X1900XT/XTX or 7800GTX 512mb

[RobertR1]

The justification for a 7800GTX 512 in today's market is getting more retarded by each passing post. Amazing that $750 is a "bargain" with it's replacement due in less than 6weeks.

If I wasn't lazy, I'd c/p these golden quotes and keep track of them for endless future amusement

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

If you can get a 512GTX for less than $750, it's underpriced. The three that sold on EBay last weekend went for $760, $900, and $960.. Some apparently place more value on them than you do, as a review of Ebay sales prices will tell you.

C'mon... I've backed you up on a number of your less than popular stances, and will continue to do so when you make sense... this statement is just silly though...

Nitro-
What I said made perfect sense. Steelski said

The GTX512 is overpriced at the moment and does not look like dropping in price anytime soon.

My response was made in regard to the 512 7800GTX itself as a commodity, not as a "bang for buck" proposition, or compared to other cards in any way.

You might be thinking "Why do that?" "

Re-sale value is a big part of this question. The OP is in the position of buying parts NOW, which is unfortunate.

We have reason to believe the 7900GTX will launch within 5 weeks, if not sooner, and may well be a much faster part than the X1900XTX. We have leaked specs a plenty, and XBit has said the part will launch the second week of March.

So, what are his options, in the framework of his original question?

1. Buy X1900XTX, may stack up well, may not. Sure to lose value between now and then. iIf it gets smacked down, he's stuck with a much slower card he paid $600 for. (or losing a hundred or two on the sale of it, after one months use)

2. Buy 7800GTX 512, have options. He can SLI, if price plummets on 512s after launch. He can sell a few days before launch, likely make a profit or break even given pricing trends. He can keep it, and have paid $150 more for a card that wins as many benches as it loses, and is half of a superior multicard setup.

When you get right down to it, his only reason to buy a X1900XTX today is that he prefers the few games it's better at to the few games the 512 GTX is better at, and puts much stock in the possibilities of HDR+AA and nature of angle independent AF.

My X1800XL will be here in a few days, I'll be looking into the differences between the AF a bit. I don't think screenshots or videos necessarily capture the differences accurately due to where the image is captured in processing, and possible image degradation by the formats you save in, or conversion to them. (in short, I want to be able to have a game up on two screens at the same time and compare)

$500-$600 is a lot of money to most people. Ask the people who paid $600+ for X1800XTs only to see them trumped a few weeks later.

Why would he need to do that when you've already done it, and the vast majority of X1800XT owners (myself included) responded that they didn't feel all that bad about it?

However, some felt duped and cheated. You, and perhaps me, are not typical video card buyers in that we'll sometimes buy out of curiosity, or just for the fun of it. To some people, it's a very big deal to lose a couple hundred in value within a few weeks, or have their best of class card looking like old news in a few weeks.

SLI is NOT an insignificant part of this equation. The gains in a couple games and "future proofness" do not outweigh the ability to choose SLI IMO. (not to mention the losses in other games with X1900)

I agree with that. If you have an SLI motherboard, it makes sense to have a nvidia card.

He does have an SLI motherboard, so we agree.

OP, as much as people would like you to think there is no reason to even consider the 512 GTX, there is.

Not now, there really is not a compelling reason. The 7800GTX 512 is just too expensive in comparison to the X1900XT. The best advice is to wait and see what G71 brings.

This I agree with, five weeks is not a long time, given how long he'll likely own the card.

I know there is always something around the corner, and sometimes you just have to decide on what you want. Other times it makes sense to wait, right now is one of those times. However, if someone has to absolutely positively get a video card now, the X1900XT(X) would be your best bet.

There's no two ways about it, the X1900XTX and X1900XT are the best single card value out right now.

However, he seems to be building a very high end rig with high quality components, and in 5 weeks (less?) the X1900s might look pretty sad. Time will tell.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: John Reynolds
If a 512 MB GTX had sold on eBay last week for $1500, a certain someone would claim that finding one for $1200 was a valued underpricing for the part, a real deal. You just gotta admire that level of fuckwittery, the willingness to twist logic and rational thought so far out of shape.

I actually just admire the use of the term "fuckwittery". :beer:

I don't. It was childish and vulgar. John should have learned more about civilized social discourse while picking up his liberal arts degrees.

