X1900XT/XTX or 7800GTX 512mb

[nib95]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Interesting you say that. I downloaded the TimeShift demo tonight, ran it 1680x1050, max details, 4x AAA/16x HQ AF and got 60+ fps most of the time. You don't think nVidia has driver profiles for games?

:roll:

Lol, I'm new to these forums, but I can honestly say, that is the worst rolling eyes emoticon I have ever seen! It's like he has mechanical robot eyes that kind of chug around horror movie style! :laugh:

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: nib95

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Interesting you say that. I downloaded the TimeShift demo tonight, ran it 1680x1050, max details, 4x AAA/16x HQ AF and got 60+ fps most of the time. You don't think nVidia has driver profiles for games?

:roll:

Lol, I'm new to these forums, but I can honestly say, that is the worst rolling eyes emoticon I have ever seen! It's like he has mechanical robot eyes that kind of chug around horror movie style! :laugh:

lol yeah the emoticons on this forum suck and are very limited. I don't like the software AT uses for these forums either. Wish they'd gone with Vbulletin.

 

[fierydemise]

What people keep forgetting is that none (except for FEAR) of the benchmarks really show the X1900s real power, the X1900 has alot of shader power but no games that exploit it (except for FEAR) but when those games start showing up the X1900 should have a sizable advantage (like it does in FEAR).

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
What people keep forgetting is that none (except for FEAR) of the benchmarks really show the X1900s real power, the X1900 has alot of shader power but no games that exploit it (except for FEAR) but when those games start showing up the X1900 should have a sizable advantage (like it does in FEAR).

Stop making sense. It's clear that everyone who buys a high end card must upgrade every refresh cycle and the future of gaming is irrelevant.

Original poster, If you plan to hold onto your card for a fair bit of time, the x1900xt/x will be a much better option for you.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

You're predicting that in one month that card will still have it's value? Why don't you prove it to us and buy one at $750, sell it a month from this day and make a profit.

Yep, the only reason they're still selling for large amounts on eBay is because there's some very uninformed people out there who still think it's the king of the hill.

It won't last long.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

But, if you must upgrade. People who have 1 7800GT can pass the XTX for $280 or less.

This is where your argument falls flat o its face. Because that person could sell hie current GT for $250 and now he has $530 to spend on a card.Almost enough to buy an XTX, although all he really needs is an XT for $480 and het gets to pocket 50 bucks.

You're so infatuated with the idea of SLI that you just don't get the fact that it almost never makes sense.

 

[Steelski]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: RobertR1
The justification for a 7800GTX 512 in today's market is getting more retarded by each passing post. Amazing that $750 is a "bargain" with it's replacement due in less than 6weeks.

If I wasn't lazy, I'd c/p these golden quotes and keep track of them for endless future amusement

RobertR1, if you bought one today for $750, and sold it in a month for $800-$900 as many have done, you're not a "retard".

Most call that "smart".

I would only call them lucky

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Steelski

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: RobertR1
The justification for a 7800GTX 512 in today's market is getting more retarded by each passing post. Amazing that $750 is a "bargain" with it's replacement due in less than 6weeks.

If I wasn't lazy, I'd c/p these golden quotes and keep track of them for endless future amusement

RobertR1, if you bought one today for $750, and sold it in a month for $800-$900 as many have done, you're not a "retard".

Most call that "smart".

I would only call them lucky

If you do a search of completed items for 512 GTXs, you will see that "luck" has nothing to do with it.

When they're all selling for sky high prices, it's pretty obvious people place a very high value on owning that card.

If a couple guys sold them for high prices, it would be "luck". When they all sell for high prices, supply and demand have set the price.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: RobertR1

You're predicting that in one month that card will still have it's value? Why don't you prove it to us and buy one at $750, sell it a month from this day and make a profit.

Yep, the only reason they're still selling for large amounts on eBay is because there's some very uninformed people out there who still think it's the king of the hill.

