World In Conflict, and smaller ones with Unreal Tournament 3 and Supreme Commander.

The situation was reversed once the filters were enabled, even though the spreads weren't as wide. In four games, the HD 3870 kept the advantage or was only slightly behind the 9600 GT. Two games gave the card an especially strong advantage in filter mode, with a difference of more than 20%: Oblivion and Supreme Commander.

http://www.techspot.com/articl...eon-hd3870/page10.html

As you can see, based on the seven games we tested using a number of various quality settings, the performance difference between the Radeon HD 3870 and GeForce 9600 GT worked out to be very small. Each product had its ups and downs and on average the 9600 GT turned out to be less than 1% slower than the Radeon HD 3870. Those wanting to use AA/AF exclusively should note that the 9600 GT appeared to be slightly better when using these quality settings.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/14168/11

The pattern in our performance testing was unmistakable: the GeForce 9600 GT is just a little bit slower than a GeForce 8800 GT and a little bit faster than the Radeon HD 3850 and 3870. Of course, that statement needs some qualification, since we tested the 8800 GT and HD 3870 at bone-stock clocks, while the 9600 GT and HD 3850 we tested were both overclocked considerably. But the basic trends we spotted were consistent, even when we reduced the 9600 GT card to Nvidia's base clock speeds. The 9600 GT also impressed us with the lowest power draw under load of any card we tested and very low noise levels?despite its amped-up clock speeds.

I'm struggling to figure out what's not to like here. One could argue that the practical performance difference between the Radeon HD 3850 512MB and the GeForce 9600 GT in our testing was largely nil. Both cards ran most games well at common resolutions like 1680x1050, even with quality levels cranked up. Image quality between the two was comparable?and uniformly good. When there was a performance difference between them, it was usually fairly minor.

This is true enough, but the performance differences were large enough in Call of Duty 4 and Half-Life 2: Epsiode Two to distinguish the 9600 GT as the better choice.

One could also argue that the 9600 GT's strong performance today may give way to relatively weaker performance down the road. If game developers shift their attention to using more and more complex shaders, the 9600 GT could end up running tomorrow's games slower than the Radeon HD 3850, which clearly has more shader processing power.

Is not personal, just correcting your misinformation that you are giving to others. nVidia has the current high end crown, ATi is beating slighly nVidia in the midrange market, and low end market (Enjoys higher availability and better pricing), ATi has the crown in feature set overall while nVidia has the crown in the performance overall. Being biased on a company without even getting paid from them is just something that is out of context in my book. /end
 

Munky

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I think the general, non-biased consensus is that the 9600gt is roughly on par with the 3870.
 

panfist

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Originally posted by: evolucion8
One could also argue that the 9600 GT's strong performance today may give way to relatively weaker performance down the road. If game developers shift their attention to using more and more complex shaders, the 9600 GT could end up running tomorrow's games slower than the Radeon HD 3850, which clearly has more shader processing power.

No, I really don't think you can argue that the 9600GT is weak in shader power when it performs equal to or better in Crysis.
 

wbynum

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If you are happy with your x1900xt and want to save money then just pick up another x1900xt/xtx or x1950xt. They are going for around $75.
 

AzN

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Originally posted by: munky
I think the general, non-biased consensus is that the 9600gt is roughly on par with the 3870.

Somewhere between 3850 and 3870

3870 has better raw performance without the AA. With AA 9600gt does edge out. We know that ATI have had slower performance with AA ever since 2900xt. That hasn't changed much with 3000 series. Hopefully 4000 series with more shader will cure that.

9600gt has lower raw performance but can do filter good as G92GTS. Longevity? 9600gt was created with a budget in mind and isn't supposed to last.
 

AzN

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Originally posted by: HOOfan 1
8800GS for $140-$30rebate=$110

Edit: No the 8600GT will be a HUGE step down in performance from your X1900XT

This is a good card to hold over. Kind of like in between cards until next best thing comes along.

The performance is top notch and can hang with the best of them and can easily beat 9600gt in shader intensive games or in raw performance. Biggest draw back is that it's a 384mb card which can hamper performance especially with AA or games that require massive vram like Crysis. Second problem is the 192bit memory bus but can be cured with overclocking some what.
 

evolucion8

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Originally posted by: panfist
Originally posted by: evolucion8
One could also argue that the 9600 GT's strong performance today may give way to relatively weaker performance down the road. If game developers shift their attention to using more and more complex shaders, the 9600 GT could end up running tomorrow's games slower than the Radeon HD 3850, which clearly has more shader processing power.