Me giving the advice that's it's not unwise to pay $750 retail for something people have been buying used for $800-$1000 for the last couple months hardly warranted exposing kids to obscenity.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
The justification for a 7800GTX 512 in today's market is getting more retarded by each passing post. Amazing that $750 is a "bargain" with it's replacement due in less than 6weeks.

If I wasn't lazy, I'd c/p these golden quotes and keep track of them for endless future amusement

RobertR1, if you bought one today for $750, and sold it in a month for $800-$900 as many have done, you're not a "retard".

Most call that "smart".

 

[Matthias99]

2. Buy 7800GTX 512, have options. He can SLI, if price plummets on 512s after launch. He can sell a few days before launch, likely make a profit or break even given pricing trends. He can keep it, and have paid $150 more for a card that wins as many benches as it loses, and is half of a superior multicard setup.

Are you honestly suggesting this as a reasonable plan? The X1900XT costs ~$500-550, perfoms practically identically (and significantly better in some games), and is IMO unlikely to lose huge amounts of value in the next few months (which the 7800GTX 512MB, at its current prices, definitely is poised to do). The X1900XTX is in a more precarious position -- but then, the highest-end products always are, since there is usually little to differentiate them from lower-end cards that are slightly slower but a LOT cheaper.

If you plan to resell the 7800GTX and "make a profit or break even", you would have to time the sale VERY carefully, lest you be stuck with a card that you paid $750+ for but now nobody will consider for more than $400. I could not honestly recommend this "plan" to anyone right now; anyone seriously considering purchasing this card with the intent of using it themselves should either buy an X1900XT instead, or wait for more news or a firmer release date on G71 if you are insistent on having an NVIDIA part.

 

[Munky]

LOL. Well, if he buys a gtx512 for $750 and then sells it to some sucker 2 days before the g71 launch for an equal or greater price, then it's the only way he can win by getting a gtx512. It's a risky proposition, but probably has a higher chance of success than the gtx512 coming down in price and increased availability. But I'd sure like to see what he has to say if he takes that advice and a month later nobody will want to buy it from him :laugh:

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: DoobieOnline
You can get the X1900XTX retail box for $583.95 shipped at eWiz.

wow thats one heck of a deal!

Don't see any reason getting XTX... only 50mhz faster for 100bux more..
in this case its about $50bux more, still not worth it...
XT is best value.

Do a little research and you'll know why it may be a better value to some.

its because XT cannot overclock at all. So for gamers who want the absolute best performance possible they have to go with XTX. That is the only reason..

Not better value for any...IMHO

 

[Elfear]

I love the "Let's wait and see what G71 brings" crowd. As has been pointed out numerous times if you wait for the next best thing you'll always be waiting. People argue that the OP will be disappointed if he buys an X1900XT and than the G71 comes out and smokes it. Well don't you think he'd be just as disappointed if he waited 6-8 weeks for the G71 only to have it trumped a few weeks after that by R590? The cycle goes on and on. There will always be a better card around the corner. Sometimes it makes sense to wait if the next card is coming out VERY soon, but otherwise you'll always be waiting for the next big thing.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
If you can get a 512GTX for less than $750, it's underpriced.

Originally posted by: Rollo
$500-$600 is a lot of money to most people. Ask the people who paid $600+ for X1800XTs only to see them trumped a few weeks later.

Isn't $750-$960 a lot of money for most people to spend on a slower 7800GTX 512 only to see it trumped a few weeks later?

 

[Makaveli]

I agree that is why SLI or Crossfire will never be in my system.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: RobertR1
The justification for a 7800GTX 512 in today's market is getting more retarded by each passing post. Amazing that $750 is a "bargain" with it's replacement due in less than 6weeks.

If I wasn't lazy, I'd c/p these golden quotes and keep track of them for endless future amusement

RobertR1, if you bought one today for $750, and sold it in a month for $800-$900 as many have done, you're not a "retard".

Most call that "smart".

No it just means there is somebody more retarded then yourself .

NVidia should seriously hire you for their marketing dept (assuming they haven't already). I it takes balls to try to convince somebody they should spend more money for an inferior product based on a baffling amalgamation of psuedo economic theory and what's essentially brand loyalty.

