In other words, both cards OC'd past 700mhz, but the xtx OC'd even higher. Whoever says the xt cant OC for sh!t is full ot it.
Actually the XT clocks well above XTX speeds. What I found was that the XTX clocks slightly higher than an XT card as to be expected for a higher binned part.
Originally posted by: Matthias99
2. Buy 7800GTX 512, have options. He can SLI, if price plummets on 512s after launch. He can sell a few days before launch, likely make a profit or break even given pricing trends. He can keep it, and have paid $150 more for a card that wins as many benches as it loses, and is half of a superior multicard setup.
Are you honestly suggesting this as a reasonable plan? The X1900XT costs ~$500-550, perfoms practically identically (and significantly better in some games), and is IMO unlikely to lose huge amounts of value in the next few months (which the 7800GTX 512MB, at its current prices, definitely is poised to do). The X1900XTX is in a more precarious position -- but then, the highest-end products always are, since there is usually little to differentiate them from lower-end cards that are slightly slower but a LOT cheaper.
If you plan to resell the 7800GTX and "make a profit or break even", you would have to time the sale VERY carefully, lest you be stuck with a card that you paid $750+ for but now nobody will consider for more than $400. I could not honestly recommend this "plan" to anyone right now; anyone seriously considering purchasing this card with the intent of using it themselves should either buy an X1900XT instead, or wait for more news or a firmer release date on G71 if you are insistent on having an NVIDIA part.
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Must have been serious because he put a negative spin on his first suggestion and a positive spin on the second. Plus there are a few flaws with both suggestions.
1) The 1900XT could also be ditched days before the G71 release so that isn't an advantage that the 512 GTX has over anything else.
2) I doubt, seriously doubt a 1900XT would loose 100 - 200 dollars in value from today to 4 weeks from now.
3) If the 512 GTX is blown away by the G71 then he paid even more ($750) for a card that isn't worth that.
I definately like Rollo but even as he admits himself, he is biased. (That is not a crime). If you are looking for a the best card today, I would seriously be looking at ATI. If you want to wait another two months, then nVidia could be king.
My response was made in regard to the 512 7800GTX itself as a commodity, not as a "bang for buck" proposition, or compared to other cards in any way.
You might be thinking "Why do that?" "
Re-sale value is a big part of this question. The OP is in the position of buying parts NOW, which is unfortunate.
We have reason to believe the 7900GTX will launch within 5 weeks, if not sooner, and may well be a much faster part than the X1900XTX. We have leaked specs a plenty, and XBit has said the part will launch the second week of March.
So, what are his options, in the framework of his original question?
1. Buy X1900XTX, may stack up well, may not. Sure to lose value between now and then. iIf it gets smacked down, he's stuck with a much slower card he paid $600 for. (or losing a hundred or two on the sale of it, after one months use)
2. Buy 7800GTX 512, have options. He can SLI, if price plummets on 512s after launch. He can sell a few days before launch, likely make a profit or break even given pricing trends. He can keep it, and have paid $150 more for a card that wins as many benches as it loses, and is half of a superior multicard setup.
When you get right down to it, his only reason to buy a X1900XTX today is that he prefers the few games it's better at to the few games the 512 GTX is better at, and puts much stock in the possibilities of HDR+AA and nature of angle independent AF.
My X1800XL will be here in a few days, I'll be looking into the differences between the AF a bit. I don't think screenshots or videos necessarily capture the differences accurately due to where the image is captured in processing, and possible image degradation by the formats you save in, or conversion to them. (in short, I want to be able to have a game up on two screens at the same time and compare)
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Creig, you can't argue with this logic. The price/performance remains to be seen on G71.
As many people have pointed out -- if you take that logic to its, uh, logical conclusion, you'll never buy anything. Whatever card is scheduled to come out a few months down the line could always be better than anything currently on the market, and what's waiting a few months for what could be a much better card, right?
If you're looking to buy a card at $500+, and you think waiting six weeks (assuming the launch date doesn't slip, plus I'm not sure this is an 'official' date yet) for a G71 card acceptable, wait. If you don't, there's nothing particularly wrong with buying an X1900, as long as you think it's worth it at its current price.
If you HAVE to have a new card now, there's also nothing stopping you from getting something like a 7800GT and then upgrading if G71 blows the doors off of everything and you have to have one. A cheaper card won't lose much value when a new uber-high-end card comes on the market, whereas a high-end card like the X1900XTX probably will.