It won't last long.

Loan me your crystal ball Morph, I want to shift some investments.

 

[John Reynolds]

So the X1800s are now "disowned" by ATI, eh? Can someone explain to me why the 6.1s work just fine with them then? Will they suddenly stop working with the 6.2s or 6.3s?

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: beggerking


its because XT cannot overclock at all. So for gamers who want the absolute best performance possible they have to go with XTX. That is the only reason..

Not better value for any...IMHO

This is what we are discussing, this is patently false. This is what I am refuting based on my experience and discussions I've had with other 1900XT owners. This is not my opinion, this is a fact.

You are twisting my disagreeing with your absurd notion that the XT cannot be clocked to XTX speeds as saying the XTX is worth the extra money. I'm still struggling to grasp where this comes from.

By the way, we are still waiting for you links to your 'research'.

well, if you think my data is false, then say its false data and you are welcome to share what you know. But instead of saying what you think is true, you personally attacked me and called me name as well as accusing me of being a NV fanboy. When in fact, my argument " XTX is Not better value than XT" agrees with you since you bought an XT rather than XTX.

so calling you a prick is 100% correct as well as calling you a freaking ATI fanboy, one without any reasoning skill yet blindly accusing people of being NV fanboy.
Got ya you ****** prick

Son, you've been trolling every X1900 thread since last week, and have called several of us either pricks or ATI fanboys(or both) and follow Wreckage around snickering everytime he says 'ATI Dongle-boy'. You misquote or misread people constantly. You spout FUD non-stop and then provide evidence that either completely refutes your own argument or has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Just search your posts, I did yesterday while I was bored and trying to decipher which four letter word you used to label me with under your asterisks.

The proof is in the pudding.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I read plenty of forums and the vast majority of people that buy $350+ cards only use one. Feel free to do a poll on it if you wish. Like I told you, why waste $600 on older cards that limit your upgrade path? It's better to get a single card like the X1900XT that performs on par, costs less and can be coupled to a master card 6 months from now. If you can wait 6 months to SLI a GT for cheap, then you can likewise do the same for the XT.

Not necessarily. This is an option I looked into with my X1800XT, and it looks like the X1800 Crossfire cards just aren't dropping in price as much as the regular X1800 cards. Most of the X1800 Crossfire cards I've checked out are about the same price as X1900 Crossfire cards. This was a problem with Crossfire that a number of people have pointed out, and in one way makes it not comparable at all to SLI when considering a dual card setup as an upgrade path.

 

[Capt Caveman]

FWIW - people are smarting up and not willing to pay a bounty for a 7800GTX 512. I just listed my GTX 512 for $699 on ebay and did not get a single bid. Someone had an auction for a new card at $699 w/ Buy it Now of $749 and did not get a bid.

As some have mentioned, the GTX 512 is available in stores in Europe. If you read the eVGA forums, several hundred folks that were in the step-up program waiting list for the GTX 512 have all of a sudden have gotten their cards. The demand/price of this card has been very interesting to follow. Why people are still willing to pay sky high prices at online retailers has me baffled, I can only assume stupidity.

 

[Steelski]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Steelski

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: RobertR1
The justification for a 7800GTX 512 in today's market is getting more retarded by each passing post. Amazing that $750 is a "bargain" with it's replacement due in less than 6weeks.

If I wasn't lazy, I'd c/p these golden quotes and keep track of them for endless future amusement

RobertR1, if you bought one today for $750, and sold it in a month for $800-$900 as many have done, you're not a "retard".

Most call that "smart".

I would only call them lucky

If you do a search of completed items for 512 GTXs, you will see that "luck" has nothing to do with it.

When they're all selling for sky high prices, it's pretty obvious people place a very high value on owning that card.

If a couple guys sold them for high prices, it would be "luck". When they all sell for high prices, supply and demand have set the price.