 

[Makaveli]

And beggerking, care to show any proof of X1900XT's being poor overclockers.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: DoobieOnline
You can get the X1900XTX retail box for $583.95 shipped at eWiz.

wow thats one heck of a deal!

Don't see any reason getting XTX... only 50mhz faster for 100bux more..
in this case its about $50bux more, still not worth it...
XT is best value.

Do a little research and you'll know why it may be a better value to some.

its because XT cannot overclock at all. So for gamers who want the absolute best performance possible they have to go with XTX. That is the only reason..

Not better value for any...IMHO

Here you go, FUD'ing up the forum again. FYI the XT and XTX are exactly the same except for the BIOS.

My XT clocks to 690/790 with stock cooler on stock volts.

Stop spreading disinformation, your 'truthiness' isn't welcome here.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ZimZum

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
OP: Ask yourself this question and try your best to anwer it truthfully.

If you bought an X1900XT/XTX now, and you should be very happy with the performance, then the 7900GTX appears and anihilates your brand new card in just 5 to 6 weeks. How are you going to feel about that?

1. You will have buyers remorse because you only enjoyed the top end for 6 weeks?
2. You would be perfectly happy with your X1900XT/XTX and would not shed a tear.

These are really the only two answers you "should" have. Pick one.

6 months, I can understand not waiting. 6 weeks, I can't understand not waiting.

A lot of people use the term "around the corner" in different ways. R590 for example, is the exact same card as the X1900's, just die shrunk to 80nm instead of current 90nm. This "usually" means lower power consumption and higher clocks. But not always as much as we think.

That scenario relies on a lot of assumptions:

1. that the 7900 will obliterate the X1900xtx
2. That it will actually be available to purchase in 6 weeks.
3. That it will be competitively priced with the X1900xtx.
4. That the R590 wont re-take they performance crown.

At this point we have nothing but speculation as to when the 7900 will be released, how fast it will be and at what price.

If your going to wait for the G71 you might as well wait for the G80/R600. There is always something better around the corner. You can play the waiting game forever.

You're exactly right. All we can do is assume right now. So, why not wait the six weeks? If the 7900GTX fails to impress, there will still be X1900's for sale and most likely cheaper than they are right now. So, it's WIN-WIN to wait and see. It's not like it's a half a year off.

BTW, if the R580 goes 80nm (R590), why then wouldn't the G71? (G75?)

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: RobertR1
The justification for a 7800GTX 512 in today's market is getting more retarded by each passing post. Amazing that $750 is a "bargain" with it's replacement due in less than 6weeks.

If I wasn't lazy, I'd c/p these golden quotes and keep track of them for endless future amusement

RobertR1, if you bought one today for $750, and sold it in a month for $800-$900 as many have done, you're not a "retard".

Most call that "smart".

No it just means there is somebody more retarded then yourself .

NVidia should seriously hire you for their marketing dept (assuming they haven't already). I it takes balls to try to convince somebody they should spend more money for an inferior product based on a baffling amalgamation of psuedo economic theory and what's essentially brand loyalty.

It doesn't take balls, it takes influence and incentives to vehemently promote such fallacies.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Elfear
I love the "Let's wait and see what G71 brings" crowd. As has been pointed out numerous times if you wait for the next best thing you'll always be waiting. People argue that the OP will be disappointed if he buys an X1900XT and than the G71 comes out and smokes it. Well don't you think he'd be just as disappointed if he waited 6-8 weeks for the G71 only to have it trumped a few weeks after that by R590? The cycle goes on and on. There will always be a better card around the corner. Sometimes it makes sense to wait if the next card is coming out VERY soon, but otherwise you'll always be waiting for the next big thing.

Not trying to offend you, but, DUH? (for what's in bold above)

How is it that you know that the G71 won't start right off with 80nm? Everybody doesn't believe all the other specs about G71. So what's different about this? TSMC is using the 80nm production process NOW. Perfect time for G71. You never know. We might see those high clocks that everyone doubts after all, or maybe higher. I'd say it's worth waiting for.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: DoobieOnline
You can get the X1900XTX retail box for $583.95 shipped at eWiz.

wow thats one heck of a deal!

