X1900XT/XTX or 7800GTX 512mb

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: SolMiester
Yeah Cooler, the G71 is like a month away, the R590 is more like 3!

Wow, you must work for both Nvidia and ATI since you have the inside scoop on both of their schedules. :roll:

 

[SiTeS]

I already bought that motherboard

 

[Munky]

How is this even a contest? Maybe if it was between dual 7800gt's and a single x1900, we could debate it both ways. This is more like a contest between a $400 x850 xt pe, and a $280 7800gt. Even worse than that, because at least the x850's are still in stock.

 

[Steelski]

the X1900 is the better card. Besides, you say you like Nvidia, give ATI a try, you might like what they offer aswell. The GTX512 is overpriced at the moment and does not look like dropping in price anytime soon. The card has been proven to be more futureproof than the GTX and will last a long time in my oppinion (IMO as some would put it). Dont worry about it having 16 pipes, they are a lot wider than the GTX pipes. the memory should not be a worry too.
Although the G71 is going to be coming in about 8 weeks, that is not certain by any means. we have no schedule for the card at all. Dont listen to anyone who is not in to buy a card at the moment telling you to buy later because they might consider it. (unless the card is being released in a week or so). The XT/XTX cards do very very well in BF2. it will certainly be able to max out your monitor.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Steelski
the X1900 is the better card. Besides, you say you like Nvidia, give ATI a try, you might like what they offer aswell. The GTX512 is overpriced at the moment and does not look like dropping in price anytime soon.

If you can get a 512GTX for less than $750, it's underpriced. The three that sold on EBay last weekend went for $760, $900, and $960.. Some apparently place more value on them than you do, as a review of Ebay sales prices will tell you.

The card has been proven to be more futureproof than the GTX and will last a long time in my oppinion (IMO as some would put it). Dont worry about it having 16 pipes, they are a lot wider than the GTX pipes. the memory should not be a worry too.

Nonsense. No card is future proof. The X1900s have proven they are significantly faster in a couple games, 512 GTXs are significantly faster in a couple others, and that is all we can speculate from current results unless we're programmers running demos of our upcoming games.

Although the G71 is going to be coming in about 8 weeks, that is not certain by any means. we have no schedule for the card at all. Dont listen to anyone who is not in to buy a card at the moment telling you to buy later because they might consider it. (unless the card is being released in a week or so). The XT/XTX cards do very very well in BF2. it will certainly be able to max out your monitor.

Any rumors we have seen say the G71 is coming the second week of March, which is 5 weeks by my count, not 8.
What does he lose out on by waiting 5 weeks? He apparently has a card as we see his posts here.

$500-$600 is a lot of money to most people. Ask the people who paid $600+ for X1800XTs only to see them trumped a few weeks later.

SLI is NOT an insignificant part of this equation. The gains in a couple games and "future proofness" do not outweigh the ability to choose SLI IMO. (not to mention the losses in other games with X1900)

If he goes X1900, find out it's lame for Unreal 3 and UT2007, he is stuck. With the 512GTX, he can add another and rock it.

OP, as much as people would like you to think there is no reason to even consider the 512 GTX, there is.

 

[Keysplayr]

OP: Ask yourself this question and try your best to anwer it truthfully.

If you bought an X1900XT/XTX now, and you should be very happy with the performance, then the 7900GTX appears and anihilates your brand new card in just 5 to 6 weeks. How are you going to feel about that?

1. You will have buyers remorse because you only enjoyed the top end for 6 weeks?
2. You would be perfectly happy with your X1900XT/XTX and would not shed a tear.

These are really the only two answers you "should" have. Pick one.

6 months, I can understand not waiting. 6 weeks, I can't understand not waiting.

A lot of people use the term "around the corner" in different ways. R590 for example, is the exact same card as the X1900's, just die shrunk to 80nm instead of current 90nm. This "usually" means lower power consumption and higher clocks. But not always as much as we think.

 

[tuteja1986]

x1900xt :! you will be happy and it wil play future game perfectly :! or you can wait and see. Don't expect ATI to watch as G71 goes for the kill as they have a card for counter attack.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
If you can get a 512GTX for less than $750, it's underpriced. The three that sold on EBay last weekend went for $760, $900, and $960.. Some apparently place more value on them than you do, as a review of Ebay sales prices will tell you.