Are you daft. thats not what i was talking about....they are lucky that this happend...ofcorse their prices are high. they are the only ones to benefit.
If Nvidia were able to produce real quantity then they would not be so happy a camper.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Steelski

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Steelski

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: RobertR1
The justification for a 7800GTX 512 in today's market is getting more retarded by each passing post. Amazing that $750 is a "bargain" with it's replacement due in less than 6weeks.

If I wasn't lazy, I'd c/p these golden quotes and keep track of them for endless future amusement

RobertR1, if you bought one today for $750, and sold it in a month for $800-$900 as many have done, you're not a "retard".

Most call that "smart".

I would only call them lucky

If you do a search of completed items for 512 GTXs, you will see that "luck" has nothing to do with it.

When they're all selling for sky high prices, it's pretty obvious people place a very high value on owning that card.

If a couple guys sold them for high prices, it would be "luck". When they all sell for high prices, supply and demand have set the price.

Are you daft. thats not what i was talking about....they are lucky that this happend...ofcorse their prices are high. they are the only ones to benefit.
If Nvidia were able to produce real quantity then they would not be so happy a camper.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then the cards would be a lot cheaper then wouldn't they silly? Daft, you say?

 

[Genx87]

I think the X1900XT is your best bang for the buck right now on the ultra highend.
512 is a nice card but soundly beat by the lesser expensive X1900.

I'd get an X1900 is I was in the process of upgrading. But I am waiting until the DX10 cards come out like G80 or R600.

 

[ayabe]

All this talk of Ebay prices and the supposed value placed on a card because of the high prices people are paying really need to be taken with a grain of salt. There are suckers born every minute and a lot of people make impulse buys and/or uninformed decisions. Some kid duped his dad into buying an FX-60 the other day because he thought windows would run 'faster' than any other dual core processor, then proceeded to pair it with a bo-bo brand PSU. There are a of underinformed consumers in the market today which is why companies have been slapping 512mb onto crap GPU's. Spending 30 seconds reading product reviews on Newegg just shows how many suckers there are in the universe.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: beggerking

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You can get the X1900XTX retail box for $583.95 shipped at eWiz.
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wow thats one heck of a deal!
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Don't see any reason getting XTX... only 50mhz faster for 100bux more..
in this case its about $50bux more, still not worth it...
XT is best value.
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Do a little research and you'll know why it may be a better value to some.
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its because XT cannot overclock at all. So for gamers who want the absolute best performance possible they have to go with XTX. That is the only reason..

Not better value for any...IMHO

This is what we are discussing, this is patently false. This is what I am refuting based on my experience and discussions I've had with other 1900XT owners. This is not my opinion, this is a fact.

You are twisting my disagreeing with your absurd notion that the XT cannot be clocked to XTX speeds as saying the XTX is worth the extra money. I'm still struggling to grasp where this comes from.

By the way, we are still waiting for you links to your 'research'.

well, if you think my data is false, then say its false data and you are welcome to share what you know. But instead of saying what you think is true, you personally attacked me and called me name as well as accusing me of being a NV fanboy. When in fact, my argument " XTX is Not better value than XT" agrees with you since you bought an XT rather than XTX.

so calling you a prick is 100% correct as well as calling you a freaking ATI fanboy, one without any reasoning skill yet blindly accusing people of being NV fanboy.
Got ya you ****** prick

Son, you've been trolling every X1900 thread since last week, and have called several of us either pricks or ATI fanboys(or both) and follow Wreckage around snickering everytime he says 'ATI Dongle-boy'. You misquote or misread people constantly. You spout FUD non-stop and then provide evidence that either completely refutes your own argument or has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Just search your posts, I did yesterday while I was bored and trying to decipher which four letter word you used to label me with under your asterisks.

The proof is in the pudding.

But you are an ATI fanboy, and your FUD on NV is nonetheless how you started flame me in this thread. Read my post in this thread and you'll see you, prick, are an ATI fanboy.