Don't see any reason getting XTX... only 50mhz faster for 100bux more..
in this case its about $50bux more, still not worth it...
XT is best value.

Do a little research and you'll know why it may be a better value to some.

its because XT cannot overclock at all. So for gamers who want the absolute best performance possible they have to go with XTX. That is the only reason..

Not better value for any...IMHO

Here you go, FUD'ing up the forum again. FYI the XT and XTX are exactly the same except for the BIOS.

My XT clocks to 690/790 with stock cooler on stock volts.

Stop spreading disinformation, your 'truthiness' isn't welcome here.

I searched and this is what I found out. I was only reporting what I've found on net, is that XT cannot overclock to XTX speed, so the only way to get XTX speed is getting XTX, as someone was suspecting XTX is actually cherry picked core.

your rudeness is not welcome here as well. So I see you disagree with me. If you think XTX is so much better. Why the F*** you get an XT?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Rollo
If you can get a 512GTX for less than $750, it's underpriced.

Originally posted by: Rollo
$500-$600 is a lot of money to most people. Ask the people who paid $600+ for X1800XTs only to see them trumped a few weeks later.

Isn't $750-$960 a lot of money for most people to spend on a slower 7800GTX 512 only to see it trumped a few weeks later?

Look, can we just forget about the GTX512 please? I'ts too expensive to buy and keep, IF you can find one. OP: forget about the GTX512 unless you can get it for @750.00 and put it up on ebay after a little playtime. Wait for the G71, then make an informed purchase.
Creig, you can't argue with this logic. The price/performance remains to be seen on G71.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Creig, you can't argue with this logic. The price/performance remains to be seen on G71.

As many people have pointed out -- if you take that logic to its, uh, logical conclusion, you'll never buy anything. Whatever card is scheduled to come out a few months down the line could always be better than anything currently on the market, and what's waiting a few months for what could be a much better card, right?

If you're looking to buy a card at $500+, and you think waiting six weeks (assuming the launch date doesn't slip, plus I'm not sure this is an 'official' date yet) for a G71 card acceptable, wait. If you don't, there's nothing particularly wrong with buying an X1900, as long as you think it's worth it at its current price.

If you HAVE to have a new card now, there's also nothing stopping you from getting something like a 7800GT and then upgrading if G71 blows the doors off of everything and you have to have one. A cheaper card won't lose much value when a new uber-high-end card comes on the market, whereas a high-end card like the X1900XTX probably will.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: DoobieOnline
You can get the X1900XTX retail box for $583.95 shipped at eWiz.

wow thats one heck of a deal!

Don't see any reason getting XTX... only 50mhz faster for 100bux more..
in this case its about $50bux more, still not worth it...
XT is best value.

Do a little research and you'll know why it may be a better value to some.

its because XT cannot overclock at all. So for gamers who want the absolute best performance possible they have to go with XTX. That is the only reason..

Not better value for any...IMHO

Here you go, FUD'ing up the forum again. FYI the XT and XTX are exactly the same except for the BIOS.

My XT clocks to 690/790 with stock cooler on stock volts.

Stop spreading disinformation, your 'truthiness' isn't welcome here.

I searched and this is what I found out. I was only reporting what I've found on net, is that XT cannot overclock to XTX speed, so the only way to get XTX speed is getting XTX, as someone was suspecting XTX is actually cherry picked core.

your rudeness is not welcome here as well. So I see you disagree with me. If you think XTX is so much better. Why the F*** you get an XT?

WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT I THINK THE XTX is better, this is the second time this week that you try to back your own argument up by putting words into people's mouths, you did it to Ackmed and you're trying to do it to me now. 82.29% of what you have posted since you've joined AT is total BS.

Where is this info you've found on the net about the XT not clocking to XTX speeds?

I know you are pulling hard to be Rollo's new lapdog, but I doubt he appreciates you disgracing the NV faction on these forums with constantly flawed logic and total BS posts.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: DoobieOnline
You can get the X1900XTX retail box for $583.95 shipped at eWiz.

wow thats one heck of a deal!

Don't see any reason getting XTX... only 50mhz faster for 100bux more..
in this case its about $50bux more, still not worth it...
XT is best value.

Do a little research and you'll know why it may be a better value to some.

its because XT cannot overclock at all. So for gamers who want the absolute best performance possible they have to go with XTX. That is the only reason..