When you can get an overall faster X1900XT for $500-$550, a $750-$960 512GTX is OVERPRICED no matter how many people are willing to pay that much for one. The only scenario I can possibly think of where somebody would conceivably pay that much is if they already own one and want to go SLI. Otherwise, it's a poor value compared to the X1900XT/XTX.

 

[Dman877]

If you buy a 1900XT right now, the drivers are gonna suck and you'll probably experience some problems getting the thing to even work but in the next month or so, expect some big gains in both performance and stability with new driver updates.

 

[Zbox]

i just switched from 7800gtx-256 to a x1900xt and have regretted the switch for multiple reasons. i swear performance in WoW is far below what my 7800gtx pulled off. the only drivers available right now are buggy with BF2; the game just doesnt look right. the card also makes insane electrical noise while under stress aside from increasing my 3dmark epeen score, this card has done absolutely nothing but cause frustration

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
OP: Ask yourself this question and try your best to anwer it truthfully.

If you bought an X1900XT/XTX now, and you should be very happy with the performance, then the 7900GTX appears and anihilates your brand new card in just 5 to 6 weeks. How are you going to feel about that?

1. You will have buyers remorse because you only enjoyed the top end for 6 weeks?
2. You would be perfectly happy with your X1900XT/XTX and would not shed a tear.

These are really the only two answers you "should" have. Pick one.

6 months, I can understand not waiting. 6 weeks, I can't understand not waiting.

A lot of people use the term "around the corner" in different ways. R590 for example, is the exact same card as the X1900's, just die shrunk to 80nm instead of current 90nm. This "usually" means lower power consumption and higher clocks. But not always as much as we think.

That scenario relies on a lot of assumptions:

1. that the 7900 will obliterate the X1900xtx
2. That it will actually be available to purchase in 6 weeks.
3. That it will be competitively priced with the X1900xtx.
4. That the R590 wont re-take they performance crown.

At this point we have nothing but speculation as to when the 7900 will be released, how fast it will be and at what price.

If your going to wait for the G71 you might as well wait for the G80/R600. There is always something better around the corner. You can play the waiting game forever.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Zbox
i just switched from 7800gtx-256 to a x1900xt and have regretted the switch for multiple reasons. i swear performance in WoW is far below what my 7800gtx pulled off. the only drivers available right now are buggy with BF2; the game just doesnt look right. the card also makes insane electrical noise while under stress aside from increasing my 3dmark epeen score, this card has done absolutely nothing but cause frustration

In regard to the electrical noise, have you considered it might be an issue with your power supply?

 

[Zbox]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

In regard to the electrical noise, have you considered it might be an issue with your power supply?

I've thought about it, I recently replaced my 600w seasonic with a 500w enermax liberty. I know it was a step down, but I wanted to go modular. Possible I suppose, but I really doubt that the issue is with the PSU :/

 

[n7]

X1900XT would be my choice of those three.

 

[WRXpilot]

Originally posted by: Rollo
SLI is NOT an insignificant part of this equation. The gains in a couple games and "future proofness" do not outweigh the ability to choose SLI IMO. (not to mention the losses in other games with X1900)

If he goes X1900, find out it's lame for Unreal 3 and UT2007, he is stuck. With the 512GTX, he can add another and rock it.

Forgive my n00b intrustion, but...

Either way, this plan sticks him with buying another vid card, right?

Why then not just buy the cheaper, arguably faster, card now?

When an upgrade is needed/desired, just go buy the fastest single card again.

If you're going to be constantly buying new video cards, might as well own the latest every time, rather than doubling your investment in an "obsolete" card months later. I've never understood the appeal of SLI for this reason.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: WRXpilot

Originally posted by: Rollo
SLI is NOT an insignificant part of this equation. The gains in a couple games and "future proofness" do not outweigh the ability to choose SLI IMO. (not to mention the losses in other games with X1900)

If he goes X1900, find out it's lame for Unreal 3 and UT2007, he is stuck. With the 512GTX, he can add another and rock it.

Forgive my n00b intrustion, but...