This will be my last post in this thread. I'm not going to waste my time with you anymore.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: beggerking
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But you are an ATI fanboy, and your FUD on NV is nonetheless how you started flame me in this thread. Read my post in this thread and you'll see you, prick, are an ATI fanboy.

Ok tough guy, this is the last reply you will get from me. I have not bashed Nvidia in this thread or in any other thread that I can recall. If you can back your accusation up with some proof then do it.

Your claim that the XT couldn't be overclocked was and still is false, I provided my results(which are very conservative compared to what others have gotten) to refute your argument. Your 'research' had nothing to say about the XT's not clocking to XTX speeds. This was my beef with you.

If you continue to call everyone who proves you wrong a fanboy and a prick then you aren't going to last long here. I would advise you to cease and desist or I will make this a mod issue.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Wow, you don't read. You skim. I said in a post above "with the exception of GTX512". Track Record!?! You call ONE hard launch from ATI a track record? I call that a single step in the right direction bud. Give me what you're smoking. Maybe I'll start thinking like you do.

Well, other than the 7800 launch, NVIDIA has been pretty spotty as well in the past with 'hard' launches (as has ATI). And considering NVIDIA turned around after the 7800 launch and 'hard launched' the 7800GTX "Ultra" 512MB... a lot of people are skeptical that they'll stick to their guns going forwards.

Both the X1800 and X1900 launches were pretty good -- yes, the X1800s were late, but once ATI announced the date they would be available, they stuck to it and actually had cards out there (though supplies were a little short for a few weeks). The X1900s seem to be widely available.

Basically, if you go by what has happened in the last year, NVIDIA had one good launch and one very bad launch, and ATI had one okay launch (albeit later than intended) and one good launch. Before that, both companies were very hit or miss.


Also, kids, play nice. Several people in this thread appear interested in vacation packages courtesy of the local moderators.

 

[thilanliyan]

The argument to buy a GTX 512 could have been made maybe about 2 months ago but now you can't really say it's a smart buy...EVEN just considering the economical aspect of it. In all likelihood, within 2-3 weeks of the G71 launch, no one would be willing to spend $750 for a card that could be stomped on and whose price will probably drop to below the purchase price.

The only way you could buy a GTX 512 NOW and sell it for a profit (POSSIBLY) is if you sell it immediately cause I think someone in the market for a GTX 512 probably knows about the G71 and would probably wait for it. And the only way that the price for a GTX 512 goes UP is IF the G71 performs WORSE than the GTX 512, in which case NVidia is screwed anyway. I bet even the NVidia fans wouldn't buy a GTX 512 right now and would rather wait for the G71. I can't believe people would even suggest buying the GTX 512 right now.

 

[nRollo]

In any case, I just got a 512GTX, can't wait to try it tonight.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Rollo
In any case, I just got a 512GTX, can't wait to try it tonight.

So we'll see your purchase receipt price and then when you sell it after the 7900 is released, the sale price so we can see this great profit???

 

[nts]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: Rollo
In any case, I just got a 512GTX, can't wait to try it tonight.

So we'll see your purchase receipt price and then when you sell it after the 7900 is released, the sale price so we can see this great profit???

Is this a reference GTX512 Rollo? Directly from NVIDIA?

 

[BenSkywalker]

Basically, if you go by what has happened in the last year, NVIDIA had one good launch and one very bad launch, and ATI had one okay launch (albeit later than intended) and one good launch. Before that, both companies were very hit or miss.

That has to be one of the most extreme examples of bias I have seen in a very lengthy period of time. The R520 launch was OK.....? It was half a generation late and didn't hit retail until weeks later and even then had spotty availability. How could it have gone much worse? At this stage in the game there was still 7800 512MB parts available also(comparing it to 1900)- nVidia didn't have any issues with the launch window- their major problems started happening shortly after that and have been ongoing. In terms of launching- nVidia has been firing on all cylinders for some time, ATi has pulled off one. This may change at any point in the future, but that is how it is right now.