Not better value for any...IMHO

Here you go, FUD'ing up the forum again. FYI the XT and XTX are exactly the same except for the BIOS.

My XT clocks to 690/790 with stock cooler on stock volts.

Stop spreading disinformation, your 'truthiness' isn't welcome here.

I searched and this is what I found out. I was only reporting what I've found on net, is that XT cannot overclock to XTX speed, so the only way to get XTX speed is getting XTX, as someone was suspecting XTX is actually cherry picked core.

your rudeness is not welcome here as well. So I see you disagree with me. If you think XTX is so much better. Why the F*** you get an XT?

Actually the XT clocks well above XTX speeds. What I found was that the XTX clocks slightly higher than an XT card as to be expected for a higher binned part.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: DoobieOnline
You can get the X1900XTX retail box for $583.95 shipped at eWiz.

wow thats one heck of a deal!

Don't see any reason getting XTX... only 50mhz faster for 100bux more..
in this case its about $50bux more, still not worth it...
XT is best value.

Do a little research and you'll know why it may be a better value to some.

its because XT cannot overclock at all. So for gamers who want the absolute best performance possible they have to go with XTX. That is the only reason..

Not better value for any...IMHO

Here you go, FUD'ing up the forum again. FYI the XT and XTX are exactly the same except for the BIOS.

My XT clocks to 690/790 with stock cooler on stock volts.

Stop spreading disinformation, your 'truthiness' isn't welcome here.

I searched and this is what I found out. I was only reporting what I've found on net, is that XT cannot overclock to XTX speed, so the only way to get XTX speed is getting XTX, as someone was suspecting XTX is actually cherry picked core.

your rudeness is not welcome here as well. So I see you disagree with me. If you think XTX is so much better. Why the F*** you get an XT?

WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT I THINK THE XTX is better, this is the second time this week that you try to back your own argument up by putting words into people's mouths, you did it to Ackmed and you're trying to do it to me now. 82.29% of what you have posted since you've joined AT is total BS.

Where is this info you've found on the net about the XT not clocking to XTX speeds?

I know you are pulling hard to be Rollo's new lapdog, but I doubt he appreciates you disgracing the NV faction on these forums with constantly flawed logic and total BS posts.

highlighted part is how you accuse me of misinformation. When did I do that? I was told to do a search and I was reporting on what I found out. I even put IMHO when I say XTX is not worth the extra money over XT <=== this is my opinion

the only part that is arguable is my OPINION as everything else are FACTS from searching the net. so you disagree with my opinion = you think XTX is worth the extra money, so you did imply that conclusion.

WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT I THINK THE XTX is better, this is the second time this week that you try to back your own argument up by putting words into people's mouths, you did it to Ackmed and you're trying to do it to me now. 82.29% of what you have posted since you've joined AT is total BS.

well, its my opinion, and I think your opinion is ****** BS too. the point is, its subject you prick.

I know you are pulling hard to be Rollo's new lapdog, but I doubt he appreciates you disgracing the NV faction on these forums with constantly flawed logic and total BS posts.

what the ****** are you freaking talking about. where did I mention NV anywhere in the post? you are the one posting bs.

 

[5150Joker]

Look what I came across: http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/6344/poornvidiacustomer7ri.jpg

 

[John Reynolds]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I don't. It was childish and vulgar. John should have learned more about civilized social discourse while picking up his liberal arts degrees.

Me giving the advice that's it's not unwise to pay $750 retail for something people have been buying used for $800-$1000 for the last couple months hardly warranted exposing kids to obscenity.

THINK OF THE CHITLINS!!!!!!

Rollo: protecting your children one trolled BBS at a time.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: beggerking


its because XT cannot overclock at all. So for gamers who want the absolute best performance possible they have to go with XTX. That is the only reason..

Not better value for any...IMHO

This is what we are discussing, this is patently false. This is what I am refuting based on my experience and discussions I've had with other 1900XT owners. This is not my opinion, this is a fact.

You are twisting my disagreeing with your absurd notion that the XT cannot be clocked to XTX speeds as saying the XTX is worth the extra money. I'm still struggling to grasp where this comes from.

By the way, we are still waiting for you links to your 'research'.