No, I really don't think you can argue that the 9600GT is weak in shader power when it performs equal to or better in Crysis.

Hehe, I wasn't the one who said that, that was the TechReport, bear in mind that not only the shaders slow downs the performance in Crysis, because when I move the shader slide it does little in the performance in my rig, is the physics which slow down the most, even at 1920x1080 that game tends to show CPU limitation across the board. The HD 3870 with it's much higher amount of shaders are most of the time unused a la Pentium 4, not efficient at all.
 

AzN

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Originally posted by: panfist
Originally posted by: evolucion8
One could also argue that the 9600 GT's strong performance today may give way to relatively weaker performance down the road. If game developers shift their attention to using more and more complex shaders, the 9600 GT could end up running tomorrow's games slower than the Radeon HD 3850, which clearly has more shader processing power.

No, I really don't think you can argue that the 9600GT is weak in shader power when it performs equal to or better in Crysis.

Biggest drawback on 3870 still lacks in the texturing dept even to 9600gt which might have something to do with that. Not necessarily SP.
 

AzN

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Originally posted by: evolucion8
Originally posted by: panfist
Originally posted by: evolucion8
One could also argue that the 9600 GT's strong performance today may give way to relatively weaker performance down the road. If game developers shift their attention to using more and more complex shaders, the 9600 GT could end up running tomorrow's games slower than the Radeon HD 3850, which clearly has more shader processing power.

No, I really don't think you can argue that the 9600GT is weak in shader power when it performs equal to or better in Crysis.

Hehe, I wasn't the one who said that, that was the TechReport, bear in mind that not only the shaders slow downs the performance in Crysis, because when I move the shader slide it does little in the performance in my rig, is the physics which slow down the most, even at 1920x1080 that game tends to show CPU limitation across the board. The HD 3870 with it's much higher amount of shaders are most of the time unused a la Pentium 4, not efficient at all.

Well Techreport is right. 3870 or 3850 is more powerful than 9600gt in SP dept. It is evident in quite a few shader intensive games and 3dmark shader portions of the tests.

Crysis @ 1920x1080 it is video card limited especially if you run it on high.

Are you sure when you move your shader slider to high it doesn't do anything to your 1950xt? There must be a error., Shader has the biggest effect in this game.
 

evolucion8

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Originally posted by: Azn
Originally posted by: evolucion8
Originally posted by: panfist
Originally posted by: evolucion8
One could also argue that the 9600 GT's strong performance today may give way to relatively weaker performance down the road. If game developers shift their attention to using more and more complex shaders, the 9600 GT could end up running tomorrow's games slower than the Radeon HD 3850, which clearly has more shader processing power.

No, I really don't think you can argue that the 9600GT is weak in shader power when it performs equal to or better in Crysis.

Hehe, I wasn't the one who said that, that was the TechReport, bear in mind that not only the shaders slow downs the performance in Crysis, because when I move the shader slide it does little in the performance in my rig, is the physics which slow down the most, even at 1920x1080 that game tends to show CPU limitation across the board. The HD 3870 with it's much higher amount of shaders are most of the time unused a la Pentium 4, not efficient at all.

Well Techreport is right. 3870 or 3850 is more powerful than 9600gt in SP dept. It is evident in quite a few shader intensive games and 3dmark shader portions of the tests.

Crysis @ 1920x1080 it is video card limited especially if you run it on high.

Are you sure when you move your shader slider to high it doesn't do anything to your 1950xt? There must be a error., Shader has the biggest effect in this game.

The game looks better with shader on high, but the performance difference is just too minimal, even if I activate Anti Aliasing I loose about 3 to 7fps average, seems that I'm more VRAM limited than anything else, in the demo, the max fps is 39fps, min is 12 and average is 27 (Barely playable, but that's with everything on high except shadows in medium, and shader and water on very high) if I activate anti aliasing the max is 32fps, min is 6fps and average is 23fps, so I loose little fps, but the games becomes unplayable, any fps under 40fps counts in this game hehe.

 
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