Either way, this plan sticks him with buying another vid card, right?

Why then not just buy the cheaper, arguably faster, card now?

When an upgrade is needed/desired, just go buy the fastest single card again.

If you're going to be constantly buying new video cards, might as well own the latest every time, rather than doubling your investment in an "obsolete" card months later. I've never understood the appeal of SLI for this reason.

A voice of reason. That's refreshing. Thanks.

 

[deadseasquirrel]

SiTes, you already have most of your parts arriving now. It's probably not feasible to wait until the upcoming nVidia release of new cards. I would grab a mid-range video card such as the 7800GT (used even) to play with (or an 1800XL if they're at 300 or below now). Chances are good that the GT (and XL) will keep its resale value pretty well if you decide to upgrade in another 2 months (as opposed to any of the high-end cards). My thought is to see how AA and BF2 play on your new system with a GT. I didn't see you mention what monitor you use. It's pretty important, since, in many cases, these cards offer similar framerates at 1280x1024.

 

[DoobieOnline]

You can get the X1900XTX retail box for $583.95 shipped at eWiz.

 

[Munky]

How is SLI an argument for the gtx512? If anyone was dumb enough to buy one of those overpriced cards now that a faster and cheaper single card is out, it would be even dumber to buy 2 of the overpriced ones. The supply is still short, the prices are still sky high, and it doesnt seem to be moving to a reasonable supply and price even after the launch of the x1900. My prediction is that the gtx512 will be phased out once the 7900 is launched, without any significant increase in supply or decrease in price.

 

[nitromullet]

If you can get a 512GTX for less than $750, it's underpriced. The three that sold on EBay last weekend went for $760, $900, and $960.. Some apparently place more value on them than you do, as a review of Ebay sales prices will tell you.

C'mon... I've backed you up on a number of your less than popular stances, and will continue to do so when you make sense... this statement is just silly though...

$500-$600 is a lot of money to most people. Ask the people who paid $600+ for X1800XTs only to see them trumped a few weeks later.

Why would he need to do that when you've already done it, and the vast majority of X1800XT owners (myself included) responded that they didn't feel all that bad about it?

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1791724&enterthread=y

SLI is NOT an insignificant part of this equation. The gains in a couple games and "future proofness" do not outweigh the ability to choose SLI IMO. (not to mention the losses in other games with X1900)

I agree with that. If you have an SLI motherboard, it makes sense to have a nvidia card.

OP, as much as people would like you to think there is no reason to even consider the 512 GTX, there is.

Not now, there really is not a compelling reason. The 7800GTX 512 is just too expensive in comparison to the X1900XT. The best advice is to wait and see what G71 brings. I know there is always something around the corner, and sometimes you just have to decide on what you want. Other times it makes sense to wait, right now is one of those times. However, if someone has to absolutely positively get a video card now, the X1900XT(X) would be your best bet.

 

[John Reynolds]

If a 512 MB GTX had sold on eBay last week for $1500, a certain someone would claim that finding one for $1200 was a valued underpricing for the part, a real deal. You just gotta admire that level of fuckwittery, the willingness to twist logic and rational thought so far out of shape.

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: DoobieOnline
You can get the X1900XTX retail box for $583.95 shipped at eWiz.

wow thats one heck of a deal!

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: DoobieOnline
You can get the X1900XTX retail box for $583.95 shipped at eWiz.

wow thats one heck of a deal!

Don't see any reason getting XTX... only 50mhz faster for 100bux more..
in this case its about $50bux more, still not worth it...
XT is best value.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: John Reynolds
If a 512 MB GTX had sold on eBay last week for $1500, a certain someone would claim that finding one for $1200 was a valued underpricing for the part, a real deal. You just gotta admire that level of fuckwittery, the willingness to twist logic and rational thought so far out of shape.

I actually just admire the use of the term "fuckwittery". :beer:

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: DoobieOnline
You can get the X1900XTX retail box for $583.95 shipped at eWiz.

wow thats one heck of a deal!

Don't see any reason getting XTX... only 50mhz faster for 100bux more..
in this case its about $50bux more, still not worth it...
XT is best value.

Do a little research and you'll know why it may be a better value to some.