Originally posted by: nitromullet
The way I see it, these are the OP's realistic options:
1) Buy an X1900XT(X), frag away with the current top card, and don't worry about it.
2) Wait for the G71 to see how it stacks up in comparison to the X1900's, and make a decision then.
3) I would not recommend picking up a $750 7800GTX 512 to anyone right now (if you can even fiond one)...
Originally posted by: hooflung
sheep?
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: beggerking
its because XT cannot overclock at all. So for gamers who want the absolute best performance possible they have to go with XTX. That is the only reason..
Not better value for any...IMHO
This is what we are discussing, this is patently false. This is what I am refuting based on my experience and discussions I've had with other 1900XT owners. This is not my opinion, this is a fact.
You are twisting my disagreeing with your absurd notion that the XT cannot be clocked to XTX speeds as saying the XTX is worth the extra money. I'm still struggling to grasp where this comes from.
By the way, we are still waiting for you links to your 'research'.
Originally posted by: Ackmed
So you say he called you names, and attacked you, but then you do the same thing? Thats pretty hypocritical, and just plain dumb.
btw, you're wrong about the XT's not overclocking well to XTX speeds. Generally they do.
Originally posted by: Ackmed
The lengths that some NV fans will go to even remotly suggest buying the 512MB GTX right now is hilarious.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Ackmed
The lengths that some NV fans will go to even remotly suggest buying the 512MB GTX right now is hilarious.
Similar to the lengths ATI fans will go to even remotely suggest shelling out your cash right now, without seeing what a G71 will bring in a short amount of time. ATI enthusiasts waited 5 months for the X1800XT didn't they? That is a long time. It's the OP's money, not yours or anyone elses. Waiting for the G71 is the wisest choice as of today.
Reasons:
1. If rumoured specs are accurate, the G71 "should" trounce the X1900XTX.
(Worth waiting to see)
2. In six weeks time, the price of the X1900XTX could very well drop, and if the G71 does not impress, then pick up the X1900XTX (or do you think R590 will be here by then?)
3. Worst case scenario is that the OP gets the best card for his money. Without question.
Don't give me that crap about "You might as well wait forever" and never buy a card again. If it was 6 months away, I'd say spend your money now on the card you want.
Your telling the OP to put his foot down and bite the bullet and to take a chance that the X1900XTX absolutely will not be blown away in six short weeks. That I believe would be the shortest title hold in the history of vid cards. It's easy to play with someone else's money, isn't it Ackmed? You are not doing right by the OP in what you are suggesting. None of you are who suggest the X1900XTX with another card launch so close.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Ackmed
The lengths that some NV fans will go to even remotly suggest buying the 512MB GTX right now is hilarious.
Similar to the lengths ATI fans will go to even remotely suggest shelling out your cash right now, without seeing what a G71 will bring in a short amount of time.
Originally posted by: ayabe
I know you are pulling hard to be Rollo's new lapdog.
Originally posted by: M0RPH
You misunderstood that thread. He was just saying that the XTX cards seem to overclock a bit better because they select the best cores for those cards. If you had read the thread, you would know that he overclocked the XT to 720 which is far past XTX speeds and quite a large overclock.
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Are you 12? Seriously. "He started it", that sounds like something my 7 year old would say. "will not win". is this some sort of title bout I should know about?
XT not overclocking to XTX speeds is your opinion. I see no facts to back this up. In fact, someone already posted they clocked theirs far past XTX speeds.
Originally posted by: SolMiester
Oh, what do I care, put an ATI card in your Nforce SLI mobo, your money.
Seems you cant get away from the fanboys riding rough-shot over you.
Originally posted by: beggerking
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Are you 12? Seriously. "He started it", that sounds like something my 7 year old would say. "will not win". is this some sort of title bout I should know about?
XT not overclocking to XTX speeds is your opinion. I see no facts to back this up. In fact, someone already posted they clocked theirs far past XTX speeds.
you are just here to bash me , I see.
why don't you quote what I said? you freaking prick. I said :
He started calling first w/o any reason. I was reporting results from a search and express my opinion on it, which is "XTX is not better value than XT"
Originally posted by: beggerking
Originally posted by: Cooler
Originally posted by: DoobieOnline
You can get the X1900XTX retail box for $583.95 shipped at eWiz.
wow thats one heck of a deal!
Don't see any reason getting XTX... only 50mhz faster for 100bux more..
in this case its about $50bux more, still not worth it...
XT is best value.